Mac Room, Printers, Loss of D01??? [Mod Warning Post #26]

iseegirls

Was there an actual need for a Mac room to be installed in the college in IT102- walked past today and i think theres about 10 lectures in there for the whole week. We had to move out of there after 2 weeks of doing nothing - there was 5 mac's in there!! Then they got them all in and it will now take another 2 weeks to get them sorted with software etc . . . Like what a waste of two weeks and thankfully we've got our classes changed finally.

Along with the demolition of D01 PC room and the new mac room - thats 2 PC labs gone for the students.

And then there's the new PC's in some of the rooms - great that they're fast, but what about access to a printer? Went over to the library and only one room had access to a printer. And software which we will be using hasn't even been installed on most of the PC's.

This is the 3rd week out of 12!!! An utter disaster for a college trying to get university status.

Sully

Welcome to WIT :P

Could be a lot worse. Not sure what the situation with D01 is as they only went at it late in the summer IIRC. At a standstill now. The work on the new machines/printers was done towards the end of the summer break. Not sure the point of the mac room though.

christophicus

AFAIK its for Entertainment Systems, one of the streams does music recording/production I think.

shanemul

I have to say i do like the idea of the MAC lab will allow the like of music production to be done much easier. As for the printers it crazy I've found 1 room that still has the printers working IT220

Maxtor

it just gets worse year after year... DO1 was fine, another excuse to spend money where it isn't need.

shapez

Ironicly, there was funding allocated to particular course(s) that requires Apply Macs and specific software for them.

Maxtor

shapez wrote: »

Ironicly, there was funding allocated to particular course(s) that requires Apply Macs and specific software for them.

hmmm yet the software is'nt on them...

rogue-entity

Macs are nice and shiney, but why would they have specific need for them, when a lot of the production software used is Windows based, or available for Windows. Macs no longer have the edge, particularly now since they're just glorified PCs in shiney cases.

Adobe's Video production software, is on Windows, and some of their stuff is only available on Windows (e.g. Ultra Edit).
Adobe's Music software, Audition is also available on Windows. In fact a lot of music production software is Windows, or Windows only.. Sybalius (sp?), CuBase, Anteres AutoTune and others.

I dont see what could really be gained, out of having Apple Macs.

I also have no idea what the deal with D01 was, it was like the Masters lab.. locked to anyone that didnt specifically have classes there.. what was it used for?

Honestly.. the only reason now that I would use the college computers.. is for printing and resetting my password. I use my two laptops for everything else.

ec18

the music course actually uses Apple's editing software so it's not available for windows :P And how are they glorified pcs? Just because they have intel chips? They run faster and are better than windows based boxes for audio/video and image editing......unless you disagree most of the computing industry

2Bv¬2B

^^^

I have a macbook pro, and editing video on it is amazing, i could never imagine doing the same on a windows machine and get the same quality at the same speed,

rogue-entity

What has an Apple Mac got, that a PC doesnt have, other than the OS. They are not, by any stretch, better than PCs at audio/video editing, they're on par. If Im going to edit video, Im going to use Adobe Premier Pro with After Effects, I can run these on a Mac or a PC.

Also, "the software industry" is the reason the college is teaching everyone Java instead of C++, when the majority of software applications out there, are written in C++, this is especially true for Linux. In fact it's rare that I ever come across a computer program that requires the Java runtime, but a lot of them require .NET.

The collage would do its students more favours by teaching them the applications that run on both systems (and save money by not having to invest in Macs, or Mac-specific software), and leave it to the students to decide what platform to use.

But let's not turn this into a Mac V Windows holy war, there's enough of those already on the internet. Im only making the fair point that Apple's hardware is more expensive, buying PCs would have saved money and teaching cross-platform software instead of windows-only or mac-only, is better.

ec18

rogue-entity wrote: »

What has an Apple Mac got, that a PC doesnt have, other than the OS. They are not, by any stretch, better than PCs at audio/video editing, they're on par. If Im going to edit video, Im going to use Adobe Premier Pro with After Effects, I can run these on a Mac or a PC.

