Before you all leave: the awards nominations

P. Breathnach

Folks,

Discussions here were generally short on statistics (and many of the supposed statistics were lies) but we had no shortage of lies and damn lies. So I propose that we give due recognition to the various types of lie to which we have been subjected by picking out the winners in various categories.

My nominations are:
Most effective lie: "Minimum Wage €1.84"
Cleverest lie: "The treaty is self-amending."
Most unbelievable lie: "I was going to vote yes, but ..."
Best lie about lying: "They said that if we voted No we would be thrown out of the EU."
Most desperate lie: "The guarantees are worthless"
[In each case, variants are deemed to be subsumed into the exemplar chosen for nomination.]

PaulieD

Yes for jobs?

ei.sdraob

Most stupid lie: "Irish Democracy 1916-2009"

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prinz

I definitely remember one poster proclaiming that the Irish Constitution wouldn't exist anymore if we voted yes.

ei.sdraob

Funniest lie: http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=62366020&postcount=11

MikeC101

Most disturbing picture: That libertas poster with the crying ultra green eyed child.

ei.sdraob

MikeC101 wrote: »

Most disturbing picture: That libertas poster with the crying ultra green eyed child.

Just left me wondering what the hell Declan Ganley did to her to get that pose.

in case anyone is wondering

lizard eye girl, quite fitting i think

Dinner

Most widespread lie: "NO MEANS NO" - sounds all well and good but when you scratch the surface you find that no only means no when they disagree with the issue. Otherwise it's "NO MEANS WAIT AN ARBITRARY AMOUNT OF TIME BEFORE ASKING AGAIN". Not quite as catchy.

Most irritating lie: "yes voters think no voters are all stupid idiots who shouldn't be allowed to vote" (or similar). It has zero grounding in reality yet a comment like that is all it takes to gain a plethora of thanks.

MikeC101

ei.sdraob wrote: »

in case anyone is wondering

lizard eye girl, quite fitting i think

I must confess, I first saw it when you posted it here, and wasn't sure if it was a joke poster or not. Then I saw it up around Dublin :eek:

What is it, some right wing parties vision of what Irish people look like, weird green eyes and kind of red hair?

dresden8

Yes for Economic Recovery?

Funglegunk

MikeC101 wrote: »

What is it, some right wing parties vision of what Irish people look like, weird green eyes and kind of red hair?

Thats what I look like! :eek:

Did you notice the 'European Democracy' girl's eyes were blue, and the 'Irish Democracy' girl's eyes were green? Nice little touch there.

I was gobsmacked when I first saw those posters. 'Vote No or the cute little girl gets it!'

And the fact that they got the dates wrong....unbelieveable. Irish Democracy 1916? European democracy 1945? wtf?

PrivateEye

Staying at "the heart of Europe"
Yes For Recovery
Yes For Jobs
Everything Jim Coir Said
'Choose Workers Rights' (Generation Yes Trainspotting)
€1.84 An Hour

ArmaniJeanss

Did Libertas ever explain what the theory behind the Lizard Girl posters was?

In fairness to Coir, nutty as their posters were at least they gave an explanation on the website.

marco murphy

HELLO TURKEY? NO WAY!

(Could be wrong I'm just amused by it)

In fairness to Coir, nutty as their posters were at least they gave an explanation on the website.

They handed me a leaflet explaining it too.

SafeSurfer

Declan Ganley referring to the EU "unelected elites". May not be one of the worst lies of the campaign but certainly the most hypocritical.

RandomName2

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Declan Ganley referring to the EU "unelected elites". May not be one of the worst lies of the campaign but certainly the most hypocritical.

The Commission is unelected....

And it is the legislative elite of the EU.

Why am I wasting my breath?

E1.84 sounded much better on Coir's website (take a look, it's long-winded but mildly compelling!)

Worst 'no' side poster by a county mile though.

I think Liberal should get the prize for worst 'yes' side posters (who are they?)

Yes and the City.
Give yourself a treaty

ei.sdraob

RandomName2 wrote: »

The Commission is unelected....

dont you find it ironic that Lisbon 1 would have reduced the size of this useless EU organ?

and thanks to Ganley the likes of McGravy get to keep their jobs

turgon

RandomName2 wrote: »

The Commission is unelected....

Em, where did you get that idea? Its elected by the council of ministers, as well as approved by the Euro Parl. You cant just make up facts to suit you.

ei.sdraob

turgon wrote: »

You cant just make up facts to suit you.

a characteristic trait of the NO campaign i say

marbar

biggest crock:
Anything mary lou sais

head snake oil salesman:
ganley

Funglegunk

RandomName2 wrote: »

I think Liberal should get the prize for worst 'yes' side posters (who are they?)

Yes and the City.
Give yourself a treaty

Agreed, those posters were pretty groan inducing tbh. I am still amazed at the ineptitude of the various Yes campaigns. The most effective 'No' posters appeared to reference actual facts (Minimum wage €1.84, Fisheries €200 billion, Voting Weight 0.8%), rather than the wishy-washy generalities of the majority of Yes posters. I can count on one hand the Yes posters that actually referenced concrete outcomes of the treaty (Keep Our Commissioner, the Green's Climate Change one....I'm sure there are a couple more.)

