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Small appetite, high metabolism
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14-09-2009 05:28AM#1
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You fail to see how having a small appetite and taking two hours to eat the least meal is an obstacle to eating more? Really? :pac: You REALLY don't think that this is something that should be somehow addressed? I mean, not being very hungry and eating very slowly can't help me!
A typical day : breakfast with half a litre of milk and chocolate cereals soon after getting up, then at some point in the day eating one of those microwave meals, or Pot Noodles (I can easily take 3 hours to eat those, I kid you not, rice/pasta/noodles are the longest thing for me to eat, salads or anything containing bread and/or salad is the fastest, almost as fast as a regular person), that type of stuff. Oh and between a few hours after breakfast and before "lunch" I eat some cookies or crisps. You'd think I should eat my lunch earlier but I can hardly work when I'm satiated, clouds my mind, gets in the way of my brain intensive work. Of course as of now I'm not even trying to gain weight, my typical day is only representative of how much I find sufficient to eat in a day. Of course you're right about the small amount of maintenance calories I need, but I'm afraid the threshold for me to start gaining weight is higher than the highest intake I've ever tried.. Not like I've tried eating 6 meals a day though, that's something to try!
Good thing about your suggestion is if I ate small meals it probably wouldn't "cloud my mind" too much. I wouldn't mind advice on the appetite/eating speed issue though, I mean, if I'm gonna make myself eat 6 meals a day I'd rather have it not take over half of my waking time :rolleyes:
in fairness OP this is a fitness forum not a fix it all forum!! We can advise on the types of food to eat and the frequency along with training etc but what advice can anyone give regarding you taking two hours to eat a meal?
If it takes you up to three hours to eat a pot noodle then you know what you need to do (i.e. trip to doctor ASAP) 0 -
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I'm considering going back to the gym (I've been working out on and off for 4 years, never more than one contiguous year, stopped 2 years ago), but I find it a bit pointless to do it before knowing how this time I'm actually going to gain weight. Here's the problem : I'm 23, 185 cm tall (6'1"), about 55 kg, and have always been, my weight is dead stable, no matter whether I stuff my mouth and drink milky shakes with weight gaining carbo-protein-thingies or skip lunch every day of the week, it doesn't change. If I work out for a few months then I can reach 59 kg, and nothing I tried will make it go higher.
I have a small appetite, currently I only eat a breakfast a day (half liter of milk with chocolate cereals) and a lunch (usually one of those microwavable Tesco meal things) and that's about it, I'm not hungry for more. I'm also the slowest eater, taking 2 hours to eat an 8 oz steak is no uncommon occurrence to me, and even if I try I really can't keep up in pace with anyone else. Always been like this by the way. I was told that I must have a high metabolism because even though I would eat in similar quantities as anyone else I'd still remain very slim and apparently devoid of any fat, but on the other hand no one with my diet would really become chubby, I suppose. So yeah, little point for me to do again what I've tried before because it'll yield the same results (which are still appreciably bigger muscles, but still nothing to boast about) and definitely level off after just a few months.
So the key to the problem seems to be something about my small appetite or high metabolism. Do any of you know of any way to change that (increase appetite, or decrease metabolism?) in a feasible way? (I was told to just stuff my mouth all the time and put butter on everything but who would do that, mostly if they are easily satiated?)
ok id first listen to a lot of the advice here because its fairly good. make sure its not some thing medical first. i have a similar issue, not nearly as extreme though. the first thing is to eat more often; aim for 6 meals, eating every 2-3 hours or so. dont try and fill yourself just eat regularly, ive found this help with the appetite and in time you should be able for bigger portions and youll find yourself hungrier more often.
