Official Poll: Have debates on boards.ie influenced how you will vote on Lisbon II?

nesf

Have fun voting.


Edit: Anyone found to be messing with the results of this poll (i.e. Yes or No campaigners falsely voting as "Was Yes/No now No/Yes") will be treated harshly. Either vote honestly or save us the trouble of having to ban you.

sink

What about was no, now yes and was yes now no?

nesf

sink wrote: »

What about was no, now yes and was yes now no?

Bah, I knew I forgot some. Added.

K-9

This could do well if it's an announcement, not just a EU Forum thread.

K-9

An interesting addition would be:

Was Yes leaning, but it made me Yes definitely

and

Was No leaning and made me No definitely.

nesf

K-9 wrote: »

An interesting addition would be:

Was Yes leaning, but it made me Yes definitely

and

Was No leaning and made me No definitely.

Right, done. That's as many options I can add (the max is 10).


I'm looking into having the admins do a custom poll for the forum, but don't know if that will be possible yet.

Stark

K-9 wrote:

An interesting addition would be:

Was Yes leaning, but it made me Yes definitely

and

Was No leaning and made me No definitely.

That's probably covered by "undecided" I reckon. If we keep adding options for every obscure possibility then we'll end up having an option for "Was no, shagged the missus, was a bit happier so was yes, then a froggy bumped into me on the street, was no again, then got a two euro quarter pounder on the eurosaver menu at macdonalds, so voting yes"

K-9

Stark wrote: »

That's probably covered by "undecided" I reckon. If we keep adding options for every obscure possibility then we'll end up having an option for "Was no, shagged the missus, was a bit happier so was yes, then a froggy bumped into me on the street, was no again, then got a two euro quarter pounder on the eurosaver menu at macdonalds, so voting yes"

Was that a Yes point or No point?

That could persuade me.

Think this should be moderated heavily, no Debate, just a vote.

The reason I mentioned those two, was, it it does come up on the forum.

marco_polo

Stark wrote: »

That's probably covered by "undecided" I reckon. If we keep adding options for every obscure possibility then we'll end up having an option for "Was no, shagged the missus, was a bit happier so was yes, then a froggy bumped into me on the street, was no again, then got a two euro quarter pounder on the eurosaver menu at macdonalds, so voting yes"

I'm biting my tongue about the absence of 'Was Atari Jauguar now Yes'

nesf

K-9 wrote: »

Think this should be moderated heavily, no Debate, just a vote.

People are free to talk about the poll. Anyone starting to campaign in this thread or discussion campaign issues etc will have their posts deleted.

The Big Red Button

I was leaning no, now definitely yes.

Not entirely due to Boards though. Just went to the effort to take maybe 3-4 hours to educate myself on a referendum which may affect my future. It's doable!

procure11

This Post has a striking resemblance to Lisbon II.Not satisfied with outcome of the first poll so we vote again.I was no and I am still no.

In the event that the no side have the majority in Lisbon II and we are made to vote again,I would then have no choice to vote yes to save myself and other tax payers some of our money.

Martin 2

procure11 wrote: »

This Post has a striking resemblance to Lisbon 11.Not satisfied with outcome of the first poll so we vote again.I was no and I am still no.

In the event that the no side have the majority in Lisbon 11 and we are made to vote again,I would then have no choice to vote yes to save myself and other tax payers some of our money.

I think you mean Lisbon II or is Lisbon 11 just a Freudian slip:)

passive

It's kinda hilarious how many of the votes are missing from the "Was No, am still No" pile which are lumped suspiciously in the "Was Yes, am now No" pile... Something that anybody who can and has read any of the discussions on the European Union forum, and the relative standards of debate, knows cannot possibly be a true proportion.

Yes & Yes from me, but a more educated, and exhausted, and depressed yes...

Lockstep

I'm the only person who "Was no, now yes"

Scofflaw

kickoutthejams wrote: »

I'm the only person who "Was no, now yes"

Ah, we just haven't seen turgon or democrates in a while, more's the pity. They declared for Yes rather a while ago - although of course they may have relented.

cordially,
Scofflaw

nesf

procure11 wrote: »

This Post has a striking resemblance to Lisbon II.Not satisfied with outcome of the first poll so we vote again.I was no and I am still no.

In the event that the no side have the majority in Lisbon II and we are made to vote again,I would then have no choice to vote yes to save myself and other tax payers some of our money.

Not at all. I fully expect to see a No win on this poll, given that the No side outnumber the Yes side by a fair margin on this forum going by posters.

Lockstep

nesf wrote: »

Not at all. I fully expect to see a No win on this poll, given that the No side outnumber the Yes side by a fair margin on this forum going by posters.

To be fair, I noticed a hell of a lot more Yes voters the first time around and the No side still won.


It really seems to be getting close.

passive

nesf wrote: »

Not at all. I fully expect to see a No win on this poll, given that the No side outnumber the Yes side by a fair margin on this forum going by posters.

How does that balance out if you disclude anyone who joined in september 2009 and has never posted outside this forum?

nesf

passive wrote: »

How does that balance out if you disclude anyone who joined in september 2009 and has never posted outside this forum?

It would be interesting, no doubt.

kn

nesf wrote: »

Edit: Anyone found to be messing with the results of this poll (i.e. Yes or No campaigners falsely voting as "Was Yes/No now No/Yes") will be treated harshly. Either vote honestly or save us the trouble of having to ban you.

