Prostitution

Orla K

Alright, if it were legal and it was a socially acceptable job, seen as something someone would do as a part time job not as a career. And the risk of STIs were minimal. Would you do it if you needed the extra cash (stereotype but for example throughout college)? And why/why not?

Mods, hopefully you'll see this tread as being alright for here.


I for one wouldn't, I'm very picky about who I sleep with.

Lockstep

I wouldn't personally, I'm pretty conservative in that regard.


Then again, it's absolutely none of my business who someone wants to sleep with, if they want to put money into the equation and both partys are consenting, then it's not something I feel should be penalised.

Wibbs

In theory I would go along with kickoutthejams, in practice can be the problem. I've known a couple of women who did this years back for extra cash. The whole "high end" escort lark. Some needed the cash, but some did it for a bit extra and some did it for a bit of a laugh. These were women whose bearing and careers you would never think would be in that game too. Some were badly affected by it, some less. Mostly what I noted was their attitude and opinion of men was pretty low. Lower than standard anyway. I think any sex worker even at the stripper/lap dancer end can face that. I do think it should be made legal with guidelines as it would help protect the women.

minidazzler

Technically in this country you can legally pay someone for their time and have sex with them. Escorts are legal here. It's street-walking and curb-crawling that's against the law.

Me, I actually wouldn't mind being a Male Escort so much. But I would prefer that rather than be the type of escort who has clients call over to me just for sex I would do it more high-end. Go on dates with the clients, all female, that ends the way it is supposed to.

So what I am saying is, I would not be a Male Prostitute, but would give being a Male Escort a go for the laugh. I have no plans to do it soon though.

aranrn

Wibbs wrote: »

In theory I would go along with kickoutthejams, in practice can be the problem. I've known a couple of women who did this years back for extra cash. The whole "high end" escort lark. Some needed the cash, but some did it for a bit extra and some did it for a bit of a laugh. These were women whose bearing and careers you would never think would be in that game too. Some were badly affected by it, some less. Mostly what I noted was their attitude and opinion of men was pretty low. Lower than standard anyway. I think any sex worker even at the stripper/lap dancer end can face that. I do think it should be made legal with guidelines as it would help protect the women.

This is just another lazy example of the kind of cheesy moral relativism that's besieging this country and exactly the reason why it's going down the tubes.

stovelid

If I was single, I probably wouldn't mind sleeping with attractive women for decent money, but as pointed out, in practice it could be very different.

Especially as the version in your head (attractive partners, mutual attraction, lack of guilt/no damage to esteem) is basically an idealized (paid) one-night stand which is obviously probably not what would actually transpire.

I do support legal and policed prostitution though. Just so long as it's an elective transaction with the prostitute in sole control: no pimps, trafficking or other coercive elements.

ballsymchugh

minidazzler wrote: »

Technically in this country you can legally pay someone for their time and have sex with them. Escorts are legal here. It's street-walking and curb-crawling that's against the law.

Me, I actually wouldn't mind being a Male Escort so much. But I would prefer that rather than be the type of escort who has clients call over to me just for sex I would do it more high-end. Go on dates with the clients, all female, that ends the way it is supposed to.

So what I am saying is, I would not be a Male Prostitute, but would give being a Male Escort a go for the laugh. I have no plans to do it soon though.

are you just looking for a regular ride with presents and the like?!

i dated a girl once who told me about an hour into the date that she wanted to be an escort. when i asked why, she said that she wanted to be brought to top hotels in paris for the weekend and have loads money spent on her. so, that was the end of my chances!

scanlas

aranrn wrote: »

This is just another lazy example of the kind of cheesy moral relativism that's besieging this country and exactly the reason why it's going down the tubes.

People have been saying things like that all over the world for millenia, and on average things have been getting alot better.

minidazzler

ballsymchugh wrote: »

are you just looking for a regular ride with presents and the like?!

i dated a girl once who told me about an hour into the date that she wanted to be an escort. when i asked why, she said that she wanted to be brought to top hotels in paris for the weekend and have loads money spent on her. so, that was the end of my chances!

Nope, I just like the thought of making money for doing SFA really. If I wanted regular presents I''d go out of my way to find a Sugar Momma.

