The government are bastards. right?

AckwelFoley

Bashing the government has become a bigger meme than ever before.

Many reasons are valid. Many are absolute bollocks.

My question is, do you honestly think that any of the other political parties would be any different? Or is it soley the government TD's that are the crooks and the "bastards"

Holsten

Yes, some would be different.

My name is URL

I think we'd be the same no matter who's in charge tbh.

Most people have been crooks since the Celtic Tiger years, not just those in charge.

People building 2-3 houses have the cheek to blame the government because they can't pay back loans!

Take them all out back and shoot them I say

AlkalineAcid

snyper wrote: »

My question is, do you honestly think that any of the other political parties would be any different?

No.

jumpguy

My question is, do you honestly think that any of the other political parties would be any different? Or is it soley the government TD's that are the crooks and the "bastards"

No, not really. I think all TD's should be professionals in their department, but them again, it's the public who voted them.

The same public who said no to Lisbon without even understanding it.
The same public who voted Fianna Fáil back into government when they finally had the chance.
The same public who haven't had a massive protest since the early 1900's.

See? It's our faults for being a retarded majority too.

Ireland would've still gone into a massive recession. It's the decisions that would've changed, and the speed of such things. If another party had the balls to withstand the unions and swaying public opinion in order to do the patriotic thing and save our country, it might've been. Enda Kenny doesn't strike me as a man who has that level of patriotism and self-sacrifice.

indough

they would be different in some ways but equally ****e

its not like they could ever hope to please everyone even if they were good at their jobs

giggsy664

Yes

We need a Pedo-Biffo/Pedo-Brian seal of approval for this thread


Nao !!

dr.bollocko

I can totally see why the government bastards deserve a thread like this, but there is also a government cnuts thread.
I would merge but they are both bastards and cnunts.

giggsy664

I lol'd

Chips Lovell

You get what you vote for.

Mr Benevolent

what's a meme?

My question is, do you honestly think that any of the other political parties would be any different?

Of course not. Democracy doesn't work the way it was intended to. What we have is not a democracy, it's an elected oligarchy. Same for every other 'civilised' country except Switzerland.

stovelid

They're a bit different to other robbers, bastards and unpopular people insofar as everybody loved them a year or two ago.

Even if they (the voters) all seem to be suffering from collective amnesia about it at the moment.

Confab wrote: »

what's a meme?
.

A mother, said in a culchie accent.

Unpossible

snyper wrote: »

My question is, do you honestly think that any of the other political parties would be any different? Or is it soley the government TD's that are the crooks and the "bastards"

Daddy tells me no and to keep voting for FF or I'm out of the family*




*may not be true

genericguy

jumpguy wrote: »

No, not really. I think all TD's should be professionals in their department, but them again, it's the public who voted them.

The same public who said no to Lisbon without even understanding it.
The same public who voted Fianna Fáil back into government when they finally had the chance.
The same public who haven't had a massive protest since the early 1900's.

+1, i hate you public bstards.

i still can't get my head around where people actually came up with the abortion issue from the lisbon treaty. also, I'd be pretty sure that if there was a general election tomorrow, people would vote FF back in.

Knee Grow Plz

snyper wrote: »

Bashing the government has become a bigger meme than ever before.

Many reasons are valid. Many are absolute bollocks.

My question is, do you honestly think that any of the other political parties would be any different? Or is it soley the government TD's that are the crooks and the "bastards"

It is not really a "meme" Just what people are saying.

AckwelFoley

Knee Grow Plz wrote: »

It is not really a "meme" Just what people are saying.

World recession - Blaim the government
Wetest July in 55 years - Blaim the government
Boyzone getting back together - Blaim the government

jumpguy

jumpguy wrote: »

No, not really. I think all TD's should be professionals in their department, but them again, it's the public who voted them.

The same public who said no to Lisbon without even understanding it.
The same public who voted Fianna Fáil back into government when they finally had the chance.
The same public who haven't had a massive protest since the early 1900's.

See? It's our faults for being a retarded majority too.

Ireland would've still gone into a massive recession. It's the decisions that would've changed, and the speed of such things. If another party had the balls to withstand the unions and swaying public opinion in order to do the patriotic thing and save our country, it might've been. Enda Kenny doesn't strike me as a man who has that level of patriotism and self-sacrifice.

