Lehinan RTE: We never promised jobs

free-man

When asked this morning ""Was it he promise of jobs that swung the vote to a Yes"

Lenihan responded:

"We never promised jobs as a result of a Yes vote"

lisbon-yes1.jpg

I just want to point out the hypocrisy of this statement. I'd ask posters to keep on topic and would not expect this thread to be locked / deleted or closed.

My name is URL

The Yes voters will say it's true.. nothing was promised

but nobody 'promised' a 1.84 minimum wage either

It's plainly obvious that the Yes for Jobs posters were hugely misleading, and it's horrible that people won't admit to it

Hootanany

A disgrace we should storm the Dail i had enough

spongeman

But so much of the country fell for it.

ei.sdraob

Hootanany wrote: »

A disgrace we should storm the Dail i had enough

of yee go

most people on the YES side dont like FF either

but we can tell our potatoes from tomatoes

free-man

ei.sdraob wrote: »

of yee go

most people on the YES side dont like FF either

but we can tell our potatoes from tomatoes

Any chance of Fianna Fail being pressured to step down now are virtually nil.
Glad you can tell potatoes from tomatoes though

PaulieD

ei.sdraob wrote: »

of yee go

most people on the YES side dont like FF either

but we can tell our potatoes from tomatoes

A Yes vote has secured Brian Cowen and Fianna Fail will stay in power until 2012 and Nama will now pass. A Yes vote will do nothing, absolutely nothing, to help solve our economic woes.

As for Yes for jobs. Laughable. After tax harmonisation, expect a mass exodus of multinationals to eastern europe.

You were warned.

oscarBravo

We've had this thread. And free-man, if you want a moderator job, fill in the appropriate forms like everyone else.

oscarBravo

Thread re-opened. Don't make me regret it.

Fuhrer

PaulieD wrote: »

After tax harmonisation, expect a mass exodus of multinationals to eastern europe.

You were warned.

After the third world war, id imagine lots of people will die.


Why do I bring this up? Because like your point about Tax Harmonisation, it has nothing to do with Lisbon at all.

PaulieD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sED3iApAvE

Surely the people were misinformed, they didnt understand the treaty. They voted Yes for job creation, but according to Mr Lenihan, "thats simply incorrect."

Fuhrer

PaulieD wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sED3iApAvE

Surely the people were misinformed, they didnt understand the treaty. They voted Yes for job creation, but according to Mr Lenihan, "thats simply incorrect."

Good Paulie, if the video doesnt initially back up your point you should just keep on posting it anyway.

Tony EH

free-man wrote: »

When asked this morning ""Was it he promise of jobs that swung the vote to a Yes"

Lenihan responded:

"We never promised jobs as a result of a Yes vote"

lisbon-yes1.jpg

I just want to point out the hypocrisy of this statement. I'd ask posters to keep on topic and would not expect this thread to be locked / deleted or closed.

The state of Irish politics is truly depressing.

Just off the phone to a hardcore FF'er and even he thinks this was a really dumb thing for Lenihan to say.

...what's worse is the ****wits on here trying to defend it. :rolleyes:

PaulieD

Fuhrer wrote: »

Good Paulie, if the video doesnt initially back up your point you should just keep on posting it anyway.

I hope you enjoyed it.

The Big Red Button

I voted yes, for many reasons, but my decision was absolutely nothing to do with any empty promises made by idiot Fianna Fail politicians. And Fianna Fail are being deluded a$$holes if they really think that their support did anything positive for the Yes campaign, in my opinion they are due absolutely no credit for the referendum result.

dresden8

Lenihan is telling porkies, plain and simple.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055700471

http://www.fiannafail.ie/news/entry/YestoLisbon/

Yes to Lisbon, Yes to FDI, Yes to New Jobs

My italics, my bold, my huge text as so many people seemed to miss it on the previous thread.

Straight off the FF website.

OldJay

PaulieD wrote: »

A Yes vote has secured Brian Cowen and Fianna Fail will stay in power until 2012 and Nama will now pass. A Yes vote will do nothing, absolutely nothing, to help solve our economic woes

Thats either naive or blinkered. I don't care which. Either way the coalition govt and Nama had nothing to do with the treaty in the first place.

Of course, non-ratification of the Treaty would have affected our economy. Our clout in the EU would have been severely hit and that would have had an adverse effect on our economy.