Also, "the software industry" is the reason the college is teaching everyone Java instead of C++, when the majority of software applications out there, are written in C++, this is especially true for Linux. In fact it's rare that I ever come across a computer program that requires the Java runtime, but a lot of them require .NET.

The collage would do its students more favours by teaching them the applications that run on both systems (and save money by not having to invest in Macs, or Mac-specific software), and leave it to the students to decide what platform to use.

But let's not turn this into a Mac V Windows holy war, there's enough of those already on the internet. Im only making the fair point that Apple's hardware is more expensive, buying PCs would have saved money and teaching cross-platform software instead of windows-only or mac-only, is better.

You're a tool

stick-dan

ec18 wrote: »

You're a tool

I endorse this comment completely.

you obviously haven't a clue and have never worked in industry.Please refrain from talking through your arse.

Sully

Mod Note:

Cop the hell on you lot. Take your personal feeling elsewhere - attack the post and not the poster, regardless of how you feel.

stick-dan

No no it's not personal, it's just fact and some people are failing to see that. Macs are used in industry for design, if some people fail to acknowledge that common fact then it's not my fault they are acting of lesser intelligence. The use of macs is common knowledge, his post needs to be backed up if he doesn't want them type of comments in response.

maximumleo

rogue-entity wrote: »

What has an Apple Mac got, that a PC doesnt have, other than the OS. They are not, by any stretch, better than PCs at audio/video editing, they're on par. If Im going to edit video, Im going to use Adobe Premier Pro with After Effects, I can run these on a Mac or a PC.

Also, "the software industry" is the reason the college is teaching everyone Java instead of C++, when the majority of software applications out there, are written in C++, this is especially true for Linux. In fact it's rare that I ever come across a computer program that requires the Java runtime, but a lot of them require .NET.

The collage would do its students more favours by teaching them the applications that run on both systems (and save money by not having to invest in Macs, or Mac-specific software), and leave it to the students to decide what platform to use.

But let's not turn this into a Mac V Windows holy war, there's enough of those already on the internet. Im only making the fair point that Apple's hardware is more expensive, buying PCs would have saved money and teaching cross-platform software instead of windows-only or mac-only, is better.

Ok, what knowledge do you have in relation to industry? Have you worked in an industrial setting requiring you to develop applications in C++? Can you reference your sources of data wherein you have developed this hypothesis of the industry having sway with the actual languages being taught in 3rd level courses? As far as I can see, you are just pulling all of this out of your hole! Do you realise Java is cross platform compatible!? Do you realise that Apple hardware IS FACTUALLY BETTER! http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/reviews/4258725.html?page=4

Do you realise that the software written by Apple, for Apple performs significantly well on the getgo!? Have you ever recorded music on a Mac and a PC? I have, I've done it on both - yet the Mac platform offers a much easier to use interface, all-round feel, and HAS NOT EVER CRASHED FOR ME DURING A RECORDING! Data loss is bad, and I've never experienced this on my Mac, whereas I one lost an entire Semester's worth on a Windows machine. If you don't want to use a Mac, then don't, keep your opinion to yourself, stop talking about "industry", since obviously you have NO EXPERIENCE working in this setting! In short...


...YOU ARE A TOOL!
(^Highlight here))L!

rogue-entity

stick-dan wrote: »

No no it's not personal, it's just fact and some people are failing to see that. Macs are used in industry for design, if some people fail to acknowledge that common fact then it's not my fault they are acting of lesser intelligence. The use of macs is common knowledge, his post needs to be backed up if he doesn't want them type of comments in response.

First, you are making this personal, because you attacked me, and not my points. If I was wrong, you could have rebutted with a reason why, but you resorted to an ad hominem.
Second, I never said that Macs were not used in the 'industry for design'. I said a lot of the production software is windows-based or available for windows. This being an observation I made, back when I actually went looking for some of these tools for my Apple Macbook and finding that a number of the ones I wanted to mess about with, were Windows Only (Adobe Audition being one).
Third, the point in my previous post, was simply this: You don't need an Apple Mac, to learn Video and Music production, a lot of the software used, works on Windows too.