That from a teenager in after hours. There is hope in the world!


you are a teenager....right?

K4t

jumpguy wrote: »

No, not really. I think all TD's should be professionals in their department, but them again, it's the public who voted them.

The same public who said no to Lisbon without even understanding it.
The same public who voted Fianna Fáil back into government when they finally had the chance.

Voting YES to Lisbon without understanding it would have been equally stupid.
In fairness the country was booming at the time and yet still, many many Irish people voted against FF because of them and Bertie's shenanigans. Sadly not enough though.

Persoanlly I think Labour would have handled things a lot better and could do if in power. Eamon Gilmore is an honest man and would do this country and the people justice. However, Ireland doesn't seem to want to adopt a leftist government, even in the midst of this tragedy.

Knee Grow Plz

snyper wrote: »

World recession - Blaim the government
Wetest July in 55 years - Blaim the government
Boyzone getting back together - Blaim the government

That is not a meme?

Blackpitts

Knee Grow Plz wrote: »

That is not a meme?

and what's a blaim? :rolleyes:

Knee Grow Plz

Blackpitts wrote: »

and what's a blaim? :rolleyes:

I don't know. Blame spelt wrong?1? Why are you asking me?

PrivateEye

Bashing the government has become a bigger meme than ever before.

Linking your mates to a 1980s pop song when they expected something else is a meme.

Losing 10% of your weekly income

having your social welfare payments cut

being faced with a re-introduction of third level fees

losing your job at short notice because of a financial mess created by others, watching those very people recieve a 'helping hand' from your government so that in the long-term at least they might get their desks back

watching John O' Donoghue basically get away with spending thousands and thousands of tax pays Euros in five star hotels

watching a government hand away billions of euros in natural resources and then use the states security resources to over-see the giveaway

watching a man walk away from a tribunal and back into Fagans for a pint

watching a 'left wing' party get into bed with Fianna Fail and abandon its basic policy papers

and watching thousands of people move closer and closer to taking inevitable strike action is not a meme. It's a fu<king nightmare.

Would it be any different under Fine Gael? Not a hope. Its a Murphys/Beamish situation we're in, no matter which one you get it still leaves a horrible taste in your mouth.

CatacombKittens

jumpguy wrote: »

No, not really. I think all TD's should be professionals in their department, but them again, it's the public who voted them.

The same public who said no to Lisbon without even understanding it.
The same public who voted Fianna Fáil back into government when they finally had the chance.
The same public who haven't had a massive protest since the early 1900's.

See? It's our faults for being a retarded majority too.

Ireland would've still gone into a massive recession. It's the decisions that would've changed, and the speed of such things. If another party had the balls to withstand the unions and swaying public opinion in order to do the patriotic thing and save our country, it might've been. Enda Kenny doesn't strike me as a man who has that level of patriotism and self-sacrifice.

I honestly agree with this. Irish people in my experience are generally childish, apathetic and unpleasant. They have a tendancy to engage in what someone over on the PROC called "Intellectual Vandalism" whenever anyone takes something serious, seriously, joking around with extremely unfunny humour. And then take themselves and imaginary social standards way too seriously.

I've just met so many ditzy Irish people and so few good ones. Even foreigners who stay over here become consumed by our bull**** culture.

AckwelFoley

Knee Grow Plz wrote: »

That is not a meme?

sweetheart. my point is people say alot of things, most of it is bollocks based on shoite they hear on the left wing media.

It must be an Irish thing to say the easy thing and go with the flow, without thinking about what they are saying, or perhaps have a spine and stand behind their convictions. It amuses me that the government is elected yet i can think of about 4 people on boards.ie that openly support the government.

jumpguy

Deleted User wrote: »

That from a teenager in after hours. There is hope in the world!


you are a teenager....right?

Yeah I am. :pac:

K4t wrote: »

Voting YES to Lisbon without understanding it would have been equally stupid.
In fairness the country was booming at the time and yet still, many many Irish people voted against FF because of them and Bertie's shenanigans. Sadly not enough though.

Persoanlly I think Labour would have handled things a lot better and could do if in power. Eamon Gilmore is an honest man and would do this country and the people justice. However, Ireland doesn't seem to want to adopt a leftist government, even in the midst of this tragedy.

