Lisbon - has debates on boards changed your mind?

biko

There are tons of threads with lots of arguments for and against Lisbon.
But has your opinion been swayed by the discussions here or do we just rehash the same arguments all over and no-one budges?

If so can you point to the post/thread that made you change your mind?

whadabouchasir

Tbh i have deliberately avoided the lisbon debates on boards.

ShooterSF

Where's the no it didn't option?

thomond2006

Not the debate on AH anyway.

Dankoozy

ShooterSF wrote: »

Where's the no it didn't option?

This poll is like Lisbon 3 - there will only be one option, yes


a bit like Mugabe's election

My name is URL

To be fair, Terry's post is very helpful

Without it we'd all just be wandering about like zombies with our polling cards, and booking flights to Portugal

He really outlined well what voting on something means, we'd never get by without such advice

SV

tbh, I was inkling towards a yes vote.
If it wasn't for boards and it's pathetic pro lisbon agenda then I might be still.

K-9

Dankoozy wrote: »

This poll is like Lisbon 3 - there will only be one option, yes


a bit like Mugabe's election

Posts like that change my mind!

I would have been Yes leaning anyway and had a few questions about it the last time.

Taxation was my main worry the last time.

Futurism

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

If you are still unsure, Vote NO.

"Better the devil you know than the one that you dont".

Would abstaining from the vote not be a better option?

The Big Red Button

I was undecided, maybe leaning a little bit towards the "no" side, but the threads on Boards (amongst many other sites and articles) helped me make up my mind to vote yes!

K-9

Futurism wrote: »

Would abstaining from the vote not be a better option?

Nah, that would be Neutral. No good to No campaigners then.

gerky

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

If you are still unsure, Vote NO.

"Better the devil you know than the one that you dont".

That's a bit like saying "If you don't know what party to vote for vote for fianna fáil, sure at least we know what they're like"

And its that kind of stubborn thinking that's left us stuck with them for way too long.



Honestly people there is enough unbiased information out there to make an informed decision, instead of voting whatever way just for stupid non-existent reasons.

Holsten

Was no, will be no again.

Run_to_da_hills

Futurism wrote: »

Would abstaining from the vote not be a better option?

Absolutly not, and give away our freedom and rights to any future referendums. :eek:

Max Power1

i was always going to vote no, and the semi-true (at best) arguments of the yes campaigners here wouldnt change me.

tonycascarino

Was a No and after seeing the debates from the Pro-Lisbon mods of the Politics section, l'm a definite No.

K-9

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Absolutly not, and give away our freedom and rights to any future referendums. :eek:

You have been told that this isn't true. People have quoted you the text in the Treaty saying it isn't true.

You know it isn't true, but you still insist on peddling it.

If I was an undecided voter, this type of stuff would make me a Yes.

Run_to_da_hills

K-9 wrote: »

You have been told that this isn't true. People have quoted you the text in the Treaty saying it isn't true.

You know it isn't true, but you still insist on peddling it.

If I was an undecided voter, this type of stuff would make me a Yes.

I still wouldn't trust it as far as i would throw it, the treaty document is far too complex for the lay man, its also full of holes just like a lump of Swiss cheese.

No doubt once its passed amendment after amendment will be made by these aggressive foreign dictators to the worse and we will be able to do jack sh*t about it.

Dinner

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I still wouldn't trust it as far as i would throw it

So you admit that you told a lie about this being the last referendum?

K-9

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I still wouldn't trust it as far as i would throw it, the treaty document is far too complex for the lay man, its also full of holes just like a lump of Swiss cheese.

No doubt once its passed amendment after amendment will be made by these aggressive foreign dictators to the worse and we will be able to do jack sh*t about it.

Your sig is more crap.

LOL, Spain voting Yes to a Constitution that never came into law couldn't possibly cause unemployment.

Pygmalion

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I still wouldn't trust it as far as i would throw it, the treaty document is far too complex for the lay man, its also full of holes just like a lump of Swiss cheese.

The treaty is too complex for the lay man...
Very few legal documents, particularly treaties, are easy enough for any farmer to pick up and understand, did you want a picture book?

There are tons of places you can go to find out about what's actually in the treaty in plain English.

As for your sig, Ireland voted no, unemployment soared.

dr.bollocko

Moved from AH. You are now under the remit of the EU forum rules. Please read the charter here before posting.

ChocolateSauce

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

No doubt once its passed amendment after amendment will be made by these aggressive foreign dictators to the worse and we will be able to do jack sh*t about it.

What?

AuRevoir

No my mind has definitely not been swayed by the pro lisbon mods of boards.ie

Daftendirekt

I don't know why I'm bothering but...

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Absolutly not, and give away our freedom and rights to any future referendums. :eek:

Please prove, with reference to the treaty, how Lisbon will take away "our freedom and rights to any future referendums."

No doubt once its passed amendment after amendment will be made by these aggressive foreign dictators to the worse and we will be able to do jack sh*t about it.

Out of sheer morbid curiosity, which EU countries do you believe are dictatorships? And what reason is there to believe that any amendments made will be detrimental to the individual EU countries? More importantly, why would EU members want to pass legislation which was harmful to themselves?




I thought one of the rules of this forum was that you had to back up your claims?

Daftendirekt

Oh, and incidentally... The Lisbon debates round here did help me make my mind up the first time round, although I was kind of on the fence anyway, leaning toward a yes.

dlofnep

gerky wrote: »

That's a bit like saying "If you don't know what party to vote for vote for fianna fáil, sure at least we know what they're like"

And its that kind of stubborn thinking that's left us stuck with them for way too long.



Honestly people there is enough unbiased information out there to make an informed decision, instead of voting whatever way just for stupid non-existent reasons.

Well - once the treaty is passed, it's a done deal and cannot be reversed. So if they are unsure of the implications of it - why should they pass an irreversible treaty?

Pygmalion

dlofnep wrote: »

So if they are unsure of the implications of it - why should they pass an irreversible treaty?

They're just as unsure of the implications of a no vote.

Also as said above, if they haven't bothered to learn after 18 months it's not a matter of not having enough info. yet, it's widely available, they simply aren't bothered opening their eyes and another 6 months/1 year/decade won't change that.

macy9

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

If you are still unsure, Vote NO.

"Better the devil you know than the one that you dont".

Just don't vote.

Your reasoning would just the same by voting yes.

meglome

SV wrote: »

tbh, I was inkling towards a yes vote.
If it wasn't for boards and it's pathetic pro lisbon agenda then I might be still.

Maybe people who have kept an open mind and read a lot about the treaty agree with it. You know they like it because it's actually good for Ireland.

I see the peddled No line of the day is the Mods are all blind Yes voters. :mad:

meglome

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I still wouldn't trust it as far as i would throw it, the treaty document is far too complex for the lay man, its also full of holes just like a lump of Swiss cheese.

No doubt once its passed amendment after amendment will be made by these aggressive foreign dictators to the worse and we will be able to do jack sh*t about it.

It a legal document, you don't need to trust it, you can just read it. Which you openly admit to not doing.

You know that a lot of what you say isn't true and you still keep saying it.