Schoolboy becomes father at just 13.

Hard Larry

Here we go again.

How come I need a licence for my dog yet any pair of twats can bring little miracles into the world?

A schoolboy aged 13 has become one of Britain's youngest fathers, it has been reported.

The boy, from Manchester, was "chuffed to bits" after his 16-year-old girlfriend gave birth to a baby girl this week, the Daily Mirror said.

His father told the paper: "My son is mature for his age and will make a good father. He will make a better dad than most 25-year-old men would."

The young couple's identity cannot be revealed for legal reasons. They are said to have been in a relationship for some time, although they did not go to the same school.

His father added: "He isn't bewildered about about what has happened. He was a bit shocked at first but now he's chuffed to bits."

Earlier this year another 13-year-old, Alfie Patten, from Eastbourne in East Sussex, was believed to have become a father after his 15-year-old girlfriend conceived. But, DNA tests later showed that another 15-year-old was the father.

Britain has the worst teenage pregnancy rate in Europe, with an estimated around 43,000 teenage mothers created in England every year.

This latest case comes after new measures to deal with teenage pregnancies announced by Gordon Brown this week. He said teenage parents on benefits would be forced to live in "supervised homes" instead of being given council houses.

"It's time to address a problem that for too long has gone unspoken: the number of children having children," he declared.

In 2007, there were 42,918 pregnancies among under-18s

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20091003/tuk-schoolboy-becomes-father-at-just13-6323e80.html

thomond2006

God help the poor child (the baby that is ).

biko

Where do English girls take the ferry to?

Kalashnikov_Kid

That boy had sex with a 16 year old.....niiiiiiiice



South Park reference

Ann22

Hard Larry wrote: »

How come I need a licence for my dog yet any pair of twats can bring little miracles into the world?

Very true. You need a licence for everything these days yet you see all sorts having babies, treating them harshly and letting them roam the streets 'til all hours. Then you have the lovely people who'd make wonderful parents struggling to conceive. Sad.

abouttobebanned

can't we just copy over all the replies from the other thread?

eviltwin

His father told the paper: "My son is mature for his age and will make a good father. He will make a better dad than most 25-year-old men would."

I think there's you answer right there folks. No wonder kids are having kids when they are being raised by idiots like that.

mikom

Hard Larry wrote: »

A schoolboy aged 13 has become one of Britain's youngest fathers, it has been reported.

The boy, from Manchester, was "chuffed to bits" after his 16-year-old girlfriend gave birth to a baby girl this week, the Daily Mirror said.

His father told the paper: "My son is mature for his age and will make a good father.

I'd say he's more mature than he's given credit for.
Sure isn't he 13 coming on 16.

RMD

If the only emotion a 13 year old boy has about becoming a dad at that age is "chuffed", then he clearly isn't mature enough to be a dad.

How the hell is a 13 year old supposed to provide for a kid, especially in the middle of a recession. I pity the child that's about to be born.

Tellox

People should be put on mandatory Birth Control until they hit 18. Preferably until they get a license to prove they are not a useless drain on society.

Like, the kid will be 5 when Daddy is heading for his first legal pint. What in the severe ****.

tommyboy2222

What's the age of consent in England ? 16 ?

Was it not statutory rape then ?

eviltwin

Tellox wrote: »

People should be put on mandatory Birth Control until they hit 18. Preferably until they get a license to prove they are not a useless drain on society.

Like, the kid will be 5 when Daddy is heading for his first legal pint. What in the severe ****.

Somehow I doubt Daddy is going to be around long enough to see his child take its first steps let alone anything else. Whats the betting after the novelty wears off he'll be back to his playstation.

Max Power1

tommyboy2222 wrote: »

What's the age of consent in England ? 16 ?

Was it not statutory rape then ?

dont you know? Its only statutory rape if the guy is the older one, women normally have carte blanche

eviltwin

I think generally statutory rape laws are only really used if the age gap is really significant. I cant see any advantage in taking a 16 year old to court can you?

orourkeda

tommyboy2222 wrote: »

What's the age of consent in England ? 16 ?

