our wonderful justice system...

genericguy

i'm fcuking sick and tired of reading this shyte. some rapist cnut was convicted, released, rapes a woman 36 hours later. then he gets five years. now the same guy has been arrested for attacking a woman acouple of hours after being released again.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0916/dublin.html

if he doesn't get at least life with no possibility of release, then when he gets out i'm personally going to find him and smash his fcuking face in in advance. i'd also love to have a go at the judge who deemed it suitable to sentence him to five years the second time.

does anyone have the number for those dissidents who did such a good job in cavan?

and pinko liberals - shut the fcuk up, there's no rehabilitation for this cnut or any other rapist for that matter.

El Siglo

That's fucked up so it is. No way should that fucker be let on the streets again.

Zadkiel

If its who I think it is he was pretty fuc ked up as a kid too.
He was psychotic. And no there is no rehabilitation for them.
He needs to be locked up for the rest of his life, the only way women in Ireland will be safe is if he spends the rest of his life in prison or someone kills him, would hate to see someone ruining their own life to put him down though.

DamoDLK

The chap is ill, what can you do?.. hard one to call.

Oliver1985

All these scum bags should be left on a island and just left there along with all the junkies and tracksuit knackers!!

DamoDLK

Oliver1985 wrote: »

All these scum bags should be left on a island and just left there along with all the junkies and tracksuit knackers!!

Yeah but Australia is running out of space...

therogue

Wont somebody please think of the children.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

DamoDLK wrote: »

Yeah but Australia is running out of space...

... and it has women, too.

Simple idea, expressed again: if there's a high chance of reoffending (or it's already happened) judges should have an option to detain indefinitely, even if he's finished his sentence. We have a Central Mental Hopsital for cases like this.

Biggins

Three strikes... your out.

Chemical castration.

Mind you, if this was China, by now it would be a case of placing a small metal projectile into the back of a skull, ejected from a hand held utility.
There's a lot to be said for China sometimes!

Min

Free on two occasions over the past 14 years for about 50 hours in total and two women attacked.

I wonder will the justice system get the message or will it be all compassion for the offender, a silly sentence and then free again to do what he is able to do in society - try and destroy the lives of others before he is arrested again.

I don't have much faith in the justice system, seems more vered towards the offenders than the victims.

DamoDLK

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Simple idea, expressed again: if there's a high chance of reoffending (or it's already happened) judges should have an option to detain indefinitely, even if he's finished his sentence. We have a Central Mental Hopsital for cases like this.

Agree in principle, but then there will be the other sides argument of the costs associated with an indefinite detention period, vis the burden on the State.

ejmaztec

Biggins wrote: »

Three strikes... your out.

Chemical castration.

Mind you, if this was China, by now it would be a case of placing a small metal projectile into the back of a skull, ejected from a hand held utility.
There's a lot to be said for China sometimes!

Would these be the "organ donors"? At least they eventually get to make a positive contribution to society, even if they're not around to attend an awards ceremony.

Oliver1985

The state waste so much money on prisons , they should make they like prisons in other countrys 20 people in a room and hardley no food!!! Maybe some whipping to!!

DonkeyStyle \o/

Talk to Joe?

Prof.Badass

genericguy wrote: »

and pinko liberals - shut the fcuk up, there's no rehabilitation for this cnut or any other rapist for that matter.

Don't you realise false claims of rape are incredibly common?

Please think about what you type before you type it.

CreepingDeath

Biggins wrote: »

if this was China, by now it would be a case of placing a small metal projectile into the back of a skull, ejected from a hand held utility.

Ah office staplers, what can't they do...

Biggins

Originally Posted by Biggins
...if this was China, by now it would be a case of placing a small metal projectile into the back of a skull, ejected from a hand held utility.

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Ah office staplers, what can't they do...

Staple together a good series of long term sentencing for scum like the OP mentioned!

chin_grin

I'm all for vigilantism. Who's with me? Oh.................dern!

genericguy

chin_grin wrote: »

I'm all for vigilantism. Who's with me? Oh.................dern!

can you swing a sack of doorknobs?

Poor Uncle Tom

Current incarseration techniques are not working, what to do?

Get medieval on his ass.

Johnny Weasel

genericguy wrote: »

if he doesn't get at least life with no possibility of release, then when he gets out i'm personally going to find him and smash his fcuking face in in advance.