That girl has 2 hopes of becoming an escort like that. No Hope and Bob hope, I am pretty sure Bob is dead. She watched Pretty Woman WAY to much.

panda100

minidazzler wrote: »

Me, I actually wouldn't mind being a Male Escort so much. But I would prefer that rather than be the type of escort who has clients call over to me just for sex I would do it more high-end. Go on dates with the clients, all female, that ends the way it is supposed to.

I think very,very few escorts go on actual dates with clients. I think there is a bit of a myth about high end escorts getting to go on dates to expensive restaurants,weekends away and are entertained in lavish hotels.A quick look on escort Ireland would suggest that 'high end' escorts don't even really exist.The vast vast majority of escorts usually meet a client for 30 mins for sex and sexual acts.There is not usually dates involved.


I think If your getting paid to have sex with someone then you are providing a service. Therefore sex is about the clients enjoyment and not yours. Personally,I think sex is something that should be a mutual act of enjoyment. I think I'm too much of a selfish lover to lavish all my attention on the guy all the time Though in these recessionary times its something I can see that would be very,very tempting to many women

Anyone read the Belle de Jour "Confessions of a call girl" book? I think she had a warped view of men and relationships, something that must stem from selling sex as a living. I agree with wibbs and personally I think I would lose a lot of trust and faith in men in this type of work.

minidazzler

Panda, I know it's not all roses, however it is an interesting thing, to make €200 for n hours work. But I will more than likely never do it.

Not enough money in it really given there would be relatively few customers for male escorts!

beks101

On the basis that one-night-stands always made me feel uneasy about myself, it'd be a definite No for me.

If I can't even have no-strings sex with someone I'm attracted to, on both our terms, I doubt I'd deal too well with doing the deed with several, many I'm sure I wouldn't be attracted to, in exchange for money.

But that's just me

Morlar

ballsymchugh wrote: »

i asked why, she said that she wanted to be brought to top hotels in paris for the weekend and have loads money spent on her

I seriously doubt that that is the reality of it for 99.999% of them, (& yes I just made that statistic up).

Dudess

Couldn't do it - I don't place sex on a pedestal (none of that "wait until the third date" lark) but at the same time, I wouldn't enjoy it if I wasn't attracted to the guy at some level (I don't have to be in love with him, he doesn't have to be an adonis, but there's gotta be something there) so sex as a business transaction I just could not do. That's just me though.

aranrn wrote: »

This is just another lazy example of the kind of cheesy moral relativism that's besieging this country and exactly the reason why it's going down the tubes.

Could you elaborate? You didn't highlight anything specific in the post.

aranrn

scanlas wrote: »

People have been saying things like that all over the world for millenia, and on average things have been getting alot better.

That's such a glib assertion I'm not sure where to start. How exactly have things been getting better? It seems to me you're suggesting that the proliferation of liberal attitudes towards the prostitution of women is a measure of our progress as a society.

aranrn

aranrn wrote: »

That's such a glib assertion I'm not sure where to start. How exactly have things been getting better? It seems to me you're suggesting that the proliferation of liberal attitudes towards the prostitution of women is a measure of our progress as a society.

Yeah, prostitution is such a new thing and all

p.s. it seems you were using it as a measure as well if you're convinced this is why society is going down the drain...

aranrn

bluewolf wrote: »

Yeah, prostitution is such a new thing and all

p.s. it seems you were using it as a measure as well if you're convinced this is why society is going down the drain...

You misunderstood. I was making the point that this chap seems to think that prostitution is progressive, that it's evidence that things are "a lot better". I don't see how the enslavement of women can be seen as progressive. I hope that makes it clearer for you because you seem to be in difficulty with the concept.

liah

aranrn wrote: »

You misunderstood. I was making the point that this chap seems to think that prostitution is progressive, that it's evidence that things are "a lot better". I don't see how the enslavement of women can be seen as progressive. I hope that makes it clearer for you because you seem to be in difficulty with the concept.

You seem to have difficulty understanding what the good points of legalized prostitution are. Also, prostitution is hardly "progressive." It's the most ancient profession on the planet.

1) Prostitution is never going to go away. It always has existed, it always will exist.
2) Due to this fact, legalizing prostitution makes the business safer for the women involved in it. If you can't beat it, you might as well regulate it and that way a lot less women will get diseases, beaten, or even killed. They'll have the opportunity to health care and to report any crime or violence against them which they can't currently do.