True, voting yes without understanding would've been equally stupid. However, it was the no vote that won hence I said that, I wasn't trying to push my agenda (but I do support Lisbon).
I remember at the time Bertie's shenanigans weren't the only thing on the voter's mind. The economy was showing signs of danger. Then again, you'd think internal corruption would've been enough to oust a government.
I agree with you on labour. Eamon Gilmore seems like a genuine, straight-thinking, down-to-earth yet ballsy guy. However, from watching them in interviews (okay, Nightly News With Vincent Brown) they seemed to be just another party criticizing Fianna Fáil over and over and not saying what THEY'D do if the shoe was on the other foot.

AckwelFoley

PrivateEye wrote: »

Linking your mates to a 1980s pop song when they expected something else is a meme.

Losing 10% of your weekly income Welcome to the global recession, only 10%? You are lucky

having your social welfare payments cut Ive been on it for 6 months its too high, it should be cut

being faced with a re-introduction of third level fees Paying for education?! The Horror!!

losing your job at short notice because of a financial mess created by others, watching those very people recieve a 'helping hand' from your government so that in the long-term at least they might get their desks back

You dont understand the importants of secure banks

watching John O' Donoghue basically get away with spending thousands and thousands of tax pays Euros in five star hotels The Bastard


watching a government hand away billions of euros in natural resources and then use the states security resources to over-see the giveaway

Yea, we should have got on our jcbs and dug it out of the sea ourselves

watching a man walk away from a tribunal and back into Fagans for a pint
If i was hauled up to a tribunal, id go for a pint after it

watching a 'left wing' party get into bed with Fianna Fail and abandon its basic policy papers
I agree



Would it be any different under Fine Gael? Not a hope. Its a Murphys/Beamish situation we're in, no matter which one you get it still leaves a horrible taste in your mouth.
You are being defeatist, based on the belief that all politicians are useless. They're not

....

Poor Uncle Tom

Down with this sort of stuff...

AckwelFoley

jumpguy wrote: »

.
I agree with you on labour. Eamon Gilmore seems like a genuine, straight-thinking, down-to-earth yet ballsy guy. However, from watching them in interviews (okay, Nightly News With Vincent Brown) they seemed to be just another party criticizing Fianna Fáil over and over and not saying what THEY'D do if the shoe was on the other foot.

Fixed you post there.

Hes a good politician, with poor ideas.

K4t

snyper wrote: »

sweetheart. my point is people say alot of things, most of it is bollocks based on shoite they hear on the left wing media.

Such a thing still exists in this country?

snyper wrote: »

It must be an Irish thing to say the easy thing and go with the flow, without thinking about what they are saying, or perhaps have a spine and stand behind their convictions. It amuses me that the government is elected yet i can think of about 4 people on boards.ie that openly support the government.

They were elected because a few years ago things were all rosy and life was good. Simple as that. There's no big mystery to any of this politics bull****, my friend.

Knee Grow Plz

snyper wrote: »

sweetheart. my point is people say alot of things, most of it is bollocks based on shoite they hear on the left wing media.

It must be an Irish thing to say the easy thing and go with the flow, without thinking about what they are saying, or perhaps have a spine and stand behind their convictions. It amuses me that the government is elected yet i can think of about 4 people on boards.ie that openly support the government.

I still don't see the "meme" connection

A meme being what it is.

ejmaztec

We should get rid of every last one of the politicians in Ireland (because most of them are sh1t), and bring in Berlusconi. We could then laugh our way out of recession.

bogs

Be damned ye fianna fail party who govern our ISLE and what our forefathers died for to give us a republic.Cowan and company plus supporters need to be kicked over the cliffs of moher and to clense the political system for the upcoming generation(God help them)

jumpguy

snyper wrote: »

Fixed you post there.

Hes a good politician, with poor ideas.

That's your opinion. My post is just fine.

ShooterSF

It really doesn't matter if they're any better or not. The current govt. needs to be taught a lesson. They played a big part in fukin this country up and they have to realise that comes with a punishment.
If the opposition do no better change them the next time and so on until we train the politicians into understanding if they want to get elected more than once they better do a good job.
This bollix of will anyone do any better is crap because we can't afford to allow FF and the Greens to continue to run the country into the ground out of fear that no one will do any better.
Atleast with a change we have a chance of doing better. Anyone thinking of voting for FF or the Greens in the next election I offer you some words from a Mr. Einstein,
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

andrew

Charlie McCreevy: "When I have it, I spend it."
General Public: YAY!

