Irish/UK Population at all time high

procure11

....due to the baby boom and immigration.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8224520.stm


There was a similar report last week about Ireland

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/baby-boom-puts-us-on-top-of-birth-rate-league-1595

I think an increase in population has both its advantages and repercussions.
An increase in population would benefit the country in terms of a future vibrant labour force,economic market,potentials etc...

On the other hand it creates a massive strain on social infrastructure eg hospitals,housing,schools and if there is political and social failure..those potentials would eventually become liabilities.

I also think that in a world where we have China/India/Brazil as competitors..it would be foolish to be anti-immigration but there has to be a proactive MO to allow mostly those who would be of national/economic benefits into the country as opposed to a free for all opportunity for a some people that think that being lazy and consistently producing offsprings is fun.

What are your thoughts?

Jesus Wept

Stop riding imo.

admiralofthefleet

more people stay indoors when there is a reccesion, we have to keep ourselves busy:)

swine flu should take care of some of those babies

Four-Percent

The-Rigger wrote: »

Stop riding imo.

Spot the eunuch!:eek:

partyatmygaff

Time for the centenerial cull I suppose.

Ickle Magoo

Yay for the horny Brits! :pac: Ahem, and Irish .:D

procure11

The-Rigger wrote: »

Stop riding imo.

and then do what exactly ??? you have to come to terms that some people have a life!:D..and can actually score goals.

Jim236

Who cares...

Overheal

uhm, humanity is at an all time population high.

**** the UK for a second.

The latest estimated figure as of now is 6,780,382,154 and we are getting real ****ing close to 7 billion.

Also for anyone interested, We topped 6 Billion on October 16, 1999.

procure11

Jim236 wrote: »

Who cares...

I would imagine why you dont care about the UK...admittedly it should not be your business ( for now until the people make it their business to take advantage of the lax borders )...but what would be your take on the fast increase in population in Ireland.

pablomakaveli

Expect an even larger increase by next year. There seems to be a large number of heavily pregnant women around lately.

JONJO THE MISER

You know we cant sustain a big Increase in the population in Ireland, look the recession we are in at the moment wont end until maybe 2015/16 for Ireland and then we will have 700,000 on the Live Register, when a recovery starts it would take decades to reduce the live Register to where it was in the boom years, in the height of the boom we were only creating 40,0000 Jobs per year so when a recovery comes it, firstly it will not reach the boom years with the amount of new Jobs created maybe 10,000 new Jobs per year at most, so in effect People will need to leave Ireland to get work Just as they have done down the years, now a good few people wont be able to leave due to mortgages and family so in effect Ireland is screwed for decades and decades to come, anybody who is over 40 and worked in the building trade better get used to live on the dole for they will never again get a Job and this also applys to Professionals if they dont go abroad to look for work. It sounds depressing i Know but we better get used to it because those are the facts my dear Friends.

Jim236

procure11 wrote: »

I would imagine why you dont care about the UK...

And whys that?

Red Sleeping Beauty

The amount of pregnant women I saw in town (yes, Dublin city centre town!) the other day was surprising I thought. You'd think people would've put off having a new kid during a recession. Fair play to them though, I want some of the optimism they're on!

procure11

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

You know we cant sustain a big Increase in the population in Ireland, look the recession we are in at the moment wont end until maybe 2015/16 for Ireland and then we will have 700,000 on the Live Register, when a recovery starts it would take decades to reduce the live Register to where it was in the boom years, in the height of the boom we were only creating 40,0000 Jobs per year so when a recovery comes it, firstly it will not reach the boom years with the amount of new Jobs created maybe 10,000 new Jobs per year at most, so in effect People will need to leave Ireland to get work Just as they have done down the years, now a good few people wont be able to leave due to mortgages and family so in effect Ireland is screwed for decades and decades to come, anybody who is over 40 and worked in the building trade better get used to live on the dole for they will never again get a Job and this also applys to Professionals if they dont go abroad to look for work. It sounds depressing i Know but we better get used to it because those are the facts my dear Friends.

Apart from the fact that your post was a bit squashed up....spot on!

Carawaystick

procure11 wrote: »

....due to the baby boom and immigration.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8224520.stm


There was a similar report last week about Ireland

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/baby-boom-puts-us-on-top-of-birth-rate-league-1595

What are your thoughts?

I think who gives a crap about some foreign country and your link to the indo is broke.

There were 8million of us here before the brits starved us in the mid 19th century.

xOxSinéadxOx

procure11 wrote: »

Apart from the fact that your post was a bit squashed up....spot on!

I'll have to go back and read it now. it was too squashed for me to take the risk before.