How is this a bad thing? Keeping it criminalized makes the world a much worse place-- pimps, gangs, drugs, violence, all of it entirely unregulated, leaving the women unprotected and at the mercy of whoever has the biggest gun.

I would genuinely like to hear how legalized prostitution makes it worse on the women. And you can't just say "well prostitution shouldn't exist at all," because it always has and always will, and if you're arguing about women's rights, plenty of women choose to do it.

dyl10

The broader concept of prostitution is one I struggle to make up my mind with.
I do think there are certain borders that we shouldn't cross, for society to keep it's moral integrity. I can never quite categorise prostitution.

I don't think I'd work as a prostitute, desensitising sex to that degree wouldn't appeal to me, as a man.

minidazzler

dyl10 wrote: »

The broader concept of prostitution is one I struggle to make up my mind with.
I do think there are certain borders that we shouldn't cross, for society to keep it's moral integrity. I can never quite categorise prostitution.

I don't think I'd work as a prostitute, desensitising sex to that degree wouldn't appeal to me, as a man.

Some would argue that it's been a long time since society had Moral integrity.

Lockstep

liah wrote: »

You seem to have difficulty understanding what the good points of legalized prostitution are. Also, prostitution is hardly "progressive." It's the most ancient profession on the planet.

1) Prostitution is never going to go away. It always has existed, it always will exist.
2) Due to this fact, legalizing prostitution makes the business safer for the women involved in it. If you can't beat it, you might as well regulate it and that way a lot less women will get diseases, beaten, or even killed. They'll have the opportunity to health care and to report any crime or violence against them which they can't currently do.

How is this a bad thing? Keeping it criminalized makes the world a much worse place-- pimps, gangs, drugs, violence, all of it entirely unregulated, leaving the women unprotected and at the mercy of whoever has the biggest gun.

I would genuinely like to hear how legalized prostitution makes it worse on the women. And you can't just say "well prostitution shouldn't exist at all," because it always has and always will, and if you're arguing about women's rights, plenty of women choose to do it.

I once suggested legalising prostituiton at a certain party's youth conference and was torn to shreds, arguments used against it;

1) Prostitution is about power and we shouldnt be facilitating this
2)No girl ever dreams about growing up to be a prostitute
3)only poor people become prostitutes
4)NOone ever chooses to do it and so on

I was a bit surprised to be honest, women who had earlier talked about a woman's right to choose "to do what she wants with her own body" (in relation to abortion) were demonising the idea in relation to sex.

neuro-praxis

I'm in favour of legalising it for the safety of the women involved.

However I'm completely against the commodification of the body so no, I'd never do it, and I'd be so sad and worried if anyone I loved was a prostitute.

dyl10

kickoutthejams wrote: »

1) Prostitution is about power and we shouldnt be facilitating this
2)No girl ever dreams about growing up to be a prostitute
3)only poor people become prostitutes
4)NOone ever chooses to do it and so on

I was a bit surprised to be honest, women who had earlier talked about a woman's right to choose "to do what she wants with her own body" (in relation to abortion) were demonising the idea in relation to sex.

I wouldn't agree with 1). That being said, the other 3 options are pretty much the same argument and do present a strong case. I think most people would accept, that the majority of people who "sell" their body would have few alternative career options and such end up in prostitution due to circumstance as opposed to choice.
The same could be said for people doing dangerous work, risking their lives on oil rigs but I suppose there are counter arguments to that as well.

liah wrote:

Due to this fact, legalizing prostitution makes the business safer for the women involved in it. If you can't beat it, you might as well regulate it

I don't disagree with your argument, but do you feel the same about hard drugs and assisted suicide?

minidazzler

kickoutthejams wrote: »

I once suggested legalising prostituiton at a certain party's youth conference and was torn to shreds, arguments used against it;

1) Prostitution is about power and we shouldnt be facilitating this
2)No girl ever dreams about growing up to be a prostitute
3)only poor people become prostitutes
4)NOone ever chooses to do it and so on

I was a bit surprised to be honest, women who had earlier talked about a woman's right to choose "to do what she wants with her own body" (in relation to abortion) were demonising the idea in relation to sex.

I know these aren't your arguements but these are my rebuttals.