I doubt you would actually. Keyboard warriors don't make good fighters. Stick to the mortal kombat on your Wii like a good lad.

genericguy

vinylmesh wrote: »

Don't you realise false claims of rape are incredibly common?

Please think about what you type before you type it.

no, you think about what you're typing. a person falsely accused of rape is not a rapist.

genericguy

Johnny Weasel wrote: »

I doubt you would actually. Keyboard warriors don't make good fighters. Stick to the mortal kombat on your Wii like a good lad.

therre's a lovely row of trophies on my shelf that would indicate that i'm a little more than a keyboard warrior. doubt all you like though, you'll thank me when he doesn't rape your granny.

Johnny Weasel

genericguy wrote: »

therre's a lovely row of trophies on my shelf that would indicate that i'm a little more than a keyboard warrior. doubt all you like though, you'll thank me when he doesn't rape your granny.

My gran was actually raped by a family member some years ago. Thanks for bringing back up that painful chapter in my life.

chin_grin

Hang on lads. Cart/Horse and all that. So the debate (heated) is about our terrible judicial system. But as a species we're terrible judges of character. That's why the system fails, and why it's fallible.

You have emotion come to play to the guard that lets the little pie ball (sorry for the generalisation) off with a warning only to have that recently reprimanded individual don a balaclava and rob his local offy.

Yeah, clutching at straws there, but bear in mind that we're fickle as a race. And we can and have and will make bad judgements. Even those in learned and higher positions. And have studied law most of their lives.

It's easy to lash out, even easier to pre-judge.

What I'm getting at is vigilantism..........:pac: (Just to end my rambling).

ejmaztec

Johnny Weasel wrote: »

My gran was actually raped by a family member some years ago. Thanks for bringing back up that painful chapter in my life.

.....meanwhile, under the bridge....

genericguy

Johnny Weasel wrote: »

My gran was actually raped by a family member some years ago. Thanks for bringing back up that painful chapter in my life.

I saw that coming so early i was already on the next page.


so back on topic - castration by pliers or shears?

chin_grin

genericguy wrote: »

so back on topic - castration by pliers or shears?

I've actually posted this video on boards before.

Here I go again! (NSFW!)

genericguy

chin_grin wrote: »

I've actually posted this video on boards before.

Here I go again! (NSFW!)

chin grin has won this thread, thanks to everyone else for playing.

/thread

Biggins

chin_grin wrote: »

I've actually posted this video on boards before.

Here I go again! (NSFW!)

Poor Camilla! Prince Charles is going to be pissed!

Nodin

genericguy wrote: »

i i'd also love to have a go at the judge who deemed it suitable to sentence him to five years the second time.
.

The sentencing is based on precedent. It's quite difficult for a Judge to hand out a life sentence for rape and have it survive a trip to the court of appeal. Essentially the law would have to be rewritten to make harsher sentencing easier. This isn't to say there haven't been some strange decisions over the years, but one must remember that Judges do not have a free hand in these matters.

Bob_Harris

<insert hilarious The_Citizen reference here>

The_Kew_Tour

Just read OP and totally agree.

I think any man who rapes another woman should be castrated.

I dont care what the goody good people of this island think its the most sickening and low thing you could ever do to any girl, lady or man for thta matter.

we need to punish the guilty not the innocent

Prof.Badass

genericguy wrote: »

no, you think about what you're typing. a person falsely accused of rape is not a rapist.

How are we supposed to be able to tell the difference between someone falsely convicted of rape and an actual rapist?

chin_grin

vinylmesh wrote: »

How are we supposed to be able to tell the difference between someone falsely convicted of rape and an actual rapist?

DNA?

listermint

chin_grin wrote: »

DNA?

Consensual??

Robbo

vinylmesh wrote: »

How are we supposed to be able to tell the difference between someone falsely convicted of rape and an actual rapist?

Quite obviously through some kind of witch trial.

genericguy

vinylmesh wrote: »

How are we supposed to be able to tell the difference between someone falsely convicted of rape and an actual rapist?

man, i see where you're coming from, but i'd advocate a heavy sentence for a single rape, but in the case that the same person is accused again, that to me would reduce the likelihood that he was innocent to virtually nil, so I would have no gripe with a whole-life sentence there.

and DNA is not a safeguard against false accusations, because you're leaving it everywhere you go, you may have had consensual sex with somebody etc.

DamoDLK

Robbo wrote: »

Quite obviously through some kind of witch trial.