JONJO THE MISER

xOxSinéadxOx wrote: »

I'll have to go back and read it now. it was too squashed for me to take the risk before.

Jeez soryyyy im not a pefectionist:rolleyes:

procure11

Carawaystick wrote: »

I think who gives a crap about some foreign country and your link to the indo is broke.

There were 8million of us here before the brits starved us in the mid 19th century.

I have had no complaints about the Indo link being broke ...but here is a similar one

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article6797822.ece

well unless you would complain it came from a UK website!!

I think your extrapolation of what occured in the 19th century to what is.. in 2009 and the challenges thereof are quite amusing tbh...

procure11

xOxSinéadxOx wrote: »

I'll have to go back and read it now. it was too squashed for me to take the risk before.

Lol.....Cheeky ...you

Jim236

procure11 wrote: »

I think your extrapolation of what occured in the 19th century to what is.. in 2009 and the challenges thereof are quite amusing tbh...

Doesn't take much to get you goin so does it?:rolleyes:

And who actually talks like that?lol

Oh and btw yer link is broken for me too...

procure11

Jim236 wrote: »

Doesn't take much to get you goin so does it?:rolleyes:

And who actually talks like that?lol

Oh and btw yer link is broken for me too...

Then two cliches come to mind...
1.Grow up
2.Get over it.

P.S...have you checked the new link...(caution...it is a UK website tho)

Jim236

procure11 wrote: »

Then two cliches come to mind...
1.Grow up
2.Get over it.

P.S...have you checked the new link...(caution...it is a UK website tho)

I didnt check it no, I just saw ".co.uk" and said "fcuk that!".

rossie1977

there was 8 million+ living on this island before the famine

anyways the problem is not the uk and its paltry 60 million, the problem is asia and its every growing population, standing today at roughly 4 billion some 60% of the total worlds population despite only having 30% of the worlds landmass

heyjude

Ireland had a population of 8 million before the Famine, so our population today is still a long way short of its all time high, even allowing for those living in Northern Ireland.

brummytom

We need to kill people who are of no value.

First people who watch Big Brother, when both of those are killed then begins the culling of the watchers of the rest of these mind-numbing shows (except for X Factor, because I liked that).

Then we kill the other thick people.

JONJO THE MISER

heyjude wrote: »

Ireland had a population of 8 million before the Famine, so our population today is still a long way short of its all time high, even allowing for those living in Northern Ireland.

Yes you are right, but you cant look at it like this, Just because we had that population Before this not mean we can sustain it again, the way our economy has progressed is based on having a population of 2.5 million in 1990 to having close to 4 million now, we could support 4 million people during the boom years but there is no way we can support it now nor in the future.

JupiterKid

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Yes you are right, but you cant look at it like this, Just because we had that population Before this not mean we can sustain it again, the way our economy has progressed is based on having a population of 2.5 million in 1990 to having close to 4 million now, we could support 4 million people during the boom years but there is no way we can support it now nor in the future.

This is wrong on so many counts. Firstly, the population of the Republic on Ireland was 3.5 million in 1990, not 2.5 million. Secondly, the current population stands at 4.4 million.

JONJO THE MISER

JupiterKid wrote: »

This is wrong on so many counts. Firstly, the population of the Republic on Ireland was 3.5 million in 1990, not 2.5 million. Secondly, the current population stands at 4.4 million.

My mistake i meant 3.5 in 1990 but the current population is 4.2 million according to the C.S.O http://www.cso.ie/statistics/Population1901-2006.htm

K-9

Sure 3.5 million was too much in 1990.

JupiterKid

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

My mistake i meant 3.5 in 1990 but the current population is 4.2 million according to the C.S.O http://www.cso.ie/statistics/Population1901-2006.htm

Yes, 4.2 million at Census 2006 but estimated to be around 4.4 million in 2008. 2009 population estimates come out in September. It'll be around 4.5 million I reckon.

What's driving population growth now in Ireland is a very high birth rate. 10 years ago it was immigration that was fualling the population increase, but now it's natural increase. I think emigration has now probably surpassed immigration but natural incraese will keep the pop rising for a couple of more years yet, to census 2011 anyway.

But after 2011, if the economy stays bad, we could see a pop decline, just as we did between 1986 and 1991.

Rebelheart

heyjude wrote: »

Ireland had a population of 8 million before the Famine, so our population today is still a long way short of its all time high, even allowing for those living in Northern Ireland.