Maybe they should have worked harder on snappy posters referencing benefits of the actual treaty:

The EU LOVES Transparency
The EU LOVES Human Rights
These People DIED for your FREEDOM, but they would see the benefits of pooling some of your sovereignty for the mutual benefit of you and neighbouring countries!!!!

Maybe not.

Daftendirekt

YES! It's finally over!

I'd give my nomination for most amusing lie to 'Tony Blair will be president of Europe!'

My personal favourite though is 'More wages for the elites; less wages for you.' You can't make this shit up (well obviously Cóir can).

marbar

best statement:
vote yes to piss off shinn fein and declan ganley

squod

"I believe that the ratification of Lisbon will consolidate Ireland's place at the heart of Europe help lead us down the path of economic recovery."

Airheads who come out with crap like this are the same kind we have to rely on for Ireland's future, we're all fooked.

spank_inferno

Most damaging lie: "Minimum wage will become €1.84"

Most sucessfull lie: "Yes for jobs, Yes for economic recovery"

Biggest winner of the night: Fianne Fail

Biggest loser of the night: David Cameron, who will find it a bit lonely going it alone in trying to re-ratify it by referendum next year.

prinz

spank_inferno wrote: »

Biggest winner of the night: Fianne Fail

They will still be given the boot next GE. What have they won?

spank_inferno wrote: »

Biggest loser of the night: David Cameron, who will find it a bit lonely going it alone in trying to re-ratify it by referendum next year.

Cameron's going to re-ratify it? ... You must mean try to reverse the ratification... but look, he's starting to backpeddle on his promise of a referendum in the UK if Lisbon is ratified by the time he comes to power.

meglome

Funglegunk wrote: »

The most effective 'No' posters appeared to reference actual facts (Minimum wage €1.84, Fisheries €200 billion, Voting Weight 0.8%), rather than the wishy-washy generalities of the majority of Yes posters.

Appeared being the operative word. I imagine making stuff up is often much more interesting than the more mundane truth.

Funglegunk

meglome wrote: »

Appeared being the operative word. I imagine making stuff up is often much more interesting than the more mundane truth.

Certainly makes for a better poster. And you know and I know that those poster slogans are exactly the reasons being given in pubs for voting No. Not everyone has time to trawl through international treaties/boards.ie threads I suppose.

Thats where the Yes campaign failed dismally, and the reason I'm getting a slow creeping feeling that there will be a second No result.

Red Hand

I've never seen it with so many posters looking at this forum.

Will Scofflaw be hoisted on the shoulders of his fellows with boisterous cries of "Scofflaw abu!"? Or will Run_to_da_hills enter victoriously to the strains of the Imperial March?

On topic, for me Jim Corr and his campaign piece thread in this forum was an eye-opener in terms of misinformation and misinterpretation.

Funglegunk

Jeremiah 16:1 wrote: »

On topic, for me Jim Corr and his campaign piece thread in this forum was an eye-opener in terms of misinformation and misinterpretation.

Are you saying Jim's "years of selfless study on the Internet" didn't convince you?!

Being from Dundalk I've heard all of Jim's ****e in the local newspapers, so had to crack a smile when I saw his name on the thread as I knew what it would be about.

RUN FOR OFFICE JIM, you are the Cassandra of the Irish people!!!

Daftendirekt

Jeremiah 16:1 wrote: »

I've never seen it with so many posters looking at this forum.

Will Scofflaw be hoisted on the shoulders of his fellows with boisterous cries of "Scofflaw abu!"? Or will Run_to_da_hills enter victoriously to the strains of the Imperial March?

On topic, for me Jim Corr and his campaign piece thread in this forum was an eye-opener in terms of misinformation and misinterpretation.

Yeah, that was pretty epic.

Max Power1

PaulieD wrote: »

Yes for jobs?

dresden8 wrote: »

Yes for Economic Recovery?

I nominate these 2

PrivateEye wrote: »

Staying at "the heart of Europe"
Yes For Recovery
Yes For Jobs
Everything Jim Coir Said
'Choose Workers Rights' (Generation Yes Trainspotting)
€1.84 An Hour

And this

dresden8

Michael O'Leary campaigning for workers rights.

Funglegunk

dresden8 wrote: »

Michael O'Leary campaigning for workers rights.

Ha, did he actually mention worker's rights? I usually admire his blunt way of speaking, but he came off very badly campaigning for Lisbon.

spank_inferno

prinz wrote: »

They will still be given the boot next GE. What have they won?

Its just me being pesimistic.
I have a feeling that FF will feel the result will somehow affirm their mandate.
Expect soundbites saying that they understand the anger of the people but they will now focus on addressing... blah blah
And besides we've 2.5 years to go of this shower anyway.

prinz wrote: »

Cameron's going to re-ratify it? ... You must mean try to reverse the ratification... but look, he's starting to backpeddle on his promise of a referendum in the UK if Lisbon is ratified by the time he comes to power.

Deep down I never thought he would want to go ahead with it.
It always seemed more playing politics and getting the Murdoch press on his side. If in power I reckon he'll have to grow up and back track on his promise to reverse the ratification

dresden8

Funglegunk wrote: »

Ha, did he actually mention worker's rights? I usually admire his blunt way of speaking, but he came off very badly campaigning for Lisbon.

He didn't mention them directly as far as I know. Still funny though.