Tommy Tiernan and the Jews.... A Bridge too Far ????

marcsignal

It looks like Tommy Tiernan might just have gone 'A Bridge too Far' this time. I can't see this one going away.

No link, but typed this from the Sunday Tribune today.

Tommy Tiernan has walked himself into controversy with a shocking Anti-Semitic triade in which he jokes he would have 'got' 10 or 12 million Jews during the Holocaust.
At a questions and answers session during the recent Electric Picnic festival the comedian launched an expletive-filled outburst against members of the Jewish community.

Tiernan said: "But these Jews, these fucking Jews come up to me. Fucking Christ killing bastards. Fucking six million? I would have got 10 or 12 million out of that. No fucking problem. Two at a time they would have gone. Hold hands, get in there, leave us your teeth and your glasses."

Jewish Fine Gael TD Alan Shatter branded the comments as 'Demented' and called Tiernans observation "A disgusting and unacceptable outburst"

Speaking to the Sunday Tribune, Shatter said: "He has quite clearly brought to the surface his own prejudices and what he said is more a commentary on his own prejudices ans perspectives. Rather than this being a comic presentation,it sounds more like the deranged demented ramblings of a complete fool, which I don't think reasonable people would remotely take seriously. Quite clearly what he had to say goes beyond the bounds of anything that is acceptable and certainly doesn't deserve being described as comedy"

Before making the remarks Tiernan said a comedy stage "is about allowing whatever lunacy is inside you to come out in a special protected environment where people know that nothing they say is being taken seriously"

Thoughts ??

Coriolanus

No worse than anything he's said about travellers, Downs Syndrome sufferers, blacks, or people from Navan.

paddypender

He just said what everyone else was thinking

wudangclan

it's important to put this in context.
there was a question and answers session at electric picnic.
one of the questions asked was about people coming up after gigs to complain about jokes. one anectode was about jewish people in america coming up and berating TT for making jokes about jews killing jesus.
i think the comments were made in this context ' i made this joke and to go on....'.
i think if jokes were made about the famine or the troubles in the north there wouldn't be much as much of an uproar...

Sharpshooter

He's a tool.

bonerjams03

Its not gonna inspier any huge anti-semetic outburst from the public. This is just giving what he said more attention, and probably wasn't intended as anything malicious.

Who cares?

Mossy Monk

marcsignal wrote: »

It looks like Tommy Tiernan might just have gone 'A Bridge too Far' this time. I can't see this one going away.

Electric Picnic was last week and I have only heard of this now. I can't see too many caring tbh.

35notout

Nevore wrote: »

No worse than anything he's said about travellers, Downs Syndrome sufferers, blacks, or people from Navan.

People from Navan deserve it though

pikachucheeks

Tommy Tiernan went "a bridge too far" years ago.

I can't understand how people find laughing at people with disabilities funny. There's a difference between a black sense of humour and being a f*cking arsehole.

wudangclan

35notout wrote: »

People from Navan deserve it though

yeah,but how would you feel if you were a black traveller from navan suffering from downs syndrome??

Coriolanus

35notout wrote: »

People from Navan deserve it though

Hell yes.

fintonie

tommy who

Otis Driftwood

TBH

Sharpshooter

wudangclan wrote: »

yeah,but how would you feel if you were a black traveller from navan suffering from downs syndrome??

Could always move out of navan.

SV

wudangclan wrote: »

yeah,but how would you feel if you were a black traveller from navan suffering from downs syndrome??

What a complex..



Anyway. I think it's funny. Onwards with the offensive material!

brummytom

It's a shame, he used to be funny.

When will people learn being 'shocking' doesn't make you funny, it just makes you a cunt?

35notout

wudangclan wrote: »

yeah,but how would you feel if you were a black traveller from navan suffering from downs syndrome??

I'd move - the rest I could deal with!

Bob_Harris

Jews are whiny cnuts.

marcsignal

wudangclan wrote: »

yeah,but how would you feel if you were a black traveller from navan suffering from downs syndrome??

well I guess I wouldn't feel as bad as a Jewish black traveller from navan suffering from downs syndrome??:pac:

Chinafoot

pikachucheeks wrote: »

Tommy Tiernan went "a bridge too far" years ago.

I can't understand how people find laughing at people with disabilities funny. There's a difference between a black sense of humour and being a f*cking arsehole.

Are you referring to his bit on Downs Syndrome? Have you actually seen it? The only thing there was the voice he put on. Other than that the jokes were highlighting how other people treat those with Downs Syndrome.

So many people came weighing in with their righteous outrage over this and some even admitted they hadn't seen or heard what he said. Thats funnier than the jokes themselves.

I don't get why some people think certain things have to be sacred. Its comedy...everything should be fair game really.