Was it not statutory rape then ?

When is a woman\girl ever going to be convicted of statutory rape? Especially a 16 year old girl with a baby who had sex with someone 3 years younger.

orourkeda

eviltwin wrote: »

Somehow I doubt Daddy is going to be around long enough to see his child take its first steps let alone anything else. Whats the betting after the novelty wears off he'll be back to his playstation.

Maybe he'll impregnate his playstation as well. Kinky.

Thornography

I cant remember if I could even get it up at 13

tommyboy2222

eviltwin wrote: »

I think generally statutory rape laws are only really used if the age gap is really significant. I cant see any advantage in taking a 16 year old to court can you?

Would you be cool with a 16 year old boy having sex with a 13 year old girl ?

wyndham

High five to the 13yr old.

drkpower

Hard Larry wrote: »

How come I need a licence for my dog yet any pair of twats can bring little miracles into the world?

Are you advocating a licence before you are allowed have a child? And if so, what is the punishment for having a child without a licence?

Or do you actually have anything constructive to say on the issue?

eviltwin

tommyboy2222 wrote: »

Would you be cool with a 16 year old boy having sex with a 13 year old girl ?

Nope just as I'm not cool with 16 year old girls having sex with underage boys

My point is its done, the girl has just had a baby and what exactly are we going to do with her? Put her a detention centre or something?

These two were girlfriend and boyfriend by all accounts so I'm assuming the parents were aware they were seeing each other. What were they thinking allowing it? Its them who should be punished if you ask me. As a parent its your job to take care of your kids until they come of age..they ****ed that up big time so let them take the rap

mental07

"My son is mature for his age and will make a good father. He will make a better dad than most 25-year-old men would."

Just.......massive facepalm.

Hydroquinone

orourkeda wrote: »

When is a woman\girl ever going to be convicted of statutory rape? Especially a 16 year old girl with a baby who had sex with someone 3 years younger.

The answer to that question is that you have to know what the definition of statutory rape is, in the jurisdiction you're talking about. For instance, in the UK the definition of statutory rape is that a person has sex with a girl under 13. So obviously, once you know the legal definition in the jurisdiction in question, it's easy to see why it's not going to happen here. This Mancunian girl can't be done for it, because that's not what she did.
That trumpet teacher in the UK who was jailed for her affair with a fifteen year old female pupil, she who wasn't done for statutory rape, either - the girl in question was older than 13.
Nor was Vanessa George, that nursery school worker from this week, even though her victims had to fall into the age range.

I'm not disputing that there should be some sort of equivalent legal term where the woman is the perpetrator, seeing as it's pretty well male-centric as it stands. Just that at the moment - in the UK - statutory rape isn't it.

whadabouchasir

Is the lad probably not still in national school?

00112984

I've said it before and I'll say it again, there's a great way to reduce teenage pregnancies-

BRING BACK FINGERING!!

eviltwin

00112984 wrote: »

I've said it before and I'll say it again, there's a great way to reduce teenage pregnancies-

BRING BACK FINGERING!!

I think if parents weren't so quick to stick their heads in the sand and actually talked openly to their children about sex from an early age then we wouldnt have a problem

Fingering might help too though

35notout

drkpower wrote: »

Are you advocating a licence before you are allowed have a child? And if so, what is the punishment for having a child without a licence?

Or do you actually have anything constructive to say on the issue?

You do realise this is AH dont you?

Abi

wyndham wrote: »

High five to the 13yr old.

Are you also 13?

Elliemental

The child (father), is more mature than most 25 year old men, yet not mature enough to grasp the idea of birth control?

Max Power1

drkpower wrote: »

Are you advocating a licence before you are allowed have a child? And if so, what is the punishment for having a child without a licence?

Or do you actually have anything constructive to say on the issue?

Yes i would be in favour of such a scheme

The punishment? Abortion.

drkpower

35notout wrote: »

You do realise this is AH dont you?

Sure, but when you post on a serious topic, you shouldnt get a free pass to inanity.

