You say you want a revolushioohoon ...

Antar Bolaeisk

Quite a good one in fact.

Surely there are enough of us techies litered about these boards to start something like that.

Sabre0001

You aren't giving the Government a seal of approval by voting yes (which was a problem the last time too!); voters gave the Government a seal of approval by voting them back in the last time there was a chance to get rid of them despite scandals and the country slipping in a bad way...

Mrmoe

Sabre0001 wrote: »

You aren't giving the Government a seal of approval by voting yes (which was a problem the last time too!); voters gave the Government a seal of approval by voting them back in the last time there was a chance to get rid of them despite scandals and the country slipping in a bad way...

That may not be the intention but the government will construe it that way because they are such a bunch of lowlifes.

Kevin Bacon

its been said already that voting no just to spite FF is a terrible reason to vote no. Yeah if there was another no vote then FF would surely be out no doubt about that. But then Enda Kenny and his bunch will just have to deal with the absolute sh*t storm that the EU will lay at our doorstep for going against them on this. And in my opinion things will get so much worse then they are now if the EU starts taking a disliking to us. Whether you like or not Ireland is dependent on the EU for funding and support.

Dyr

Antar Bolaeisk wrote: »

This is an absolutley fantastic idea, not only would it effectively screw Ireland's future involvement with Europe (maybe the effects won't be immediately noticeable or even particularly tangible but Europe will not look favourably on Ireland irregardless of the reasons, perceived or apparent, for voting no)
Voting No to Lisbon should only be done if you feel it is the right thing to do, not to spite the Government and possibly ruin future relations with Europe.

I though Europe would respect the need for unanimity on such matters, after all thats the safe guard they keep harping on about when it comes to the changes that lisbon will make. Are you saying they'll "respect" dissent and then screw the country that does'nt do as it's told?

General Zod

wudangclan wrote: »

'peasants' revolt?'

Pedant's revolt.

General Zod

ejmaztec wrote: »

What about a "vote of no confidence in the government" website, with various security measures to prove the accuracy of the input?

Would it automatically disregard your vote if you have posted uninformed nonsense about the Lisbon Treaty from your IP?

genericguy

I think we should all offer a yes vote in return for a general election.

NB - I'm voting yes, again, because i've bothered to read the crux of the treaty, and anyone who votes no to spite that shower of fat poxes is an idiot.

ejmaztec

General Zod wrote: »

Would it automatically disregard your vote if you have posted uninformed nonsense about the Lisbon Treaty from your IP?

No, that wouldn't count when you're sticking it to the government.

Homicidal_jesus

genericguy wrote: »

NB - I'm voting yes, again, because i've bothered to read the crux of the treaty, and anyone who votes no to spite that shower of fat poxes is an idiot.

here here

genericguy

Homicidal_jesus wrote: »

here here

what?

hullaballoo

genericguy wrote: »

what?

Homocidal_jesus would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

me-skywalker

Democracy = 862,415 Irish People holding up 731,000,000 in a brighter, more transparent more viable and efficent europe... Democracy?? Pfft!!

Mrmoe

me-skywalker wrote: »

Democracy = 862,415 Irish People holding up 731,000,000 in a brighter, more transparent more viable and efficent europe... Democracy?? Pfft!!

I am confused; when did the 731,000,0000 people of Europe get a direct vote on this? Maybe I was a sleep at the time???

me-skywalker

When we Irish farted on the face of Europe and still had our hands out looking for Jobs, security, assurances while providing little gratification? Does anyone actually think Ireland is sustainable on its own Economy? for that to happen the whole 4.5million whould have to be millionaires and continuously buying new house's and luxury cars and private villa's(in the west) and townhouses, and apartments......

An Fear Aniar

Mrmoe wrote: »

I am confused; when did the 731,000,0000 people of Europe get a direct vote on this? Maybe I was a sleep at the time???

The Lisbon Treaty was simply a rewrite of the Constitution that was already shot down by the French and the Dutch in 2005. It was rewritten to be "virtually incomprehensible" so as to avoid referendums wherever possible.

Don't believe me?

" Virtual incomprehensibilty has thus replaced simplicity as the key approach to EU reform. As for the changes now proposed to be made to the constitutional treaty, most are presentational changes that have no practical effect. They have simply been designed to enable certain heads of government to sell to their people the idea of ratification by parliamentary action rather than by referendum."
- Dr Garret FitzGerald, former Irish Taoiseach, Irish Times, 30 June 2007


"The difference between the original Constitution and the present Lisbon Treaty is one of approach, rather than content ...The proposals in the original constitutional treaty are practically unchanged. They have simply been dispersed through the old treaties in the form of amendments. Why this subtle change? Above all, to head off any threat of referenda by avoiding any form of constitutional vocabulary ... But lift the lid and look in the toolbox: all the same innovative and effective tools are there, just as they were carefully crafted by the European Convention."
- V.Giscard D'Estaing, former French President and Chairman of the Convention which drew up the EU Constitution, The Independent, London, 30 October 2007


"The substance of the constitution is preserved. That is a fact."
- German Chancellor Angela Merkel, speech in the European Parliament, 27 June 2007

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Piste

It could be a good idea to get a massive campaign going whereby people send in postcards to the government demanding a general election if a yes vote is carried. If it garners enough media attention and enough pressure is put on the government would have no choice but to respond and we'd see them declare whether their loyalties are to the good of the country or if they're more concerned with protecting themselves. If they refused to dissolve the Dáil after Lisbon was carried there would be riots.

An Fear Aniar

Piste wrote: »

It could be a good idea to get a massive campaign going whereby people send in postcards to the government demanding a general election if a yes vote is carried.

It's not about FF, it's bigger than that. It's about whether we want a democratic EU or an EU that is heading down the road to dictatorship.

It's about whether the people are the bosses or the politicians boss the people.

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Piste

Oh I know the Lisbon treaty is about the EU, not our own government and I wont be voting out of distaste for FF. This would be a system whereby we could use the Lisbon treaty as leverage to shunt them out.

Gummy Panda

My name is URL wrote: »

I say we become a socialist country and close our borders.. then give people a year to decide whether they want to be here or not.

I agree and bags being Stalin. Gummygrad sounds good or maybe Pandagrad.

Now during this year will we begin our social experiment and start a class war thus exterminating 10% of the population?

My name is URL

Gummy Panda wrote: »

I agree and bags being Stalin. Gummygrad sounds good or maybe Pandagrad.

Now during this year will we begin our social experiment and start a class war thus exterminating 10% of the population?

I'd say at least 40% of the population would leave in the opt-out year. The bankers will be on the first wave of planes

Then it's just a matter of reorganising resources and assigning roles to the unemployed

I can't wait to exalt our glorious leader

Gummy Panda

My name is URL wrote: »

Then it's just a matter of reorganising resources and assigning roles to the unemployed

Work placement camps?