First Yes to Lisbon posters appear

ei.sdraob

ShooterSF wrote: »

The lisbon treaty not being passed.

how would that not damage the economy or our political standing in europe?

or for that matter how would economy or our political standing in Europe be improved in any way by voting NO again?


please inject a little bit of positivity! failure to do so implies that that nothing good will come out of voting NO...

Riskymove

ei.sdraob wrote: »

what positive aspects will arise out of refusing Lisbon? if any??

ah but you are missing the point, a no vote is positive to a no campaigner,

therefore lets say "a yes vote means a minimum wage of €1.64" (or whatever it claims), to a no campaigner a no vote means that wont happen so thats a positive!!......(regardless of link to reality)

ShooterSF

ei.sdraob wrote: »

how would that not damage the economy or our political standing in europe?

It wouldn't.

or for that matter how would economy or our political standing in Europe be improved in any way by voting NO again?

It wouldn't.

please inject a little bit of positivity! failure to do so implies that that nothing good will come out of voting NO...

Unless you understand that the positive in a status quo situation is that the negatives of not keeping the status quo are avoided then I guess I can't explain the positives for you.

Martin 2

ShooterSF wrote: »

LOL. I love sarcasm
That was sarcasm right? Turning a vote on a treaty which restructures the EU into a vote on our very membership is nothing if not sensationalism.
You and your canny sarcastic wit. Funny chap!

I meant sensationalist in the tabloid sense, look at Coir's poster slogans for example:
-1.84 euro, minimum wage after Lisbon?
-95% of Europeans would vote NO
-They won your freedom don't throw it away (under a picture of 1916 leaders)

The yes posters are not saying the referendum is a vote on EU membership? nor is anyone on the yes side saying that, they are appealing to our sense of 'Europeanness' to support a treaty which brings about greater European integration.

The posters could have a more Lisbon centric message... let's wait and see what FG and Labour have to offer.

ei.sdraob

ShooterSF wrote: »

Unless you understand that the positive in a status quo situation is that the negatives of not keeping the status quo are avoided then I guess I can't explain the positives for you.

how would continue to pay high energy prices to corrupt states like Russia without a common energy policy not be negative economic consequence?


how would our politicians (and people they represent) look in europe and be not taken seriously after another NO vote (despite electing Pro Lisbon MEPs few months ago) making our political standing more difficult?


wheres the status quo when it comes to these 2 issues?

Euro_Kraut

Martin 2 wrote: »

The posters could have a more Lisbon centric message... let's wait and see what FG and Labour have to offer.

Don't hold your breath. Saw the FG ones earlier (will post them up this evening)

They are yellow with a large font saying 'Yes to Recovery, Yes to Europe' and 'Yes to Jobs, Yes to Europe'

Most of them were plain with a yellow background the other have the creppy picture of Enda Kenny from the General Election in 07 on them.

ChocolateSauce

Those posters are sorely lacking...will this be another disastrous debacle by the yes side?

No one except ultra-nationalists, far-lefties and religious fundamentalists are anti-EU, and the posters don't talk about the treaty. I think it is mild scare-mongering from the yes side. Vote yes, or we'll lose out! Vote yes, because we need Europe (and they'll leave us behind if we don't)!

The posters should explain what the treaty does and why each point is a good thing.

Scofflaw

This thread is drifting off-topic...

moderately,
Scofflaw

oscarBravo

ChocolateSauce wrote: »

The posters should explain what the treaty does and why each point is a good thing.

The danger there is of a tl;dr effect. There's not much punchy or dramatic about the treaty that can usefully be captured in a poster-sized headline.

Furious-Dave

ShooterSF wrote: »

How? Sweet enola gay. They're by their nature against the treaty how the **** would they be positive.

They can be positive by mentioning the positive and beneficial aspects of rejecting the Treaty, instead of the negative aspects of passing it, which most of them seem to be doing. It gives one the impression that there are no beneficial aspects of voting No :rolleyes:

Euro_Kraut

oscarBravo wrote: »

The danger there is of a tl;dr effect. There's not much punchy or dramatic about the treaty that can usefully be captured in a poster-sized headline.

What about a picture of a smiling family under the headline:

The Treaty creates a new role known as the ‘High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs’ [Article 18, TEU]. It merges many existing positions including the 'High Representative for the Common Foreign and Security Policy' and the 'European Commissioner for External Relations and European Neighbourhood Policy' into one position. This is to provide a more coherent and consistent voice for Europe in the international sphere. Currently there are so many people representing the foreign policy of the EU, foreign governments are confused about who to contact in regards to specific areas and the unions’ voice is disjointed and less coherent. The Lisbon treaty also creates an EU diplomatic corps know as the External Action Service to better facilitate the EU’s foreign policy.[Article 27, TEU]

Think it could work?

ei.sdraob

oscarBravo wrote: »

The danger there is of a tl;dr effect. There's not much punchy or dramatic about the treaty that can usefully be captured in a poster-sized headline.

not only that but any YES poster would cause the NOos to scream "ma look they are lying/exagerating" (the irony)