Also, Sully, Thanks, that would make it twice now?

stick-dan

rogue-entity wrote: »

First, you are making this personal, because you attacked me, and not my points. If I was wrong, you could have rebutted with a reason why, but you resorted to an ad hominem.

Ok so let me clarify, i have been in industry already and i have witnessed the usage of macs for design specific production and windows for your everyday work, thank you very much! care to enlighten me on your experience?

rogue-entity wrote: »

Second, I never said that Macs were not used in the 'industry for design'. I said a lot of the production software is windows-based or available for windows. This being an observation I made, back when I actually went looking for some of these tools for my Apple Macbook and finding that a number of the ones I wanted to mess about with, were Windows Only (Adobe Audition being one).

A lot of that software is windows based yes but the music production software the macs will be needed for in the college is obviously being used on macs because even if there is a windows equivalent it would probably just crash, macs are just better in these areas, why deprive the students of the best like?

rogue-entity wrote: »

Third, the point in my previous post, was simply this: You don't need an Apple Mac, to learn Video and Music production, a lot of the software used, works on Windows too.

A lot of music software can be done on windows, noone said it can't but it's not efficient. Mac OS does this so much better and if you own a macbook then you should know this. If you love windows so much why dont you go join the minute group of people who install windows over the highly efficient mac OS?

rogue-entity wrote: »

Also, Sully, Thanks, that would make it twice now?

now who's making it personal.

ec18

i retract my previous statement you are not a tool......you are the tool. The original human spanner. Sorry but could you just leave, go back to bending over for Mr Gates :P

rogue-entity

stick-dan wrote: »

Ok so let me clarify, i have been in industry already and i have witnessed the usage of macs for design specific production and windows for your everyday work, thank you very much! care to enlighten me on your experience?

See, I never claimed to have 'been in the industry' I stated an opinion based on my own personal observations, but you guys took it as a statement of fact, which it was not. If I should have been more clear on that, then I apologise.

stick-dan wrote: »

A lot of that software is windows based yes but the music production software the macs will be needed for in the college is obviously being used on macs because even if there is a windows equivalent it would probably just crash, macs are just better in these areas, why deprive the students of the best like?

Now this is what I wanted, someone to post a good counter point to my opinion. Maybe the windows versions would crash more, I've never used them enough to say for sure. But that isnt to say the Mac is a perfect system either, it can crash, and it does.
If the macs really are the best-of-the-best then maybe getting them in the college is a good thing. But in my experience with them, a mac is nothing special.

stick-dan wrote: »

A lot of music software can be done on windows, noone said it can't but it's not efficient. Mac OS does this so much better and if you own a macbook then you should know this. If you love windows so much why dont you go join the minute group of people who install windows over the highly efficient mac OS?

I no longer own one, I gave it to my sister for college and got a windows laptop. Im hardly a windows lover by any stretch, there's a reason I have a scathing hatred for Vista and still use XP, almost 6 years since it's release, and Windows Server 2003 on my desktop (thank you Dreamspark).

stick-dan wrote: »

now who's making it personal.

Actually, it wasnt a stab at you, it was a slight joke based on something Sully said to me before.

@ec18: No offence, but you come off like a real Mac fanboy. I have no like of Microsoft by any stretch, I just dont hate Windows like you do. I also dont hate macs either, I just think they are overpriced, like Sun servers.

And Im not going to further this debate because it's taking a good thread, off topic, over what is really, a heated difference of opinion. Stop taking things I say so personally, its an opinion, can I be wrong? Yes of course, you got a problem with me personally, throw me a PM.

stick-dan

No problem with ya mate, i've been on placement in industry and i've seen industries operate contrary to your opinion.Later,

personally i think the thread is still on topic.

jakedixon2004

ec18

rogue-entity wrote: »

@ec18: No offence, but you come off like a real Mac fanboy. I have no like of Microsoft by any stretch, I just dont hate Windows like you do. I also dont hate macs either, I just think they are overpriced, like Sun servers.

I'm not a mac fan boy i actually use asianux.......command line all the way!



















you're still a tool!

stick-dan

rogue-entity wrote: »

See, I never claimed to have 'been in the industry' I stated an opinion based on my own personal observations, but you guys took it as a statement of fact, which it was not. If I should have been more clear on that, then I apologise.