1. Facilitation brings safety.
2. I would say the same about girls growing up to be waitresses. Lets close alll restaurants.
3. Bulllsh1t, there are plenty of Middle-class student prostitutes out there.
4. Yes, there are women who choose to be escorts and prostitutes.

The problem with these liberal types is they are mostly pick and choose what they specifically would do with their bodies and they hold this for everyone else. I am very liberal myself but I am generally not the hypocritical type!

Lockstep

dyl10 wrote: »

I wouldn't agree with 1). That being said, the other 3 options are pretty much the same argument and do present a strong case. I think most people would accept, that the majority of people who "sell" their body would have few alternative career options and such end up in prostitution due to circumstance as opposed to choice.
The same could be said for people doing dangerous work, risking their lives on oil rigs but I suppose there are counter arguments to that as well.

That's exactly it though;
Most of us are constrained by a lack of options, I never dreamed about stacking shelves or lifing crates of meat in a cavernous deep-freezer.
It was still something I did simply as I needed money and they were what was on offer.
Few dream of being cleaners, secretaries, dish-washers etc, but these are still things that people do.


Minidazzler; those were the arguments I used, sadly the motion was viewed as a "disgrace"

liah

dyl10 wrote: »

I don't disagree with your argument, but do you feel the same about hard drugs and assisted suicide?

Yes, I do.

People should have the freedom to do with their bodies what they please. It's a basic human right to have control over your own body, what goes into it, or what is done to it. Just because someone else thinks it's wrong doesn't give them the right to tell them not to do it.

Nothingcompares

I really don't know what I'd say if I had a conversation with a prostitute? Would I sympathize with her for having, in my opinion, the worst job in the world? Would that be condascending? I certainly wouldn't patronise her with advice. Nor would I assume her life is a misery. I don't know how you could do it unless you 'had to'. I can only imagine the primary routes into the profession are the typical - drugs, mental illness (hers or someone close), abuse (parental, spousal), poverty, all the other social hardships of the underprivileged.

Perhaps one in a million prostitutes are these Pretty Woman characters, I'd imagine a significant portion are borderline children (although i'm sure there are many child prostitutes) who are cohereced into it.

Would legalisling it get rid of all the manipulation, exploitation, abuse? I don't think so. I think it could possibly reduce it.

Personally speaking, as a man, I'd never ever visit/use a prostitute and would do my utmost to prevent anyone I know from doing it.

dyl10

liah wrote: »

Just because someone else thinks it's wrong doesn't give them the right to tell them not to do it.

Do you feel as a society, we have any obligation to do what "we" deem to be in the best interest of people, even if sometimes it does interfere with pure free will?

Someone who has what we describe as a mental illness affecting the mind, for instance. Do you think we should try to "help" them, even if they wish to be left to their own devices?(as is often the case with people who aren't, in our definition, the "right" frame of mind)

(Apologies for the probing, not trying to get at you. I'm curious about what you think and I'm trying to get a real grasp of how I feel about the issue. Feel free to ignore me )

Jeanious

liah wrote: »

Yes, I do.

People should have the freedom to do with their bodies what they please. It's a basic human right to have control over your own body, what goes into it, or what is done to it. Just because someone else thinks it's wrong doesn't give them the right to tell them not to do it.

+1.

My views on prostitution are very much the same as those i have on abortion: who the fcuk is a 60 year old judge, or someone like Dermot Ahern to be able to tell a 25 year old woman what she can and cant do with her own body? Its a fact of life that prostitution is here and it aint goin away anytime soon, so lets take out fcukin heads outta the sand a recognise that fact.

As far as i can tell, legalisation is the only thing that will do any good whatsoever for the women involved, and dare i say, it might even make a bit of much-needed tax revenue for our esteemed overlords. (Though what would the Archbishop think?! :rolleyes::rolleyes: Seriously i think that sort of parochial attitude really holds us back in matters such as this, the sort of good Catholic Ireland mentality, where the lawmakers dont wanna upset the oul folk, to the absolute detriment of our progression as a nation)


On a related note, did anyone see the Sunday Wurdild's article on "bukkake parties"? Holy fcuk, lines such as "our bukkake-busting investigation team", "middle-class phenomenon sweeping the nation" and "a bukkake party could be happening right now near YOU!" were in abundance, and made it sound like "bukkake party" was some type of bogeyman that was gonna come into your bedroom and "get ya!"