tbh the only way to really increase your appetite is to eat more and more. but if your eating 6 meals with only 400-500 cals that will help you get more cals than two meals where you try stuff yourself. even starting off with really small meals and steadily increasing will make a difference. dont worry about getting 3000 cals, you dont need it yet. you only need 500 more a day than your eating now, if you can get more, do, but dont worry too much. aim for foods that are high in cals like said above. milk is great, so is peanut butter. ive found pasta great but if you cant stand it find something else. i know everyone here says to eat healthily, but if you can get healthy food most of the time, a few takeaways a week wont hurt (or more than a few
) a big mac meal has about 1300 cals and isnt very filling but you may not be able for it, i wasnt before. hope that helps. 0 -
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More like the second one. Well in the day in question, I had just ate that meal, and I was feeling alright so I thought I'd cram in that extra meal, and when I was done with it I was just really full. You know, that's probably how you'll feel if you eat one more meal than you usually do. This being said, perhaps my mistake was to eat a meal right after another. No one here advised me to fill myself up all at once until nothing goes down...what exactly is stopping you from eating more? is it that you just dont feel hungry so dont bother? or is it that you physically cant cram in any more food? I still stick by my last post, you should see a doctor just to rule out any medical condition.
And I really don't see why you guys insist on me seeing a doctor. Those 2500 kcal of food I ate/drank that day were more than 95% of people eat in a day. Some have big appetites (I just saw on TV some dude who had the hugest appetite, he was about to try to eat a 22" hamburger that's got like 30,000 kcal in it), and some have smaller appetites. I don't see how it can be a condition in my case since I can eat more than any healthy person can need to eat, it's just that it's not so much more. It's not a condition, it's a characteristic. A characteristic + doing it kinda wrong.
My case isn't as bad as that! Even in my regular lazy days I still get to eat at least 1,900 kcal. I did the maths. Turns out that's no joke when they say breakfast is an important meal. Maybe my original post made it sound worse than it is?Sofiztikated wrote: »I guess I'd be something similar to the OP. Been 50kg since I was 16, at my heaviest, 57kg. Normal day would consist of one meal, with a bit of snacking.
Even if I am hungry, I'm slow to actually sit down to something to eat, not through dislike of food, although I am very picky, its more out of laziness. And if I do, I tend to not finish, as I'll get bored with the taste.
I need to get into a routine of eating, and working out as I want to put on weight, as I am very skinny.
Nope I really don't.Do you think it could be a psychological thing i.e. a mental block about eating?
Hahaha no way man! Actually I'd be glad if I put on some fat, that'd mean my diet works and that I just need to work out! If I was scared of putting on any fat I would have started working out before trying to start a fattening diet.I'd echo the psychological thing by the sounds of it. Sound's like you are scared of putting on fat.
This! Yes, that makes sense, cause in my experiment, I added 500-600 kcal at once. Makes sense that it's all I could do for now! So maybe I should look at it as first training my appetite then having the diet required.I've a small appetite also but appetite like anything else is trainable. You should treat increasing the amount of food you eat just as important as increasing the weight you lift in the gym. You should gradually increase your food each day to acclimatise yourself to the extra food. Don't jump from your current eating habits and try add 1000-2000 calories in one day.
Whaaaa?? 3 litres of milk a day? I'm really not sure that's healthy man...Last winter I put on 6kg following starting strength and drinking about 3L's of full fat milk (drop the low fat) a day untop of increased food intake also. I'm planning on doing the same thing this winter and am hoping to put on another 5kg. I've started increasing my food intake gradually over the course of this week and hope to be in full swing coming into next week. If you are progressively lifting heavier weights on the big compound movements, squat deadlift & bench at the gym you will not turn into a lardass don't worry.
As for diet program, that's interesting, I mean, that's effectively pretty spread out throughout the day!