Aside from bare-faced LIES about abortion, EU commissioner and their veto, taxation policies, euthanasia, conscription, minimum wage, workers rights, accession and the legality of a legal guarantee, what exactly did the 'No' campaigners have as a motive for their rhetoric? Government destabilisation. Electioneering.
These lying hypocrites used a constitutional issue as a party political mud-slinging match.
Even having done that, you support them? lol

dresden8

Justind wrote: »

Even having done that, you support them? lol

That's the worst part about Lisbon, everybody with legitimate concerns about Lisbon gets lumped with Coir and Libertas and labelled a loon.

That dismissive "lol" says it all.

Fuhrer

dresden8 wrote: »

That's the worst part about Lisbon, everybody with legitimate concerns about Lisbon gets lumped with Coir and Libertas and labelled a loon.

That dismissive "lol" says it all.

Any everyone who voted Yes gets lumped in the same group by you.


Cry your Crocodile tears

dresden8

Fuhrer wrote: »

Any everyone who voted Yes gets lumped in the same group by you.


Cry your Crocodile tears

Well apart from the Yes voting group, link please.

Long Onion

PaulieD wrote: »

As for Yes for jobs. Laughable. After tax harmonisation, expect a mass exodus of multinationals to eastern europe.

You were warned.

Thanks mystic Meg. But in reality, the fact is that the veto on domestic taxation matters remains unaltered by Lisbon, so the harmonisation of the tax base cannot proceed unless the Irish Government (whoever that may be) decides that it wants in - this makes your post ill informed.

The Yes to jobs poster issue is a poor reflection of our politicians - all of them and playing semantics no will not make them decent people. Threatening others with the fact that the multinationals will flee to Eastern Europe is exactly the same thing as that which you are complaining about.

The only thing that has disappointed me more during the Lisbon debate, than the campaigns of misinformation and downright lies is the continuing fact that neither side saw anything wrong with doing exactly the thing they complained about in the first instance.

Fuhrer

dresden8 wrote: »

Well apart from the Yes voting group, link please.

There you go

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/search.php?searchid=8736363

dresden8

Fuhrer wrote: »

There you go

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/search.php?searchid=8736363

That comes up with no posts.

Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms.

OldJay

dresden8 wrote: »

That's the worst part about Lisbon, everybody with legitimate concerns about Lisbon gets lumped with Coir and Libertas and labelled a loon.

That dismissive "lol" says it all.

The biggest swing element for this referendum was the clarity on issues made available by way of the Legal Guarantees. These guarantees basically debunked the myths that the 'No' vote won last year upon.

I laughed because this PaulieD fella is still making it a party political issue when it was anything but that and the side who were leading the 'No' vote campaign were also making it a party politicial issue given their comments yesterday.

Musha

The Lisbon "Yes for Jobs" but they did not tell you all those jobs would be in Poland, Czech Rep, Bulgaria ... Just ask the workers of Dell

Fuhrer

dresden8 wrote: »

That comes up with no posts.

It was supposed to be just a search for all your posts.


But hey, thats not what matters. What matters is that you are crying about how the No vote all get lumped in together while doing the same thing to the Yes side. Crocodile tears

turgon

Fuhrer wrote: »

Any everyone who voted Yes gets lumped in the same group by you.

Indeed we do. And we are given out to for daring to suggest a link between Coir and No voters. This referendum has been typified by people failing to apply their values in equal measure to both the side theyre on and the side theyre against.

efb

Well a commissioner for both Croatia and Turkey is two new jobs, created only by the Lisbon Treaty!

Fuhrer

efb wrote: »

Well a commissioner for both Croatia and Turkey is two new jobs, created only by the Lisbon Treaty!

Thats nice of them to give Turkey a commissioner, how about Australia, Argentina, China and Japan as well?

dresden8

Fuhrer wrote: »

It was supposed to be just a search for all your posts.


But hey, thats not what matters. What matters is that you are crying about how the No vote all get lumped in together while doing the same thing to the Yes side. Crocodile tears

So you made an accusation, I asked for proof and you deliberately respond with a blank page.

Interesting burden of proof you hold yourself to.

Hootanany

He is a Slimeball retracting like that

Fuhrer

dresden8 wrote: »

So you made an accusation, I asked for proof and you deliberately respond with a blank page.

Interesting burden of proof you hold yourself to.

No, I responded with a list of all your posts.


Its a pretty easy point to understand, you're either pretending that you dont understand it or simply cant understand it. Either way, I pity you.


Also, given what you consider to be proof, ill take that as a compliment.

efb

Fuhrer wrote: »

Thats nice of them to give Turkey a commissioner, how about Australia, Argentina, China and Japan as well?

Well according to the no side, Turkey's accession was a done deal under Lisbon. (A Taxi driver told me!)