But sure your supposed to back up opinions by facts?

rogue-entity wrote: »

Now this is what I wanted, someone to post a good counter point to my opinion. Maybe the windows versions would crash more, I've never used them enough to say for sure. But that isnt to say the Mac is a perfect system either, it can crash, and it does.
If the macs really are the best-of-the-best then maybe getting them in the college is a good thing. But in my experience with them, a mac is nothing special.

The windows platform and software equivalants of mac software does crash frequently. I have personal experience of this using Lightroom and photoshop and I know which platform i would rather use it on. My workflow is better and more productive because i am not being held back by the slow and complex nature of windows. Windows equivilant of Mac software just doesn't work whereas vice versa the mac versions of windows software does.



@ec18:you use asianux, wtf is that, some asian form of linux.

jakedixon2004

BackTrack for the win.
It is one of the best OS's I have used in a long time and blows Ubuntu or any other distro of nix out of the water

http://remote-exploit.org/cgi-bin/fileget?version=bt4-prefinal-iso

Sully

rogue-entity wrote: »

Also, Sully, Thanks, that would make it twice now?

Not at all. I was referring to something far more serious then keyboard warriors on Boards.

Mod Note:
Keep you personal ****e out of his forum - this applies to everyone here. Thanks.

ec18 banned for continuing with the personal abuse.

Next person who comes in acting the maggot will not receive a warning and will be banned. Final warning. I don't care who you are attacking or what its about - Boards.ie rules still stand.

m3llowship

Laptops these days are accessories like anything else.
Why is everyone talking about performance and power and all that lark.

I am an avid Mac user. I like how easy it is to use and to be honest the second reason I bought it is because of how damn cool it looks!

I dont care if that sounds pretentious but come on. Everyone has a laptop now and of course we care how they look!!

If that wasnt the case, we would all walk around in multi purpose clothing that looked awful but worked really well..........just like your average windows machine. :rolleyes:

Anyway, as I said. "I am a Mac user and I have no problem admitting that a serious pull factor for my laptop is how cool I think it makes me look"

So if you have any problem with that.......get over yourself.

2Bv¬2B

Mod needs to get off his ass & get this thread back on track, it's not a Mac VS Windows thread.

Mac Room looks nice, and that little apple sticker on the window was a nice touch. Had a mess around with the music editing software myself it's a lot of fun, for those of us who can play the keyboard.

Anyone here actually using the Mac room for educational purposes?

Are the printers back working yet? I never had to print stuff so far this year however I do intend to shortly, I've noticed that printer/copier in the business building is back working, Have the printers in the IT building come back yet?

Sully

2Bv¬2B wrote: »

Mod needs to get off his ass & get this thread back on track, it's not a Mac VS Windows thread.

Excuse me? Have you read this thread at all? Do you understand what a moderator even looks like? Thats exactly what was attempted in post #26, by myself - the moderator of this forum. We are now in post #29. If people never made idiotic comments in the first place, this thread would have not went down the tube.

If you have a problem with the moderation of this forum, or any other forum, do send the mods a PM and we will try "get off [our] ass" to respond to your query rather then back seat moding and whining nonconstructive nonsense.

Thank You.

2Bv¬2B

I'm only saying it took 15 posts before this stupid argument ended, and was completely off topic.

I'd rather see this thread get back to the point. I'm just saying if I get an e-mail about a thread i'm interested in I would rather the content be about the thread. Not an argument between 2-3 people regarding something off topic.

Now, can we get back to the point?....

Sully

2Bv¬2B wrote: »

I'm only saying it took 15 posts before this stupid argument ended, and was completely off topic.

Do you honestly think I have nothing better to do and just sit around waiting for clowns to act up so I can sort it out? It happened within a very short time frame over one day (you added your weight remember). It started and ended within that short time frame. A very good response in terms of modding. I dont sit around all day looking to mod - when I am here, ill clean up what needs to be cleaned. Dont expect it to be in an instant.

I'd rather see this thread get back to the point. I'm just saying if I get an e-mail about a thread i'm interested in I would rather the content be about the thread. Not an argument between 2-3 people regarding something off topic.