Indeed that is very true. It's little short of amazing that somebody could overlook the minor matter of An Gorta Mór and claim Ireland's population is at "an all time high" in 2009 with only 75% of the population figure for Ireland pre-1845.

procure11

JupiterKid wrote: »

Yes, 4.2 million at Census 2006 but estimated to be around 4.4 million in 2008. 2009 population estimates come out in September. It'll be around 4.5 million I reckon.

What's driving population growth now in Ireland is a very high birth rate. 10 years ago it was immigration that was fualling the population increase, but now it's natural increase. I think emigration has now probably surpassed immigration but natural incraese will keep the pop rising for a couple of more years yet, to census 2011 anyway.

But after 2011, if the economy stays bad, we could see a pop decline, just as we did between 1986 and 1991.

What gives you that impression?....the dynamics are quite different.Between 1986 and 1991 ..there was negligible amount of foreigners in Ireland as opposed to 2009...if the negative economic trend continues...Yes...some Irish citizens might emmigrate and the ones that stay would stop procreating...but some non-nationals would not leave or stop procreating because whatever the circumstances it would ostensibly be better than going back home.

blubloblu

Didnt we have 10 million before the famine?

Captain Furball

procure11 wrote: »

What are your thoughts?

Irish people are not having as many kids anymore.Europe is to bring in up to 50 million Africans in the coming years.In france 40% of babies are born to Muslim women.French people are a minority in their own country by 2040.

Kalashnikov_Kid

Captain Furball wrote: »

Irish people are not having as many kids anymore.Europe is to bring in up to 50 million Africans in the coming years.In france 40% of babies are born to Muslim women.French people are a minority in their own country by 2040.

link?

K-9

procure11 wrote: »

What gives you that impression?....the dynamics are quite different.Between 1986 and 1991 ..there was negligible amount of foreigners in Ireland as opposed to 2009...if the negative economic trend continues...Yes...some Irish citizens might emmigrate and the ones that stay would stop procreating...but some non-nationals would not leave or stop procreating because whatever the circumstances it would ostensibly be better than going back home.

Yep, SOME immigrants will not leave.

Love your summary, it conveniently scapegoats Non Nationals, whatever a Non National is!

We really should go back to 2002 pre property bubble population levels.

Basically, people should stop pro creating.

Captain Furball

no

Kalashnikov_Kid

Captain Furball wrote: »

no

I would hesitate to believe those figures then

kumate_champ07

Was the population not a lot higher during the late 70's?

MultiUmm

brummytom wrote: »

We need to kill people who are of no value.

First people who watch Big Brother, when both of those are killed then begins the culling of the watchers of the rest of these mind-numbing shows (except for X Factor, because I liked that).

Then we kill the other thick people.

Pfft. You might as well be saying "We need to get rid of all the criminals (except the drug dealers, beacause I need them for my fix)

limklad

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

look the recession we are in at the moment wont end until maybe 2015/16 for Ireland

Are you predicating the 2nd Great depression? :eek:

Note: The First great Depression was English Rule and the effect of recovering from it until the start of the Celtic Tiger which was torture by Bxxxx Cxxxx - now wanted for Abuse of Animals.

Red Sleeping Beauty

limklad wrote: »

Are you predicating the 2nd Great depression? :eek:

Lets have a sing song

grenache

I know Ireland wasn't a sovereign country in the 1840s, but in pre-famine times we had 8.1 million. So its not an all time high, technically.

Captain Furball

Kalashnikov_Kid wrote: »

I would hesitate to believe those figures then

I'm sorry everything a person knows doesn't necessarily correlate to a link on a website of some sorts.
I've read this on actual paper lol sorry bud.Have an old gander around i'm sure your google skills are black belt!!!

kumate_champ07

Alan Rouge wrote: »

The amount of pregnant women I saw in town (yes, Dublin city centre town!) the other day was surprising I thought. You'd think people would've put off having a new kid during a recession. Fair play to them though, I want some of the optimism they're on!

the problem is women are just too sexy

Gummy Panda

Thats a lot of people which means a lot of G's when world war z starts.

We're ****ed!

ejmaztec

grenache wrote: »

I know Ireland wasn't a sovereign country in the 1840s, but in pre-famine times we had 8.1 million. So its not an all time high, technically.

Peasants all over the world were more cost-effective in those days, because they all worked for peanuts, and because they were largely self-sufficient, they didn't get robbed in their local Spar, so a larger population could be sustained.

Nowadays? We're screwed.:eek:

stovelid

A baby export business could simultaneously provide a much-needed source revenue and a population control measure.

ejmaztec

stovelid wrote: »

A baby export business could simultaneously provide a much-needed source revenue and a population control measure.

That would mean that the gingers would be the only ones left, because you couldn't even give 'em away. Ginger pies might be a solution, however.