Result of The Referendum is looking like a YES

dixiefly

It's early days (or hours) but in a vote like this the early trends are very telling and the feedback from the count centres is for a strong YES.

Circa 58-62% YES could well be the outcome.

Euro_Kraut

Thread on this:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055699699

triple-M

all of europe will be watching the updates to see how Ireland votes,lets all hope we made the right decision

dixiefly

Dublin has gone YES according to early results on radio - even areas that were NO the last time.

Also strong showing for YES from Galway.

jaffa20

It's way to early to tell:rolleyes:

The high no votes from the rural areas will even out the yes side in urban areas.

kenco

Looks like a Yes vote but I dont think its going to be more than 60% and maybe closer to 55% overall. This is tighter than expected but I guess not a surprise as the vibe was that the undecideds might lean No

dixiefly

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

Thread on this:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055699699

I am sorry about that - I looked to see if there was a thread say it was looking like a YES result and I didnt see one.

dixiefly

kenco wrote: »

Looks like a Yes vote but I dont think its going to be more than 60% and maybe closer to 55% overall. This is tighter than expected but I guess not a surprise as the vibe was that the undecideds might lean No

The trends from around the country is 2 to 1 based on the early tallies. Much more consistent trends compared to last year.

These are very comprehensive samples of the vote from around the country. If I was a betting man I would say that 60+% YES is achievable.

dixiefly

Listening further on the radio - It's All Over!

Limerick, Kerry etc. Areas that were NO before. All coming in YES. More Dublin areas going YES.

The YES side have it

I would say it could go to 60-64% YES.

kenco

dixiefly wrote: »

The trends from around the country is 2 to 1 based on the early tallies. Much more consistent trends compared to last year.

These are very comprehensive samples of the vote from around the country. If I was a betting man I would say that 60+% YES is achievable.

Possible alright but hard to say definitively until the big urban centres harden on their tallies. The extent of the yes vote I would think is not that important to the government just that it gets through.

dixiefly

kenco wrote: »

Possible alright but hard to say definitively until the big urban centres harden on their tallies. The extent of the yes vote I would think is not that important to the government just that it gets through.

Yes I agree, it just shows how the govt made a balls up of the first vote.

BTW, I dont fuly blame Cowan on that, Bertie took his eye off the ball in his last few months.

kenco

dixiefly wrote: »

Yes I agree, it just shows how the govt made a balls up of the first vote.

BTW, I dont fuly blame Cowan on that, Bertie took his eye off the ball in his last few months.

Dead right Dix. There was no reason what so ever that they would not have got this passed first time round if they had bothered to respect the electorate and encourage an open debate as opposed to the 'dont you worry your little heads about Lisbon' approach

ilovelamp2000

kenco wrote: »

Dead right Dix. There was no reason what so ever that they would not have got this passed first time round if they had bothered to respect the electorate and encourage an open debate as opposed to the 'dont you worry your little heads about Lisbon' approach

I must have missed the open debate that the government encouraged this time around.

Most of them seemed loathe to comment on the Treaty bar repeating the same empty platitudes.

Anyway a yes vote was inevitable, we're a stupid electorate.

turgon

Rosco1982 wrote: »

Anyway a yes vote was inevitable, we're a stupid electorate.

Bitter much?

Given that statistically the No lies were greater and more numerous, and that in some respects stupidity is the willingness to give into lies, this shows overwhelming that the electorate isn't "stupid" today as they were first time around.

USE

triple-M wrote: »

all of europe will be watching the updates to see how Ireland votes,lets all hope we made the right decision

We are watching already

Plus:

The media scrum surrounding this referendum is unprecedented, with some 560 TV, radio and print journalists in receipt of accreditation for the count at Dublin Castle tomorrow.

I hope you will give us some good news and at the evening I will have a chance to eat some cake and to drink some champagne

murphaph

turgon wrote: »

Bitter much?

As Higgins saud, it's 1:1, so there should be a replay

I'm bitter at the obvious disregard amongst political circles, both in Ireland and across Europe for the will of the people. French and Dutch sidelined, then the irish told to vote again and give the right result (same as with Nice). I'm not at all fed up with Europe (I live in 'Europe'). I'm fed up with fcuking politicians with an agenda telling us we ned to do this and that. The danes would have voted no if it had gone to referendum, as would the british.

I find it very hard to accept that Brian Cowen 'knows' that Lisbon is right for Ireland when the same man hasn't sacked John O'Donoghue from FF? Is John O'fcuking Dunoghue right for Ireland? No, but he's still there in the chair. The so called opposition have let O'Donoghue off the hook (all on board the same gravy train) so why would we look to them for guidance either?

Anyway, I know people have strong feelings in the matter and I'm not going to rehash the whole thing. It's going to be passed and the project can roll on. Call me when all these benefits trickle down to the ordinary European in the street. I'm out!

turgon

murphaph wrote: »

As Higgins saud, it's 1:1, so there should be a replay

If there was a rerun it would be Yes again for the simple reason that the No side couldnt lie. They couldn't claim the stupid things they did because the Yes side would just say "is this happening now?" In fact I would encourage another vote on Lisbon next october just to see the No side lies foiled.

murphaph wrote: »

French and Dutch sidelined, then the irish told to vote again and give the right result (same as with Nice).

Thats actually a distortion of the truth. The principle of democracy is a "two way dialogue between citizen and government," and this dialogue includes addressing concerns made by citizens and giving them a chance to vote on any issues addressed. "No means no" is a silly argument which basically means people like mine arent entitled to change our minds. If we were to apply this logic consistently we would cancel every single general election - "FF means FF" after all?

murphaph wrote: »

I find it very hard to accept that Brian Cowen 'knows' that Lisbon is right for Ireland when the same man hasn't sacked John O'Donoghue from FF?