4 words: "Why...Do....You...Care"?!
It's peoples choice to do what they want in their own homes and with their own bodies for fcuks sake.

liah

Nothingcompares wrote: »

I really don't know what I'd say if I had a conversation with a prostitute? Would I sympathize with her for having, in my opinion, the worst job in the world? Would that be condascending? I certainly wouldn't patronise her with advice. Nor would I assume her life is a misery. I don't know how you could do it unless you 'had to'. I can only imagine the primary routes into the profession are the typical - drugs, mental illness (hers or someone close), abuse (parental, spousal), poverty, all the other social hardships of the underprivileged.

Perhaps one in a million prostitutes are these Pretty Woman characters, I'd imagine a significant portion are borderline children (although i'm sure there are many child prostitutes) who are cohereced into it.

Would legalisling it get rid of all the manipulation, exploitation, abuse? I don't think so. I think it could possibly reduce it.

Personally speaking, as a man, I'd never ever visit/use a prostitute and would do my utmost to prevent anyone I know from doing it.

How about asking her how SHE felt about it? If she wants sympathy, give it to her. If she's happy with her profession, be happy for her. It doesn't matter how you feel about it, you're not the one doing it. She is.

I think if legalizing it reduced it even a tiny percentage it would be better than doing nothing and letting it continue as it is. If even a few women's qualities of life are improved, doesn't that make it worth it?

IMO it would drastically reduce it.

dyl10 wrote: »

Do you feel as a society, we have any obligation to do what "we" deem to be in the best interest of people, even if sometimes it does interfere with pure free will?

Someone who has what we describe as a mental illness affecting the mind, for instance. Do you think we should try to "help" them, even if they wish to be left to their own devices?(as is often the case with people who aren't, in our definition, the "right" frame of mind)

(Apologies for the probing, not trying to get at you. I'm curious about what you think and I'm trying to get a real grasp of how I feel about the issue. Feel free to ignore me )

If they have a chemical imbalance or something genuinely physically (like brain damage or misgrowth of part of the brain or autism or whatever) wrong with them that makes them act a certain way and makes it impossible for them to survive on their own then I believe it gives their family and/or loved ones the right to decide what to do with them.

If they're just odd, then let them be.

Joey the lips

Could i be a male escort and have sex(Male prostitute as such) In theory, yes if i had no ties. At the moment no! going on my morals!

If it was to fund my education? Hummm! I would be afraid i would enjoy it to much. Become dependent on the money as well so find it hard to give up.

Having said that as a man there is nothing better i would like then to sleep with multiple ladies(Not the ladies) but i would be afraid that it would become sex only and emotionless and surprising as you may think I am an emotional person.

Nothingcompares

I think any of the heterosexual lads here talking about being a male escort should snap out of that fantasy world. I think, just my personal opinion, if you want to get a better idea conceptually is to ask yourself as a man would you be a gay prostitute? ('logistical' issues aside).

AARRRGH

panda100 wrote: »

I think very,very few escorts go on actual dates with clients.

I know for a fact that is not true. Every single escort I know (quite a few) go on dates with their customers, and even have weird sort of boyfriend/girlfriend relationships with some of them.

The world of escorting is nothing like the movies or extremist feminists want you to believe.

Joey the lips

Nothingcompares wrote: »

I think any of the heterosexual lads here talking about being a male escort should snap out of that fantasy world. I think, just my personal opinion, if you want to get a better idea conceptually is to ask yourself as a man would you be a gay prostitute? ('logistical' issues aside).

LOL thats very good and a very interesting comparison. I will have to use that some day. Are you implying that all women who prostitute in this way are of the same disgust that hethro men would be towards gays?

Just curious?;)

minidazzler

Nothingcompares wrote: »

I think any of the heterosexual lads here talking about being a male escort should snap out of that fantasy world. I think, just my personal opinion, if you want to get a better idea conceptually is to ask yourself as a man would you be a gay prostitute? ('logistical' issues aside).

Quite true, but if I were gonna be a male escort, It would have to be females only, I am not in anyway attracted to men or the idea of having my backdoors broken in.

I am not Naive, I knwo there wouldn't be much work in it, but if there was I might do it, but probably won't.

dyl10

coyle wrote: »

My views on prostitution are very much the same as those i have on abortion: who the fcuk is a 60 year old judge, or someone like Dermot Ahern to be able to tell a 25 year old woman what she can and cant do with her own body? Its a fact of life that prostitution is here and it aint goin away anytime soon, so lets take out fcukin heads outta the sand a recognise that fact.