As long as politicians continue to be populist we're screwed, and as far as I can see politicians in every party are populists who refuse to stand up and do the unpopular (yet sensible) thing. That's the problem with haivng elected representatives. The alternative, of course, is much worse though.

RonMexico

The real answer is that the general public are a bunch of gob****es for electing these morons repeatedly and then as the country is plunging down the sewer resort to grumbling about it instead of burning the rats from their cozy nests.

Fremen

snyper wrote: »

Bashing the government has become a bigger meme than ever before.

Many reasons are valid. Many are absolute bollocks.

My question is, do you honestly think that any of the other political parties would be any different? Or is it soley the government TD's that are the crooks and the "bastards"

The longer a party are in power, the more they are inclined to rest on their laurels. Time spent in power also correlates with corruption. Look at labour in the UK.
They started off progressive, energetic and left of center. Twelve years later, they're incompetent, they're eroding civil liberties, and they're mooching off their expenses allowance.

Unless a political party is given a kick up the arse every once in a while, they'll just grow fat. As Fianna Fail have done.

K-Ren

Ireland just has a really lousy party system in that they haven't figured out that policies, and the invention of new and different ones, are the corner-stone of most governments. I was well suprised when Enda Kenny actually came out with a policy on Health-care earlier in the year. Most of the time in the Dáil is spent taking pot-shots at Brian Cowen, instead of showing why Enda Kenny and Fine Gael would form a better government.

Next election people, spoil your votes like never before!

AckwelFoley

K-Ren wrote: »

Next election people, spoil your votes like never before!

why waste the paper?

Why dont you run for election?

People die for the right to vote. Its the single biggest privilege for any citizen living in a democracy, disrespecting it by soiling it with some gobsh1te markings is pointless and serves no purpose.

If you dont like the politicians running, stand for election yourself. Its the beauty of democracy.

Chips Lovell

snyper wrote: »

If you dont like the politicians running, stand for election yourself. Its the beauty of democracy.

Or persuade someone you do like to stand.

José Alaninho

Recommend thread title change - "All Politicians are bastards"

Far more accurate and all-encompassing.

Long Onion

Ah why bother, you'll only get elected if you have the family name. Look at those embarassments to humanity in kerry with their thick accents and stupid fcuking hats.

Look at the money laundering tax evader in Castlebar and they keep getting elected. Could I seriously ask anyone on this site who has voted for any of the above to fcuk off to Iran in a swimsuit armed with a bottle of bucky and a porn mag - you embarass me.

bakkiesbotha

PrivateEye wrote: »

losing your job at short notice because of a financial mess created by others,

Don't 99% of people get their jobs in the first place because of situations created by others?

Can't have it both ways.

K-Ren

snyper wrote: »

why waste the paper?

Why dont you run for election?

People die for the right to vote. Its the single biggest privilege for any citizen living in a democracy, disrespecting it by soiling it with some gobsh1te markings is pointless and serves no purpose.

If you dont like the politicians running, stand for election yourself. Its the beauty of democracy.

Spoiling your vote is a perfectly valid way of expressing your disatisfaction with the government, that's why it's a part of the voting system. It's not sitting on your arse, not going to the polling booth and then complaining, spoiling your vote is part of the political process, as it forces political parties to broaden their range of appeal in order to win more votes. The ' Why don't you run for election yourself ' attitude is such a high concentration of undiluted cobblers. I don't run for election because I don't want to. I have a choice to do what I like, that's the beauty of deomcracy.

Cookie_Monster

snyper wrote: »

My question is, do you honestly think that any of the other political parties would be any different? Or is it soley the government TD's that are the crooks and the "bastards"

The German ones would be, we should get them in:pac:

Degsy

Sod the government..this is all our own fault for putting up with it.
In albania a similar thing happened with pyramid schemes collapsing and bankrupting the country..what happened?The people put the country to the torch.
This is what we shoul do before it gets any worse..burn down leinster house,shoot the property developers and wipe out the estate-loads of professional dole scrounging criminals that are bleeding the country white.
What we really need is a civil war to sort us out.