1) The title suggest we are talking about Mac Rooms. The discussion was on the pros and cons of such, tho slightly more on Macs but mute point really.

2) Welcome to the internet. Nothing remains the same.

Anyway, lets get back on topic. If you have any further complaints, my Inbox awaits your PM.

mayordenis

Anyway - overall yes mac's are the platform with regards to design and nowadays music, image and more and more so web production.

I don't even use them myself but thats only cause old habits die hard with someone people and windows based PC's are what I know - I know there in's and out's - and being a desktop type the aesthetic appeal of mac's is something I don't care for, plus I make my own PC's so they are always nice.

Anyway I'm going slightly askew on this but Mac is the industry standard now for alot of things, I happen to know some microsoft offices have Mac's for certain design work they do. If students are to be prepared for industry they should be familiar with the tools they will be using and with Design it's going to be Mac Mac Mac for the foreseeable future.

I think there can be legitimate debate on the pro's on con's of Mac vs. Windows as long as it stays relevant to the topic if is there a need for them in the the College.

little mod note - just keep it civil everyone, if someones opinion is something you don't like, don't get into petty name calling. If someone steps out of line, report them, don't wste your time and put yourself in the position to recieve an infratction/ban and take the moral high ground.

2Bv¬2B

Mac's are nice and work, ever since I got one all I wanted to do is to find something about it to criticize. I can't If anything it's too easy to use.

I think whether we want to believe it or not, it is becoming a standard within industry and i think it's earned that reputation. It's good the college has them Dell's name is all over this College, couldn't hurt to have some Apples around.

I believe in some Art and Design course in College St they have a class on getting used to using Macs.

rayhartjnr

Great to see mac v p.c can create such hostility.

I dont think macs aren't necessarily "better" than P.C.

I'm no computer geek but; macs are undoubtedly more stable and allow for a better workflow ( I think).

anyway on the subject of that 'mac Lab' and massive wastage in the college;

It makes me wanna jump of the top floor of of I.T building every time I'm looking for a P.C and the only empty room is that 'mac lab' and I can't use 'em cause im not in a certain class, and often every one of 'em is idle and they're the most capable computers in the whole college... but i can't use them, they have to be kept in reserve for a special few.

How much extra of a registration fee will i have to pay to gain access to this super exclusive special room??

aswell;

them 'for display purposes only' card-swipe gate things they have at the entrance to the library. If you're in 1st year ya might not even be aware that they're for swipin' your WITcard as they haven't been use at all this semester.

but I still had to replace my WITcard (€20) so i could use it last year, this year they're being used as ornaments.

2Bv¬2B

rayhartjnr wrote: »

I'm no computer geek but; macs are undoubtedly more stable and allow for a better workflow ( I think).

How much extra of a registration fee will i have to pay to gain access to this super exclusive special room??

What can you do specifically on a Mac that you can't do on a PC? (And, no I don't want to hear a big speech on why Macs are better or worse than PC's You are obviously not a computing student so the most you could possibly need (for college work I assume) is Word, Excel, Powerpoint, and an Internet Browser.

The Mac Lab was intended for the likes of the Entertainment Systems courses those with a heavy influence on Music and design.

rayhartjnr

2Bv¬2B wrote: »

What can you do specifically on a Mac that you can't do on a PC? (And, no I don't want to hear a big speech on why Macs are better or worse than PC's You are obviously not a computing student so the most you could possibly need (for college work I assume) is Word, Excel, Powerpoint, and an Internet Browser.

The Mac Lab was intended for the likes of the Entertainment Systems courses those with a heavy influence on Music and design.

I'm an accounting student but I prefer to use Pages, Numbers and Keynote!

For me personally the one thing I do on macs that can't be done on any other platform is use Logic!

ec18

rayhartjnr wrote: »

I'm an accounting student but I prefer to use Pages, Numbers and Keynote!