Not only does Cowen think its right, but so does every other rational political group in the country, almost all employee unions and all employers unions. The main protagonists of the No side were either hard Right catholic nutheads, or hard Left socialists who's wet dream is taking control of your house and your life. With the uncomfortable addition of Libertas, who's differences relative to other groups just gives the impression of "agenda."

AtomicHorror

It's looking like a surprisingly strong yes...

Rosco1982 wrote: »

Anyway a yes vote was inevitable, we're a stupid electorate.

An electorate that you are part of. Think you're special? I've voted to kick FF out in the last couple of elections, and the electorate did not agree. I think they may be variously afraid of change, or apathetic towards politics, but mostly I just think they were wrong. I don't think they're stupid, I'm just not that arrogant.

Coir were stupid and Libertas were stupid. Even if the Yes side hadn't stepped up, the very obvious scaremongering of some of these No side groups might well have swung a Yes. They gave it to us on a silver platter. Coir in particular. Clowns.

ParkRunner

So now that Lisbon looks like it has passed in Ireland, will the rest of Europe go ahead and ratify it or will the English people get their chance to have their say?

AtomicHorror

EF wrote: »

So now that Lisbon looks like it has passed in Ireland, will the rest of Europe go ahead and ratify it or will the English people get their chance to have their say?

We shouldn't have. Next we'll be voting on our own taxes and the colour of Biffo's tie.

murphaph

turgon wrote: »

If there was a rerun it would be Yes again for the simple reason that the No side couldnt lie. They couldn't claim the stupid things they did because the Yes side would just say "is this happening now?" In fact I would encourage another vote on Lisbon next october just to see the No side lies foiled.



Thats actually a distortion of the truth. The principle of democracy is a "two way dialogue between citizen and government," and this dialogue includes addressing concerns made by citizens and giving them a chance to vote on any issues addressed. "No means no" is a silly argument which basically means people like mine arent entitled to change our minds. If we were to apply this logic consistently we would cancel every single general election - "FF means FF" after all?



Not only does Cowen think its right, but so does every other rational political group in the country, almost all employee unions and all employers unions. The main protagonists of the No side were either hard Right catholic nutheads, or hard Left socialists who's wet dream is taking control of your house and your life. With the uncomfortable addition of Libertas, who's differences relative to other groups just gives the impression of "agenda."

You're entitled to your opinion. I'm a democrat see.

I'm a normal joe. Not hard left or hard right. I'm conservative on some issues (like law and order) and I'm liberal on others (like abortion for example). i cannot, like the vast majority of people be pidgeon-holed. I accept the will of the irish people, though I disagree with it.

Let's hope Lisbon does deliver all these jobs and all this prosperity that the established political parties have promised us. I'm not too optimistic that this day next year or in 5 years time that Lisbon will have delivered what the establishment has promised.

Congratulations on your result.

turgon

If we add the result of Lisbon I, with the result of Lisbon II which we will put conservatively on 57%, you still get an overall Yes. And this doesnt even take into account the expected higher turnout second time around. Now thats democracy, agreed?

Well, democracy by the normal definition. We all the No-side definition "any decision by the population, the result of which agrees with what we think the result should be."

murphaph wrote: »

Let's hope Lisbon does deliver all these jobs and all this prosperity that the established political parties have promised us. I'm not too optimistic that this day next year or in 5 years time that Lisbon will have delivered what the establishment has promised.

I dont care for the Jobs argument in this Yes vote. I care that it will streamline the EU and make it more democratic. So it will work out the way I want it to. Just not maybe other peoples.

murphaph wrote: »

Congratulations on your result.

diamondgirl

i see Bif Fat Cowen on tv, looking all delighted with himself that it looks like a YES.

Can beleive how many people, have been dubed by this fool again.

I just hope, things dont get any worse for our country for people listening to his lies !

diamondgirl

just thinking

what happened in Kildare, where thousands of people were sent voting cards that were not entitled to vote.

There is no mention of how things went.

As usual thats one way of them getting a yes vote, to fool us all again.

This was mentioned on the news on the internet, about the wrong voting cards, but not on the national news on the TV, i wonder why !

TelePaul

diamondgirl wrote: »

This was mentioned on the internet

Then it's definetely true. Vote passed, time to get over it and move on.

samhail

is the vote result based on total number of votes in the country ? or like the outcome of the votes in each county, and the numbers of county for YES/NO ?

OldJay

murphaph wrote: »

I find it very hard to accept that Brian Cowen 'knows' that Lisbon is right for Ireland when the same man hasn't sacked John O'Donoghue from FF? Is John O'fcuking Dunoghue right for Ireland? No, but he's still there in the chair. The so called opposition have let O'Donoghue off the hook (all on board the same gravy train) so why would we look to them for guidance either?

The Lisbon Treaty has nothing to do with the view of a political party.
I know I didn't vote 'yes' because a bloody politician told me so.

Fuhrer

Rosco1982 wrote: »

we're a stupid electorate.

I know, look who we let vote.

*Looks at Rosco*

junkyard

If the yes side win it will probably be the biggest mistake the people of Ireland will ever make, i'm glad I don't live there anymore, so much for the fighting Irish.:rolleyes:

TelePaul

junkyard wrote: »

If the yes side win it will probably be the biggest mistake the people of Ireland will ever make, i'm glad I don't live there anymore, so much for the fighting Irish.:rolleyes:

Whattya mean 'if'?

Max Power1

junkyard wrote: »

If the yes side win it will probably be the biggest mistake the people of Ireland will ever make, i'm glad I don't live there anymore, so much for the fighting Irish.:rolleyes:

unfortunately its looking like a certainty - even as high as 60%yes in some places