How the hell would you know how any poster actually voted in Lisbon 1, or if they even voted? What about people responding to the poll whom are not Irish citizens and are not entitled to vote, or Irish citizens living abroad and therefore are unable to vote?

That posting is a bit childish and taking an internet poll a bit too seriously. Plus there are so many options I wonder whats its reall value is?

nesf

kn wrote: »

How the hell would you know how any poster actually voted in Lisbon 1, or if they even voted?

It's aimed at people who've been campaigning on boards.ie for a Yes or No since before Lisbon I. Obviously it can't apply to new posters.

hatrickpatrick

I voted Yes last time, was undecided for a long time about Lisbon II and having been on this board for a few months debating it I am not firmly in the No camp. That may change again before referendum day, but the more I read from Yes campaigners the more certain I become that Lisbon runs contrary to my views on both democracy and republicanism.

PopeBuckfastXVI

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Ibut the more I read from Yes campaigners the more certain I become that Lisbon runs contrary to my views on both democracy and republicanism.

Are you sure it's not that certain 'Yes' campaigners run contrary to your views on both democracy and republicanism, and that Lisbon maybe doesn't?

Mr. Presentable

What about, no, the debates have not influenced me, and it is none of your business how I intend to vote? That's the only option I'd take.

Or, yes, the debates have influenced me, and it is none of your business how I intend to vote?

marco_polo

nipplenuts wrote: »

What about, no, the debates have not influenced me, and it is none of your business how I intend to vote? That's the only option I'd take.

Or, yes, the debates have influenced me, and it is none of your business how I intend to vote?

It is a private poll? And you have come to the EU forum in order to not discuss how you are going to vote?

jhegarty

Interested to see :

Was Yes, am now No 13 14.94%
Was No, am now Yes 3 3.45%

I would have thought the debate was very leaning to yes since the date was confirmed.

On the other hand the polls on boards seem to lean to no (A&A excepted). So maybe the 'yes' side like debate , the 'no' side polls.

Stark

The politics.ie guys have a campaign to skew the results of the poll.

ShooterSF

Was no, still no. Don't see it changing but I'm glad to see some people are being swayed by the discussion on the boards. Go boards!

jhegarty

Stark wrote: »

The politics.ie guys have a campaign to skew the results of the poll.

In which direction ?

meglome

jhegarty wrote: »

In which direction ?

Oh very much for a No. I'd say there's about 5-10 people that are pretending to be about 30.

Stark

jhegarty wrote: »

In which direction ?

Well by "campaign", I mean a handful of saddos with nothing better to do: http://www.politics.ie/2043504-post14.html

Rb

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

Are you sure it's not that certain 'Yes' campaigners run contrary to your views on both democracy and republicanism, and that Lisbon maybe doesn't?

People are free to talk about the poll. Anyone starting to campaign in this thread or discussion campaign issues etc will have their posts deleted.

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PopeBuckfastXVI

Rb wrote: »

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nesf

Less of the backseat moderating and less of the dragging the thread off-topic please.

Max Power1

was no, still no.

Wouldnt depend on a net forum to tell me how to vote tbh.

FutureTaoiseach

Was no - still no.

Stark

FutureTaoiseach wrote: »

Was no - still no.

Since 1973.

K-9

Good to see the undecided vote is veering Yes. That will be the key.

TD1980

Hi,

I wonder does anyone have a contact for those who organised the "yes" campaign on Grafton St. today?

I took some photos and want to send them on.

Cheers,

TD

ei.sdraob

Stark wrote: »

Since 1973.

may i ask why the infraction for that?

that pretty much sums up SF position to Europe since and before we joined the EU

PopeBuckfastXVI

ei.sdraob wrote: »

may i ask why the infraction for that?

that pretty much sums up SF position to Europe since and before we joined the EU

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FutureTaoiseach

This is going to be a very close referendum. Are we agreed on that?

PopeBuckfastXVI

FutureTaoiseach wrote: »

This is going to be a very close referendum. Are we agreed on that?

Aren't they all...

nesf

ei.sdraob wrote: »

may i ask why the infraction for that?

that pretty much sums up SF position to Europe since and before we joined the EU

This thread isn't meant to contain any debate or argument.

FutureTaoiseach

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

Aren't they all...

No not always.

nesf

FutureTaoiseach wrote: »

No not always.

Referenda on EU treaties do tend to be though. At least over the past decade.

Was no, now leaning to yes(undecided)

FutureTaoiseach

Why does this poll only only have 12% of the numbers voting in the other poll on Lisbon?

ei.sdraob

FutureTaoiseach wrote: »

Why does this poll only only have 12% of the numbers voting in the other poll on Lisbon?

because the other poll ran for alot longer

and because FreebornJohn must have registered at least under few dozen aliases in order to skew it

someoneok

There is so much fearmongering from the yes side saying there wont be any jobs but those people dont realise that the corpoartion taxes will be raised if it's ratified. Them yesmen are such liars and there is a deeper agenda with this treaty. Why would we want to have an oligarchy control us and have an EU constitution supercede our beautiful constitution. I read a great book the other day which shows the real literal translation of our constitution which is hidden from us in the fake blue book by micheal o cearuil a study of the irish text.I found it on some site and subsiquently found it has been taken out of print when i went to buy a hard copy in a law bookstore because i hate pdfs.