My name is URL

It's better to laugh about things than fight about them

Neamhshuntasach

feckin ****

Diabhal Beag

That's his American career opportunities ****ed down the drain so. Hasn't been funny since that Declan Moffit joke

Ann22

I used to love him, thought he was dead funny and he can still be at times but I've gone off him big time. He tries to be shocking for the publicity of it. An example of this would be when he was doing one of his US stand ups. He said 'i'd love to shoot a person' ...I thought this was amusing, then he said 'I'd like to shoot the Pope!'. This wasn't funny, not because I was offended or anything but he just went over the top.
I feel uncomfortable when he goes on about God and Jesus etc. That rant on the Late Late about Nigerian priests, remember that? He was on about 'Zebedee' up the tree. I was so feckin' irritated..it was 'Zachaeus' ffs you stupid b*stard!'
-and he shouts all the time, no need for it:mad:.

Sharpshooter

marcsignal wrote: »

well I guess I wouldn't feel as bad as a Jewish black traveller from navan suffering from downs syndrome??:pac:

Or a jewish black traveller from Navan attending a Tommy Tiernan gig.

Agricola

TT is a tosser. I have no time for the pc brigade and I normally wouldnt give a sh!t what any "edgy" comedian says about whatever group of people. But with him its a pure advertising excerise. Anyone whos seen that documentary about him tryin to "break America" will know hes a career obsessed nob who always only tryin to get himself more and more publicity. I dont even think hes actually said anything funny or clever in his life. Compared to Dara O Brian, hes a joke. His whole routine involves running around the stage, shoutin at the top of his voice, bashing the church, bashing minority groups etc etc, just to be as controversial as he possibly can!

If thats the comedy of the future we're fcuked.

**gets coat and head off down to the R&R forum

marcsignal

Nevore wrote: »

No worse than anything he's said about travellers, Downs Syndrome sufferers, blacks, or people from Navan.

paddypender wrote: »

He just said what everyone else was thinking

Interesting little video Here examining the psychology behind Tommy's particular 'brand' of humour

seems it's a way of subconsciously dealing with information overload

worth a look

wudangclan

i've laughed at disability jokes on south park.
paedophila jokes on south park/jimmy carr
jokes in jordan threads.
jokes about blacks/jews/chinese (i'm not racist when it comes to jokes)
i'm sorry but if it's funny i'll laugh (and i often laugh at myself because i don't take myself too seriously.)

edit: i don't find tommy tiernan funny ,not really my cup of tea,i'll take jimmy carrs or frankie boyles sick jokes over TT anyday.

brummytom

I've admitted before I find racist jokes funny.

This one just isn't funny though

Brian

Unfunny dick acts like an unfunny dick. Mmf.

pikachucheeks

Chinafoot wrote: »

Are you referring to his bit on Downs Syndrome? Have you actually seen it? The only thing there was the voice he put on. Other than that the jokes were highlighting how other people treat those with Downs Syndrome.

So many people came weighing in with their righteous outrage over this and some even admitted they hadn't seen or heard what he said. Thats funnier than the jokes themselves.

I don't get why some people think certain things have to be sacred. Its comedy...everything should be fair game really.

Yes, I've seen it. A friend made me watch it. I wouldn't voice an opinion on something I knew nothing about!

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, and personally, I find Tommy Tiernan a disgrace. He's rude, he's offensive and above all, he's not funny. He doesn't have natural wit - he just raises his voice and curses.
Any pissed idiot in the pub on a Saturday night could be a comedian, based on his standards.

I fail to see how making fun of disabled people is funny. It just seems a bit nasty, to me - considering that Tommy is able-bodied and is far more fortunate in life than anyone living with a disability.
Also, I'd argue that poking fun at disabled people helps to create social stigma and stereotypes.

That's just my two cents. If people chose to like him and his stand-up, fair enough, but it's not my cup of tea, for the reasons I've mentioned.

marcsignal

wudangclan wrote: »

i've laughed at disability jokes on south park.
paedophila jokes on south park/jimmy carr
jokes in jordan threads.
jokes about blacks/jews/chinese (i'm not racist when it comes to jokes)
i'm sorry but if it's funny i'll laugh (and i often laugh at myself because i don't take myself too seriously.)

have to agree. I do too. The vid link I posted above does something to explain why we do this, and, tbh I believe many people deal with 'serious' issues this way, from what I understand, it's a way of coping with them.

Sir Gallagher

I'm not a big fan of Tommy Teirnan, but this is just bullsh!t people who get offended by this kind of stuff are clowns, he's a comedian, it's a joke that might not be to a lot of peoples taste but its a joke nonetheless.

Speaking to the Sunday Tribune, Shatter said: "He has quite clearly brought to the surface his own prejudices and what he said is more a commentary on his own prejudices ans perspectives. Rather than this being a comic presentation,it sounds more like the deranged demented ramblings of a complete fool, which I don't think reasonable people would remotely take seriously. Quite clearly what he had to say goes beyond the bounds of anything that is acceptable and certainly doesn't deserve being described as comedy

No sh!t Shatter? that's the whole point of it, it's not supposed to be taken seriously you twat.

ragg

I don't know why people buy tickets to see this ****ing prat.

His whole comedy is to Roar the word F*uck at the top of his voice. I honestly think he doesn't have any other punchline.