Max Power1 wrote: »

Yes i would be in favour of such a scheme

The punishment? Abortion.

Okay..... forced abortions. Interesting idea.
And if the girl is discovered by the authorites at 37 weeks, would you still favour such a proposal?
And what if they succesfully went to term and delivered before the authorities found out?

eviltwin

Max Power1 wrote: »

Yes i would be in favour of such a scheme

The punishment? Abortion.

Now you're just being stupid.

Look you can never tell who is going to make a good parent..its got very little to do with age, income, background etc. Yes they help but lots of people with everything going for them turn out to be rubbish parents..my own included

I had my daughter at just gone 20, I had no experience at all of children and no one in their right mind would have given me or my partner a liscence to have a kid but I like to think we have done a great job with her.

And as for forcing girls to have abortions..yeah I would love to see the fall out of that on the state of their mental health

Max Power1

Max Power1 wrote: »

Yes i would be in favour of such a scheme

The punishment? Abortion.

Now, i'm not entirely disagreeing with you because it is a pity that any eejit can have a baby BUT.

Firstly, abortion is illegal in this country. Lets pretend it's not. A girl of 17 finds out she is pregnant, she is terrified that if anyone finds out they will make her abort her baby so she hides it for as long as possible, putting the life of her and her baby at risk. So next you'll say well then the baby should be put up for adoption. Have you seen the Magdalen sisters? I cried hysterically after seeing that film. Is that what you want from our country? Girls/Women terrified of becoming pregnant and then having to go through pregnancy, birth alone only for their baby to be taken from them?

Fair enough.

That story is very sad, that poor little lad (the dad that is) hasn't the faintest clue what he has done. He's not even old enough to get a job! We really need better education. Parents should be teaching their kids about sex from an early age but in all fairness, I don't think this kids parents would have been much help anyway.

Dudess

abouttobebanned wrote: »

can't we just copy over all the replies from the other thread?

And the countless other ones...

Mad_Max

00112984 wrote: »

I've said it before and I'll say it again, there's a great way to reduce teenage pregnancies-

BRING BACK FINGERING!!

Fingering has been out of fashion??? :eek::eek:

the_dark_side

techically, does this mean she has to go onto some sort of sex offenders register, because she has had sex with a minor?

Hard Larry

drkpower wrote: »

Are you advocating a licence before you are allowed have a child? And if so, what is the punishment for having a child without a licence?

Or do you actually have anything constructive to say on the issue?

I just think its a f*cked up world we live in when.

I have to earn a certain amount of money before I can buy a house,
I need a licence to operate a vehicle,
I need a licence to look after an animal,
I need to register to get married,

All life changing events that require planning...yet two kids can have a quick fumble around the back of the wheelie-bins at Spar and start pushing out the sprogs and no one bats an eye-lid, and another family gets that bit closer to the breadline.

Now with a bit of luck that baby is loved and cared for and he/she has the best of oppurtunities in life but then you turn on the TV and Radio and see the likes of Joseph Fritzl or that woman Catherine who was abused by her father in Ireland and you have to start thinking to yourself that there must be a better system for bringing a life into this world.

Do advocate a punishment for not having a licence? sure same as the punishment for all the others a fine and a court appearance if you fail to pay.

but i'd also advocate if you do have a licence well then that makes you eligible for whatever state benefits there may be.

Abi

the_dark_side wrote: »

techically, does this mean she has to go onto some sort of sex offenders register, because she has had sex with a minor?

She might have been 15 when the baby was conceived, making her also a minor at the time.

Horsefumbler

Hard Larry wrote: »

Earlier this year another 13-year-old, Alfie Patten, from Eastbourne in East Sussex, was believed to have become a father after his 15-year-old girlfriend conceived. But, DNA tests later showed that another 15-year-old was the father.

eh, owned?

Dudess

How many times is the "licence" cliché gonna be used? It's even more tired than "Ever notice how ironic it is that the Minister for Health is so fat?"

