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LISBON - What way will Clare vote this time?
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drunken_munky52 wrote: »<snip> Image
And this is in relation to what exactly.... the growth of China???
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The EEC was a simple trading block among nine nations back in 1972 and not the full blown monster that it is of today.So now you're trying to tell me the EU is just biding it's time until after the referendum, even though they've had the same rights since 1972. .
Again read the official EU charter for yourself.And worse you're saying that the Charter of Fundamental Rights which is there to protect EU citizens is out to get them. .
Art 2. Right to Life Definition
1. Everyone has the right to life.
2. No one shall be condemned to the death penalty, or executed.
Legal Explanations
1. Paragraph 1 of this Article is based on the first sentence of Article 2(1) of the ECHR, which reads as follows:
1. 'Everyone’s right to life shall be protected by law …'
2. The second sentence of the provision, which referred to the death penalty, was superseded by the entry into force of Article 1 of Protocol No 6 to the ECHR, which reads as follows:
‘The death penalty shall be abolished. No-one shall be condemned to such penalty or executed’.
Article 2(2) of the Charter is based on that provision.
3. The provisions of Article 2 of the Charter correspond to those of the above Articles of the ECHR and its Protocol. They have the same meaning and the same scope, in accordance with Article 53(3) of the Charter. Therefore, the ‘negative’ definitions appearing in the ECHR must be regarded as also forming part of the Charter:
a) Article 2(2) of the ECHR:
‘Deprivation of life shall not be regarded as inflicted in contravention of this Article when it results from the use of force which is no more than absolutely necessary:
in defense of any person from lawful violence;
in order to effect a lawful arrest or to prevent the escape of a person lawfully detained;
in action lawfully taken for the purpose of quelling a riot or insurrection.’
b) Article 2 of the Protocol No 6 to the ECHR:
‘A State may make provision in its law for the death penalty in respect of acts committed in time of war or of imminent threat of war; such a penalty shall be applied only in the instances laid down in the law and in accordance with its provisions…’.
Now I am calling a spade a spade with regards to the EU holding the Death penalty.
These digital surveylance directives may not be specifically written in the European Constitution however they are a very worring concern for anyone residing in the EU.The Lisbon treaty makes the EU more accountable (see 10 reason to vote yes in my sig). So if you dislike a policy the EU is implementing then it will be easier to stop it after Lisbon. Of course these digital security directives are not in the Lisbon treaty in the first place and the Irish government has agreed to them. Maybe you should campaign in the correct place to get this changed..
Again read the above extracts from ECHR
Stop trying to shoehorn racism into the issue, NICE allowed unchecked immigration into Ireland and Lisbon will be far worse.He he he he what? Our own government allowed these people to come into the country from the new accession states. Our own government introduced unrestricted taxi plates. What is this, is it blame the EU cause our government are useless day? Maybe people should have a long hard look at themselves and who they have been voting for over the last fifteen years. And P.S I don't like your implied racism.
It’s in the interests of all the working people of Europe for Irish workers and trade unionists to vote ‘No’ to Lisbon again on October 2nd.
And my agenda is to support the NO campaign to preserve Democracy in this country of ours against this undemocratic totalitarian monster that has crept into every other country in Europe without a ballot.
You really have no respect for the Irish people, none whatsoever. You are happy to lie directly to people's faces to suit whatever you're own agenda is.
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Don't ever call me a LIAR people have got banned for less personal abuse.
I'm not sure if you just hate the EU or you are trying to cause chaos or what it is. One thing I can say is you are a liar.0 -
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The term "Monster" has been used as a metaphor by the heads of state and the media to describe the shear might and potential of the EU.So what has this 'monster' forced any EU country to do? I've been asking you that for a couple of weeks now and you still haven't come up with anything
This has been explained to you umpteen times and I will explain it to you quite simply. In order for the European Constitution to be FULLY bonded among all 27 member states Ireland must hold a referendum on the tweety. The EU couldn't possibly implement any draconian measures on any nation before the tweety is signed because it will scare the little tweety bird away.
In times of war or serious civil unrest EU law would allow military police to march in from abroad and impose the death penalty. Its written in the fu(kin constitution. It cant get clearer than that. :rolleyes:I don't see the problem, you're just proving my point and not to mention this text isn't in the Lisbon treaty. The EU are against the death penalty in all circumstances. But it cannot force EU members to change laws that allow the death penalty in exceptional circumstances, like times of war. How many people have been executed? None? You're saying the EU can force us all to do it's bidding on one hand then on the other hand showing they cannot force these countries to change those laws. And besides your claim was the Lisbon treaty brought in these things, but there is no mention of the death penalty in the Lisbon treaty. Which I have pointed out to you three times.
BTW our cherished constitution would be overruled on this issue.
I have no problem with immigrants however I and many others do have a serious problem when people are allowed walk into this country unchecked and displace jobs from Irish workers, this has been particular in the Taxi industry.Sorry your post sounded like you were blaming immigrants for the taxi drivers not having jobs. Actually that's exactly how it sounded.
Not exactl the mood of the Irish worker, ask any council worker cleaning the streets about his views on Lisbon, I can guarantee his answer straight away, censorship of words included.
So the working people should vote against the organisation that brought in 80% of our workers rights legalisation? Well that would be clever now wouldn't it, talk about cutting your own hand off. Most trade unions are asking for a Yes vote, along with almost every other organisation with an opinion.
We will just have to wait until they spring the trap. :eek:So all you need to do is show what the EU has ever tried to make an EU country do? I'm only waiting two weeks for it.
I preach the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. :pac:Tell you what to do, you come up with a word that describes someone who purposely misleads people and I'll call you that instead, as it's exactly what you've shown yourself to be.0 -
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PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »That's a 'No' then...
Correct.......will you be back to me in a year asking me if i am sure i understood what i am saying no to & am i sure i dont want to say YES???Originally Posted by PopeBuckfastXVI
200,000,000,000 euros in fish taken from our waters! Atonishing!
Have you got a link official figures for that?
Have a read of this first......
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0320/1224243121561.html
Then to use the words of one poster on here....
"Have you ever thought that you may be wrong"
You cling to numbers on paper like it is the lords word not to be questioned.......did it ever cross your mind that it may not be as transparent & cleancut as you think it is.
Basic business practice is that you must have more coming in than going out to be sustainable.
If the EU has given us 41 billion for "FREE" whos expense has it been at???
The money doesnt just materialise from nowhere, do you really imagine that the Germans, Italians, French, English etc. would work away dilligently in indusrty & services to feed into the european ecomony all for little ol' Ireland to reap the rewards for Free........Is it really a far concept to think that the figures are being presented the way they are to sway the general population into thinking that we really are getting Billions for free.......
Lets just say it again BILLIONS FOR FREE!
FFS when ethiopia was in the middle of mass famine it took an irish man to get a whole bunch of musicians together to raise money for food while the EU was over flowing with surplus.......you expect me to beleive that the same EU will just give us BILLIONS FOR FREE......and for arguments sake lets just say i am wrong & they have given us BILLIONS FOR FREE.....what kind of people does that make them that you want to have controlling europe that stood idly by at that time & didnt give a sh.it about human life.
The EU propaganda machine works brilliantly to brainwash people into thinking they are being handed BILLIONS FOR FREE without having to provide a return on it. Nonsense.0
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