How he has made a career out of it, i'll never know

biko

Tommys jokes can be hit and miss.
Replace Jews with Tutsis, still funny?

edit, actually no

Sir Gallagher

Jewish Fine Gael TD Alan Shatter branded the comments as 'Demented' and called Tiernans observation "A disgusting and unacceptable outburst"

So Sh!tter thinks its "unacceptable"? I wonder what punishment he'd like to dole out, a gag order on all Irish comedians who say anything remotely edgy? or prison even? Are we living in Iran or something?

I reckon Sh!tter is delighted with this great opportunity to get his name in the paper, fkin politicians, snakey w@nkers.

Bandit12

Love the guy. Funny as fu<k.

barakus

I quite like the guys response 'deranged demented ramblings of a complete fool'

Classy.

Oh and Tommy Tiernan please fvck off you offensive shouty grey-bearded self satisfied dickhead, you used to be funny but Im fvcked if I can remember when that was.

df1985

he was funny years ago, now he just rants on for the publicity.coked off his tits half the time i think tbh.sends him over the edge id say.

My name is URL

I don't like Tiernan but ffs, some people must.. who gives a shit what he says?.. he's hardly a fcuking spokesperson for you

I laugh at Pedobear jokes all the time.. does that mean I fancy children? NO!

I doubt Tommy has any intention of rounding up the jews and killing them in pairs, or rolling handicapped children down hills.. it's a joke.. if you take it seriously, wtf

Even if you don't find something funny, others will

and I bet there's things you find funny that others don't =p

syklops

All this is, is a little known Fine Gael TD getting his name in the Sindo.

The fact of the matter is he wanted something to comment about and it took him a week to hear about this Tommy Tiernan incident.

I dont know who I feel sorry for more, the guy who wrote the article, the editor who employed him, or the general population for buying the rag for publishing this stuff.

A Bridge Too Far? More like Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Non-story.

The guy

Not that I don't find that type of humour funny, it's just that he himself isn't funny and does it mostly for attention.

Sir Gallagher

It's not even about Tommy Teirnan it's more so about some ars3holes in this country calling for censorship, took us decades to get out from underneath that mentality we don't want to go back to those days.

thomond2006

Sharpshooter wrote: »

He's a funny tool.

Fixed.

Dartz

I always knew he was a gas man....

G_R

tbh if people dont like this kinda stuff then they just shouldnt listen to Tommy Tiernan. That's his kinda comedy, and what his audience finds funny.

He doesn't mean any harm by it (i seriously doubt he has plans to exterminate 12m Jews).

RadioGaGa

Dartz wrote: »

I always knew he was a gas man....

Oh dear... I laughed though

Dudess

He wasn't saying it to hurt Jews, he was basically real-life trolling because he knew it would piss people off - the way he has done so in the past. I still don't think it's funny though - it's just remarkably lacking in wit, and is attention-seeking.

Chinafoot wrote: »

I don't get why some people think certain things have to be sacred. Its comedy...everything should be fair game really.

I disagree. If a person's opinion is that everything should be fair game, then fair enough, but it's an opinion not everyone shares and that should be respected (I'm speaking in general here - not directing this at you).
A comedian doing a torturing-a-baby-to-death sketch in light of the Peter Connelly (Baby P) case... well some things surely are sacred.

fintonie

I lost a fortune meself this weekend the bitch I was with asked me to kiss her where it smells had to drive 80 miles to cavan

marcsignal

syklops wrote: »

A Bridge Too Far? More like Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Non-story.

Well yeah, I know what you mean. I'm just interested to see if inviting the wrath of the Jewish community will affect his career. I'd guess they have a little more punch than Romas, Downs Syndrome sufferers, people from Navan and Travellers. They certainly have more people in higher places than any of the other groups he's offended.

Interestingly, I went to Primary/National school in Terenure in the 70's and telling jokes like:"Did you hear about the Jew man that...... etc etc" really wasn't out of the ordinary, and Terenure has a good sized Jewish population, with the Synagogue there etc.

I observed that jokes like these became 'not kosher' to tell anymore by the 80's and rarely heard one in secondary school. However I have noticed jokes about Jews and the Holocaust are starting to re-appear.

I had a discussion about this with a few mates recently, and one view put forward was that these jokes are becoming a 'fuck you' gesture towards Jews and Israelies because of some peoples frustration over the Middle East, and a reaction to Holocaust overload, ie: that people are, at this stage, Holocausted out, and are unaffected by it anymore.

Not saying that is definitely the case, but I'm interested in posters opinions about this.

late edit*

Because of the 70s board game "Escape from Colditz", this was probably the most popular kids T-Shirt in Ireland and England at the time. Imagine sending your kid to school in one today?
Back then EVERY kid was wearing them, including me.

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kumate_champ07

pikachucheeks wrote: »

Tommy Tiernan went "a bridge too far" years ago.

I can't understand how people find laughing at people with disabilities funny. There's a difference between a black sense of humour and being a f*cking arsehole.

Isnt being from Navan a disability?