James Sutton, from Manchester, became Britain's youngest father of twins in 1999 when aged 13. James was only 12 when his 16-year old girlfriend, Sarah Drinkwater, conceived. The press predicted a bleak future but, a decade on, as well as looking after Leah and Louise, the couple have also had a third daughter, Ellie. After working full-time, James saved and bought the family their own £100,000 home. He helped look after the children while Sarah went through university. Speaking in 2007, James said: "If I could do it again I'd have waited until I was in my 20s, because I missed out on my own childhood."

It's not at all ideal, but it's happened - no turning back. There are very young parents out there who do their utmost under difficult circumstances - where I live in Cork (and ditto where I lived in Dublin) I see numerous teenage mothers (yes, mothers moreso than fathers - that doesn't mean there aren't any decent teen fathers though) and they seem to be superb with their kids: so interested in them, so anxious for them to be polite and well behaved.
I'm not living in a fantasy land - of course there are teenagers who aren't fit to be parents, but maybe have a think before spewing judgemental bile and assuming age (and yes, class background) means disastrous parenting is an inevitability.

I love how there's all that macho bravado on After Hours about roidin' teenage girls, but when one is pregnant, suddenly the outraged moral guardian hat is donned...

VinnyTGM

I'd have to agree with some and say that the parent's are to blame, there basically kid's and got carried away with themselve's.

What's the point in having a law that say's that one must be over 16 to have sex but when it is broken nothing can be done.

Overheal

drkpower wrote: »

Are you advocating a licence before you are allowed have a child? And if so, what is the punishment for having a child without a licence?

Or do you actually have anything constructive to say on the issue?

Actually, you should need a license. Without a license you would be unable to claim any state benefits for having a child.

eviltwin

Overheal wrote: »

Actually, you should need a license. Without a license you would be unable to claim any state benefits for having a child.

And just out of interest on what basis do we issue them? Who gets to decide who is parent material for example and what criteria would you have to fit?

Because its totally unworkable. Lots of parents out there are good providers ie have a house, can give a good education etc but how on earth do we weed out the potential sex abusers etc

Overheal

eviltwin wrote: »

And just out of interest on what basis do we issue them? Who gets to decide who is parent material for example and what criteria would you have to fit?

Because its totally unworkable. Lots of parents out there are good providers ie have a house, can give a good education etc but how on earth do we weed out the potential sex abusers etc

Taking some basic classes on how to be a parent for a start. So many people are bloody clueless about it.

eviltwin

Overheal wrote: »

Taking some basic classes on how to be a parent for a start. So many people are bloody clueless about it.

Well I totally agree with you there but I think we should be teaching parenting and basic life skills from the day they start school. It would be nice to think everyone learnt them at home but as thats obviously not going to happen mainstream education should include it

Jesus Wept

Hard Larry wrote: »

any pair of twats can bring little miracles

lol.
little miracles my arse.
Just another unit being pushed out imo.

grenache

I stand open to correction, but is 16 not the legal age of consent for a girl in Britain? Could she not be brought up for unlawful sex with a minor if this is the case?

brummytom

grenache wrote: »

I stand open to correction, but is 16 not the legal age of consent for a girl in Britain? Could she not be brought up for unlawful sex with a minor if this is the case?

The age of consent in this country is 16 for girls. There's no age for boys.
If a girl over 16 has sex with a boy under 16, she's done nothing wrong. If a lad over 16 sleeps with a girl under 16, that's statutory rape of a minor.

Midnight_EG

I think people are just jealous he got his hole before anybody else here :cool:

Thornography

grenache wrote: »

I stand open to correction, but is 16 not the legal age of consent for a girl in Britain? Could she not be brought up for unlawful sex with a minor if this is the case?

The point about `what good could possibly come from this` has already been raised.

So she could possibly be put on the sex offender list? Sure everyone who knows about it probably thinks very little of her anyway ATM let alone being branded.

she has a kid for her mistakes. Thats punishment enough I guess.

pablomakaveli

I wonder is it the same girl from the first case. She'd probably be 16 now and has a proven penchant for 13 year old boys. Would'nt surprise me if it was.