They get in, they get a commissioner! Go Lisbon!

Fuhrer

efb wrote: »

Well according to the no side, Turkey's accession was a done deal under Lisbon. (A Taxi driver told me!)

They get in, they get a commissioner! Go Lisbon!

If Turkey get in, it will be because of the Nice treaty.


But they probably wont.

dresden8

Fuhrer wrote: »

No, I responded with a list of all your posts.


Its a pretty easy point to understand, you're either pretending that you dont understand it or simply cant understand it. Either way, I pity you.

You made an accusation, I asked for proof.

You are unable to provide it and and now trying to spoof your way out of it.

I take the insult as proof that you know you have been found out and are trying to start a row to divert attention away from your obvious error.

Any more insults you care to hurl?

eamon234

Eh, Helloooo - most of the opposition also supported the Treaty. I don't see anyone knocking them.

sceptre

Fuhrer wrote: »

It was supposed to be just a search for all your posts.

Searches are temporary - the URL doesn't last.

dresden8

Fuhrer wrote: »

Also, given what you consider to be proof, ill take that as a compliment.

What, stuff like links and accurate quotes?

Which you have singularly failed to provide.

Fuhrer

dresden8 wrote: »

What, stuff like links and accurate quotes?

Which you have singularly failed to provide.

Yes links to Youtube videos and vague slogans about potential future growth are really a great proof of your point.


Oh sorry, am I lumping you in with coir again?

dresden8

Fuhrer wrote: »

Yes links to Youtube videos and vague slogans about potential future growth are really a great proof of your point.


Oh sorry, am I lumping you in with coir again?

I think you'll find I provided links to the Minister's statement and an official Fianna Fail press release.

Nothing vague there. They are the subject of the thread.

What you got?

efb

Fuhrer wrote: »

If Turkey get in, it will be because of the Nice treaty.


But they probably wont.

The commission increases cos of Lisbon though, re: original point, MORE JOBS!!!:P

Fuhrer

dresden8 wrote: »

I think you'll find I provided links to the Minister's statement and an official Fianna Fail press release.

Nothing vague there. They are the subject of the thread.

Yes and they dont support your points. The streamlined decision making process will make it easier to get through decisions on investment that will lead to jobs, do you deny that?

prinz

efb wrote: »

Well according to the no side, Turkey's accession was a done deal under Lisbon. (A Taxi driver told me!)

They get in, they get a commissioner! Go Lisbon!

Taxi driver spreads nonsense :eek: I never thought that could happen. Turkey's accession was in no way connected to Lisbon. Turkey could have acceded already under Lisbon. Turkey is years, if not decades away from even meeting the criteria to apply for membership.

dresden8

Fuhrer wrote: »

The streamlined decision making process will make it easier to get through decisions on investment that will lead to jobs, do you deny that?

This isn't a discussion about Lisbon. Lisbon is done and over. It's coming in, move on.

This is a discussion about Minister Lenihan telling porkies.

prinz

dresden8 wrote: »

This isn't a discussion about Lisbon. Lisbon is done and over. It's coming in, move on.

This is a discussion about Minister Lenihan telling porkies.

If that's the case I suggest you're on the wrong forum and would be better served elsewhere.

Fuhrer

dresden8 wrote: »

This isn't a discussion about Lisbon. Lisbon is done and over. It's coming in, move on.

This is a discussion about Minister Lenihan telling porkies.

And what was he talking about? Ah right, Lisbon.


But yeah, you're right. Nothing to do with Lisbon.

efb

Are you avoiding the fact that because of Lisbon the commission can increase, ergo, more jobs!

dresden8

prinz wrote: »

If that's the case I suggest you're on the wrong forum and would be better served elsewhere.

We are where we are, to coin a phrase, because this is where the thread is.

The mods have seen fit to leave it in this forum.

That's good enough for me.

dresden8

Fuhrer wrote: »

And what was he talking about? Ah right, Lisbon.


But yeah, you're right. Nothing to do with Lisbon.

Minister Lenihan was talking about how the campaign was run. Seriously, didn't you listen to the vid?

Fuhrer

dresden8 wrote: »

Minister Lenihan was talking about how the campaign was run. Seriously, didn't you listen to the vid?

And what campaign was that for? OH RIGHT! LISBON!

dresden8

efb wrote: »

Are you avoiding the fact that because of Lisbon the commission can increase, ergo, more jobs!

That is off topic for this thread which is discussing Minister Lenihan's statement about the campaign, not about Lisbon.

How many times does this have to be said.

Lisbon is through, you won, well done.