Salem all over again.. :rolleyes:

Chuck the alleged offender in a lake if he sinks he was innocent and drowns, if he be guilty he will float to the top and fly away thus proving that he is a witch or er... a rapist?

Nodin's got it right all the same if a Judge hands out a long sentence the chances are that it will be appealed and that would entail putting the victim through the process of giving evidence again. Whereas if he gives out a 5/6 year sentence there is less chance of an appeal being successful.

genericguy

Nodin wrote: »

The sentencing is based on precedent. It's quite difficult for a Judge to hand out a life sentence for rape and have it survive a trip to the court of appeal. Essentially the law would have to be rewritten to make harsher sentencing easier. This isn't to say there haven't been some strange decisions over the years, but one must remember that Judges do not have a free hand in these matters.

again this is a very valid point, but when the man's been convicted of the same thing before the sentence should be increased exponentially.

walshb

Biggins wrote: »

Three strikes... your out.

Chemical castration.

Mind you, if this was China, by now it would be a case of placing a small metal projectile into the back of a skull, ejected from a hand held utility.
There's a lot to be said for China sometimes!

Why three strikes? To me, that is two too many!

Nodin

Indeedy, to get life it has to be a 'uniquely' bad example of the crime (or words to that effect). As a result, they're quite rarely handed out. Thus when its said that rape carries a maximum life sentence its true, but in actuality its with a very large caveat attached.

I've no idea of if the law could be changed, or any problems with doing so, I might add. I'm not a legal eagle. Which is why there isn't going to be a big number to pay at the end of this post, for the privilege of reading my opinion.

DamoDLK

genericguy wrote: »

again this is a very valid point, but when the man's been convicted of the same thing before the sentence should be increased exponentially.

I reckon your right, for a repeat offender the penalty ought to be a real deterrent.

The Castration of Bulls Act comes to mind!.

Edit: CONTROL OF BULLS FOR BREEDING ACT, 1985!

walshb

I understand the issue concerning a life sentence; but I think that
a second conviction for a crime that can carry a first term life sentence, should see
a life sentence activated

So, two strikes and you are out....Or, if the first is particularly heinous with
aggravated circumstances, then LIFE!

Biggins

walshb wrote: »

Why three strikes? To me, that is two too many!

First one. An error.
Second one: Your not learning from your mistakes!
Third one: A clear indication that a. the offender is ignoring the rule of law, not learning from mistakes and b. ultimately showing trend of re-offending and not just a possible slip-up (as the offender at that stage might claim!) as in the second case.

Nodin

genericguy wrote: »

again this is a very valid point, but when the man's been convicted of the same thing before the sentence should be increased exponentially.

I would have thought that in the case of being convicted a second time, the guilty would have been judged to be a 'continuing danger to women/society' and thus gotten a much harder sentence. As these things aren't explained to us common folk, I can't say why it didn't occur here.

Nodin

Biggins wrote: »

First one. An error.
Second one: Your not learning from your mistakes!
Third one: A clear indication that a. the offender is ignoring the rule of law, not learning from mistakes and b. ultimately showing trend of re-offending and not just a possible slip-up (as the offender at that stage might claim!) as in the second case.

Actually, in the case of sex offences, you're showing that you're a repeat predator, quite possibly severely dysfunctional and in need of detention at some medical centre for some period of time, if not indefinitely.

DamoDLK

I have to say the 3 strike principle in California works quite well with their drug problem, if we could successfully adopt similar protocol in Ireland, it could work very well in this and similar instances.

Oliver1985

DamoDLK wrote: »

I have to say the 3 strike principle in California works quite well with their drug problem, if we could successfully adopt similar protocol in Ireland, it could work very well in this and similar instances.

How does that work with the 3 strikes?

Nodin

DamoDLK wrote: »

I have to say the 3 strike principle in California works quite well with their drug problem, if we could successfully adopt similar protocol in Ireland, it could work very well in this and similar instances.

In all honesty, I think we'd be better looking at how various European states deal with things, rather than the US.

DamoDLK

Oliver1985 wrote: »

How does that work with the 3 strikes?

If a person has one previous serious or violent felony conviction, the sentence for any new felony conviction is twice the term otherwise required under law for the new conviction. Offenders sentenced by the courts under this provision are often referred to as “second strikers.”

Third Strike Offense. If a person has two or more previous serious or violent felony convictions, the sentence for any new felony conviction (not just a serious or violent felony) is life imprisonment with the minimum term being 25 years. Offenders convicted under this provision are frequently referred to as “third strikers.”