It's peoples choice to do what they want in their own homes and with their own bodies for fcuks sake.

I think the problem with your argument is that you have to realise is that politicians are supposed(sadly a flexible word in the extreme in some countries:rolleyes:) to be enacting social policy, on the mandate of what the people who elect them in a specific country want. So if the population of Ireland want prostitution legalised, in theory, it will be.

In reference to peoples homes, you are on the Ireland of Ireland. An area that is controlled by it's nationals, the Irish people. As a society, we are supposed to decide what we want/don't want going on in our country, through our elected government. Your house isn't a realm controlled by yourself. It's simply a living space, that you've paid to occupy, on Irish soil.

AARRRGH

Nothingcompares wrote: »

I think any of the heterosexual lads here talking about being a male escort should snap out of that fantasy world. I think, just my personal opinion, if you want to get a better idea conceptually is to ask yourself as a man would you be a gay prostitute? ('logistical' issues aside).

You're comparing apples with oranges.

A woman having sex with a man she doesn't fancy is nothing whatsoever like a heterosexual man reluctantly having sex with a gay man.

AARRRGH

dyl10 wrote: »

So if the population of Ireland want prostitution legalised, in theory, it will be.

Prostitution is already legal.

The only things which are illegal are:

Running a brothel
Advertising your services on an Irish publication
Picking up customers on the street

The escort who advertises her services on escortireland.com and escort-ireland.com (both UK based) and has sex for money in Ireland is not breaking the law.

orestes

aranrn wrote: »

You misunderstood. I was making the point that this chap seems to think that prostitution is progressive, that it's evidence that things are "a lot better". I don't see how the enslavement of women can be seen as progressive. I hope that makes it clearer for you because you seem to be in difficulty with the concept.

What does prostitution have to do with the enslavement of women? The idea being discussed here is whether or not people would be an escort/prostitute of their own free will, I think you might have misunderstood the point of this discussion. Personally I would argue that legalising and regualting prostitution is a progressive step for a society, but that's not the subject here so it doesn't really matter.

Not sure if I would be able to do it myself, I'm generaly quite particular about who I sleep with but that's just a completely personal thing based on my own emotional attitude and my own sexuality. I see no problem with people doing it if they decide to do so and take the necessary precautions and are aware of what they are getting into, it can be a very dangerous world to get into, physically, emotionally and psychologically.

Jeanious

dyl10 wrote: »

So if the population of Ireland want prostitution legalised, in theory, it will be.

That's all well and good in theory, but in reality, can you see any politician havin the balls to even table the idea of legalisation? What im sayin is, i would imagine that a relatively sizeable proportion of the population would be in favour of it in some way, shape or form, however with the current "sweep it under the carpet" mentality, we'll never even know.

dyl10 wrote: »

In reference to peoples homes, you are on the Ireland of Ireland. An area that is controlled by it's nationals, the Irish people. As a society, we are supposed to decide what we want/don't want going on in our country, through our elected government. Your house isn't a realm controlled by yourself. It's simply a living space, that you've paid to occupy, on Irish soil.

Indeed, and ive never heard about a law against bukkake parties, have you?

AARRRGH

orestes wrote: »

What does prostitution have to do with the enslavement of women?

Indeed. The people who refuse to accept that 99.9% of prostitutes are doing it out of their own free will are simply deluding themselves, or at least, projecting their own fears onto others.

But as you corectly point out, that not what we're discussing, so let's not go down that route.

dyl10

AARRRGH wrote: »

Prostitution is already legal.

The only things which are illegal are:

Running a brothel
Advertising your services on an Irish publication
Picking up customers on the street

The escort who advertises her services on escortireland.com and escort-ireland.com (both UK based) and has sex for money in Ireland is not breaking the law.

Apologies, I was speaking in the traditional sense.
Although that doesn't really have a bearing on what I was saying anyway., Except there are loopholes in the law or ways in which it's harder to be policed.

Nothingcompares

AARRRGH wrote: »

You're comparing apples with oranges.

A woman having sex with a man she doesn't fancy is nothing whatsoever like a heterosexual man reluctantly having sex with a gay man.