For me personally the one thing I do on macs that can't be done on any other platform is use Logic!

numbers and pages are not as good as their office equivalents. So you really just want to use a mac. For any sort of computation excel is far superior to numbers

rayhartjnr

ec18 wrote: »

numbers and pages are not as good as their office equivalents. So you really just want to use a mac. For any sort of computation excel is far superior to numbers

It's a matter of personal taste, of course i want to use a mac... that's what I said wasn't it "I prefer to use numbers, Pages and keynote" ???

I think they're better computers to use so that's why i want to use them.

I wouldn't say they're superior or inferior, as far as i can see they have all they same functions, office programs aren't exactly cutting edge software so i don't think it makes much difference really, i just prefer macs for ease of workflow.

Don't get so confrontational about it! There's more to life that computers!

iseegirls

Seems work in D01 has stopped over the past few weeks. They just shud have left it the way it was :mad:

2Bv¬2B

rayhartjnr wrote: »

I think they're better computers to use so that's why i want to use them.

You do realise that PC and Mac share the same architecture.

rayhartjnr wrote: »

office programs aren't exactly cutting edge software

Nothing wrong with office for Mac, works brilliantly if you need to share office files between operating system.

I think Pages is a heap of rubbish, i'd rather use the notepad equivalent in Mac

Anyone in this thread actually using the Mac lab for their course? and I mean the likes of garage band etc, and not Pages or Numbers...

rayhartjnr

2Bv¬2B wrote: »

You do realise that PC and Mac share the same architecture.



Nothing wrong with office for Mac, works brilliantly if you need to share office files between operating system.

I think Pages is a heap of rubbish, i'd rather use the notepad equivalent in Mac

Anyone in this thread actually using the Mac lab for their course? and I mean the likes of garage band etc, and not Pages or Numbers...

if ya mean they both use intel processors, then yeah, I'm aware of that.

It's the O.S I think is better; never crashes or anything like that, I can't fault it in anyway, where as I find vista seriously clumsy, I can't help it, it's just what I think!

believe it or not I had to download office for mac yesterday as my assignments for my I.T skills module have to be done on office only!!

If anyone using that mac lab is watchin' this thread and they have a copy of logic 9; please P.M me cause I don't wanna download it!

rayhartjnr

iseegirls wrote: »

Seems work in D01 has stopped over the past few weeks. They just shud have left it the way it was :mad:

I seen about 5 builders standin' around it last week, couldn't say they were working as such!

what's going in there anyway?

2Bv¬2B

rayhartjnr wrote: »

It's the O.S I think is better; never crashes or anything like that, I can't fault it in anyway, where as I find vista seriously clumsy, I can't help it, it's just what I think!

Where in the college uses vista by the way?

rayhartjnr wrote: »

believe it or not I had to download office for mac yesterday as my assignments for my I.T skills module have to be done on office only!!

If anyone using that mac lab is watchin' this thread and they have a copy of logic 9; please P.M me cause I don't wanna download it!

Buy your own software, don't be a ***kl. If you need something you buy it. Apple accept laser cards which make it very easy to buy and they offer student discounts. So there is no excuse, and if you can afford a Mac I doubt you should have a problem paying for it.

http://store.apple.com/ie/product/MB788Z/A?mco=MTQwNzQyNTE Logic 9

http://store.apple.com/ie/product/TQ744LL/A?fnode=MTY1NDA0OA&mco=MTEyOTg3NjA Office for Mac

This thread seems to be awfully quiet, Have the printers been fixed? I will need to print stuff in the next few days and unfortunately I haven't been in much in the past week?

rayhartjnr

2Bv¬2B wrote: »

Buy your own software, don't be a ***kl. If you need something you buy it. Apple accept laser cards which make it very easy to buy and they offer student discounts. So there is no excuse, and if you can afford a Mac I doubt you should have a problem paying for it.

http://store.apple.com/ie/product/MB788Z/A?mco=MTQwNzQyNTE Logic 9

http://store.apple.com/ie/product/TQ744LL/A?fnode=MTY1NDA0OA&mco=MTEyOTg3NjA Office for Mac

This thread seems to be awfully quiet, Have the printers been fixed? I will need to print stuff in the next few days and unfortunately I haven't been in much in the past week?

ha, I'll keep that in mind.

Printers are grand as far as i can see!

ec18