Yep, looks like what I gotta do. I'll try a next experiment day with something along those lines. I just need to figure out what to make my small meals out of. With token's plan as an inspiration I guess I can use small 2 oz burgers for some of the "snacks".if your eating 6 meals with only 400-500 cals that will help you get more cals than two meals where you try stuff yourself
Only 500 mores? Well I went to one of those calories things and it seems that given that I'm an "ectomorph" I need to eat even more to gain any weight. Which raises an important question, how do I determine accurately how much is needed in my case? But as you said, this isn't even the most important thing right now, the important thing is finding a suitable eating rhythm that can "scale up".even starting off with really small meals and steadily increasing will make a difference. dont worry about getting 3000 cals, you dont need it yet. you only need 500 more a day than your eating now, if you can get more, do, but dont worry too much. aim for foods that are high in cals like said above. milk is great, so is peanut butter. ive found pasta great but if you cant stand it find something else. i know everyone here says to eat healthily, but if you can get healthy food most of the time, a few takeaways a week wont hurt (or more than a few) a big mac meal has about 1300 cals and isnt very filling but you may not be able for it, i wasnt before. hope that helps.
Mmmh, a big mac meal (I always take the large one, love the fries), it's true that two hours later you're still hungry!
I think I'll keep that option for the days I'm not doing too good.
This makes me think, if I take like a 12" sub, shouldn't the better approach for the sake of my appetite be for me to eat the two halves a few hours apart? Just thought about it, cause yesterday I had one of those and ate it all at once. Made me full.
Yeah, I think the bigger challenge is to start eating like all the time. That's a change in lifestyle and attitude, goes against my food education of eating two meals a day and nothing between thoselots of people who want to gain weight eat when theyre not hungry, its not a big deal - just do it. 0 -
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Haha thanks man that was a really inspirational post! You're totally right about speed eating, cause when you eat a light meal and at the end you're still hungry, just wait for a few minutes and you'll feel satiated.6 foot 1 and 55kg!!
And you're saying the milk is unhealthy? I'm 2 inches shorter than you and twice your bodyweight (nearlly)
I was just reading a great interview with Dave Tate before reading this and my god does it ring true:
Never mind 6 healthy meals a day. Get yourself an account in Dominos and chow down.
Another mention in the article was that fat people only usually eat two massive meals a day and they eat really fast. After 20 mins of eating apparently your brain says "no more" no matter how little you've eaten. My advice to you would be to start speed eating.
Can't believe people are trying to get a guy whose 6 foot + and 55kgs to make "clean gains" with a healthy diet of lots of little meals.
God man get as much pizza into you as you can.
Although in the defence of the 6 meals a day thing, when I'm done stuffing my face with anything I can for 20 minutes tops then I'm not going to want to eat a damn thing again for hours. Although to be honest I'd rather see myself stuffing my pie-hole for 20 minutes twice a day than spending half of my day preparing and eating light meals. Well I'll have to try both approaches and see what works best. I'll try yours first . Actually I'll try right now with a double meal. 0 -
Haha thanks man that was a really inspirational post! You're totally right about speed eating, cause when you eat a light meal and at the end you're still hungry, just wait for a few minutes and you'll feel satiated.
Although in the defence of the 6 meals a day thing, when I'm done stuffing my face with anything I can for 20 minutes tops then I'm not going to want to eat a damn thing again for hours. Although to be honest I'd rather see myself stuffing my pie-hole for 20 minutes twice a day than spending half of my day preparing and eating light meals. Well I'll have to try both approaches and see what works best. I'll try yours first . Actually I'll try right now with a double meal.
Snack boxes are your friend pal. As is the stuffing of the face thing. Eat as many calories per bite as you can. If you only manage 10 mouthfuls before you're feeling stuffed you need to make sure each forkful has as many calories on it as possible.
It mightn't matter about not feeling hungry for hours, if you eat loads of small meals it apparently speeds up your metabolism, or so I'm told. Eating 2 x 2000 calorie meals a day would probably result in a slow metabolism and some weight gain.
God I'm making myself hungry with all this talk.0 -
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Oh man, I'm doing this right now and it's not as easy as I would have thought. Not the volume but the speed. I tried eating as fast as I could and after a few minutes I started freaking out, had a feeling that was like a mix of a drowning feeling and a feeling that you're about to puke. Then 12 minutes in I let out a huge burp and then I felt better again. Maybe I should have taken your speed advice a bit less literally. 0
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