I actually don't think it's that different. Like imagine you had no money and your father beat you/molested you. And then you were kicked out of your house. And a man raped you and then gave you money. Would the firsst time be horrendous? Would the second time be half as bad? Start turning tricks twice a night and getting your heterosexual hole drilled in will be second nature.

Admittedly, not every single female prostitute has a similar experience to the first but there are enough of them out there to constantly remind me that it's a horrendous position to be in.

AARRRGH

coyle wrote: »

Indeed, and ive never heard about a law against bukkake parties, have you?

This will sound mad, but **** it, I'll say it anyway.

A while ago I was researching the law about advertising prostitution in Ireland. I contacted a criminal lawyer to discuss the issue. I argued that the law is very specific - it is for sexual intercourse only - which to me (and the Oxford dictionary) means a penis going into a vagina. This would mean things like handjobs, blowjobs, and bukkake are excluded from the law and could be advertised within Ireland.

He said nope, no judge would see it that way.

So there you go.

AARRRGH

Nothingcompares wrote: »

I actually don't think it's that different. Like imagine you had no money and your father beat you/molested you. And then you were kicked out of your house. And a man raped you and then gave you money. Would the firsst time be horrendous? Would the second time be half as bad? Start turning tricks twice a night and getting your heterosexual hole drilled in will be second nature.

Admittedly, not every single female prostitute has a similar experience to the first but there are enough of them out there to constantly remind me that it's a horrendous position to be in.

If you want to compare women having sex with men they don't fancy, then you have to be fair and compare it to men having sex with women they don't fancy.

Prostitutes are not being forced to have gay sex.

dyl10

coyle wrote: »

Indeed, and ive never heard about a law against bukkake parties, have you?

Article 6. Paragraph 5. Sub-paragraph 2. of the criminal justice act clearly states:
"Any sized gathering, party or other meeting place, where people organise to ejection of bodily fluids on to another humans skin, in a non-decent way, is fully and completely illegal under punishment of death. This includes all gatherings loosely defined as Bukkake parties or otherwise"

:eek:;)

minidazzler

coyle wrote: »

That's all well and good in theory, but in reality, can you see any politician havin the balls to even table the idea of legalisation? What im sayin is, i would imagine that a relatively sizeable proportion of the population would be in favour of it in some way, shape or form, however with the current "sweep it under the carpet" mentality, we'll never even know.




Indeed, and ive never heard about a law against bukkake parties, have you?

You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Bukakke parties.


This is gettng way off the mark.

First of all.
Prostitution for all intents and purposes IS LEGAL. It's how people go about it that's illegal.

Secondly the question was could you be a Prostitute, not anything to do with the legalities really

Jeanious

dyl10 wrote: »

Article 6. Paragraph 5. Sub-paragraph 2. of the criminal justice act clearly states:
"Any sized gathering, party or other meeting place, where people organise to ejection of bodily fluids on to another humans skin, in a non-decent way, is fully and completely illegal under punishment of death. This includes all gatherings loosely defined as Bukkake parties or otherwise"

:eek:;)

Jaysus, the Sunday World must have some serious lobbyists anyway!

Wibbs

minidazzler wrote: »

You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Bukakke parties.


This is gettng way off the mark.

Yes it is. Any more of that kinda thing and bans will be forthcoming. Please stay on topic. Thanks

Dudess

AARRRGH wrote: »

Indeed. The people who refuse to accept that 99.9% of prostitutes are doing it out of their own free will are simply deluding themselves, or at least, projecting their own fears onto others.

Wouldn't it depend on the type of prostitution though? I.e. yer Heidi Fleiss-type glamorous escorts versus women who are drug addicts, sexual abuse survivors, homeless, stuck in the extreme poverty trap, etc...?

When there was talk of full legalisation of prostitution in Spain, the prostitutes themselves (and really, sometimes it's their voices that are forgotten in these debates) appealed for the energy to be directed towards getting them out of "the game" rather than legalising it.

liah

Dudess wrote: »

When there was talk of full legalisation of prostitution in Spain, the prostitutes themselves (and really, sometimes it's their voices that are forgotten in these debates) appealed for the energy to be directed towards getting them out of "the game" rather than legalising it.

Is there any reason why there can't be both? Help for prostitutes to get out of the game as well as taking care of the ones who wish to stay in it?