College Green - the post mortem

markpb

I passed through College Green this morning at 8.35 was well impressed at the difference the bus gate made. Buses were flowing properly, they could pull up to the bus stops properly, pedestrians could cross with ease, taxi drivers were behaving themselves and there were no delivery trucks blocking the road.

I was previously pessimistic about the impact this would have but it seems to have done the trick. College Green is actually a nice place to be now. I guess long term it depends on the level of enforcement from the Gardai. Fitting a few street lights so it doesn't feel like a dark alley at night would be a big help but one thing at a time.

techdiver

I echo the comments of the OP. The busses breezed through today which is very welcome. Suppose the big test is this evening when traffic is often worse.

Riskymove

I needed to drive in today and found it extremely light, not sure if people are simply avoiding today!

I drove right in to d'olier street to have a look...college green basically empty, will be great for buses

my usual 67 can take a long time just to get from college green to westmoreland street! This will make a huge improvement.

Riskymove

techdiver wrote: »

Suppose the big test is this evening when traffic is often worse.

and add in U2 at Croker tonight!!

furtzy

Would work a lot better if Dublin Bus didn't park up and block access to Townsend Street. Its a joke they get away with this

markpb

furtzy wrote: »

Would work a lot better if Dublin Bus didn't park up and block access to Townsend Street. Its a joke they get away with this

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Do you mean Hawkins st or Marlborough St? I've never seen many buses on Townsend St.

furtzy

markpb wrote: »

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Do you mean Hawkins st or Marlborough St? I've never seen many buses on Townsend St.

No. They are parked up on the left hand lane on D'Olier street therefore making it very difficult to turn onto Townsend Street as you have to cut in front of buses pulling out. Its an accident waiting to happen

dmeehan

is there much traffic on westmoreland st now as a result of this bus gate?
would it be feasible to put in a traffic island for busstops down the middle of the street as i remember this being chaotic with busses pulling in around other busses trying to pull out etc. (was a long time ago though)

lucernarian

The 3 goes down Townsend St usually, doesn't it? And some of the Balinteer buses, not sure if it was the 48A or one of the 44s.

spacetweek

furtzy wrote: »

No. They are parked up on the left hand lane on D'Olier street therefore making it very difficult to turn onto Townsend Street as you have to cut in front of buses pulling out. Its an accident waiting to happen

Buses have priority on all city centre streets. As a motorist you don't have any particular rights here. You're in their way, not the other way around.

Keep this in mind when you complain about a bus being in your way when it's pulling in to drop off/let on passengers, and otherwise going about its business.

furtzy

spacetweek wrote: »

Buses have priority on all city centre streets. As a motorist you don't have any particular rights here. You're in their way, not the other way around.

Keep this in mind when you complain about a bus being in your way when it's pulling in to drop off/let on passengers, and otherwise going about its business.

They are parked up with the drivers out having a chat. Surely they could pick somewhere else to do this instead of blocking the only lane that cars will be using now on D'Olier street during the bus gate hours. There is going to be a serious smack some morning if today is anything to go by

Riskymove

furtzy wrote: »

They are parked up with the drivers out having a chat. Surely they could pick somewhere else to do this instead of blocking the only lane that cars will be using now on D'Olier street during the bus gate hours. There is going to be a serious smack some morning if today is anything to go by

er..they are parked.....so use the next lane and then move into left lane at top of row of parked buses?

I went through this morning with no issues

furtzy

Riskymove wrote: »

er..they are parked.....so use the next lane and then move into left lane at top of row of parked buses?

I went through this morning with no issues

That wouldn't be a problem if they stayed parked and didn't pull out cutting across people turning down Townsend Street from the next lane,. If they just parked up on the now restricted area it would cure the problem leaving the left hand lane on D'Olier street for all the cars now forced down Townsend street

dereko1969

furtzy wrote: »

That wouldn't be a problem if they stayed parked and didn't pull out cutting across people turning down Townsend Street from the next lane,. If they just parked up on the now restricted area it would cure the problem leaving the left hand lane on D'Olier street for all the cars now forced down Townsend street

yep park in the restricted area, that'll really help the buses move through quickly and safely, great suggestion!

furtzy

dereko1969 wrote: »

yep park in the restricted area, that'll really help the buses move through quickly and safely, great suggestion!

As opposed to parking on D'Olier street....that really helps the traffic. Its not a restricted area for buses is it????????

bazzer

furtzy wrote: »

Would work a lot better if Dublin Bus didn't park up and block access to Townsend Street. Its a joke they get away with this

The only bus I've ever seen parked on D'Olier Street is the Vodafone staff shuttle - and that's nothing to do with Dublin Bus. Except for a couple of evening services which start from there, DB do not park buses on that street.

Riskymove

furtzy wrote: »

As opposed to parking on D'Olier street....that really helps the traffic. Its not a restricted area for buses is it????????

there are bus stops the length of d'olier including the first pick-up points for a few...I presume that's why they are there..

...other buses pull in to pick-up/drop-off and then have to pull out again!!

I don't see the issue

Cookie_Monster

There are a few rush hours busses as far as i can remember that park on D'olier St, namely those additional 46a/c/e/145/"mystery 3 from bray" that only run to Westmoreland St and swing around to D'olier to await a start there as another service.

KC61

furtzy wrote: »

As opposed to parking on D'Olier street....that really helps the traffic. Its not a restricted area for buses is it????????

There are no termini in D'Olier Street only regular bus stops. If there are to be no bus stops on that street where do you suggest that they relocate to, especially since Dublin Bus have already lost space on Lower O'Connell Street?

There are a small number of Stillorgan QBC services that terminate there and are then at the inspector's call, but everything else just stops to set down/pick up.

With the high volume of routes stopping there (all the Stillorgan and Lucan QBC routes serve it in addition to many cross-city routes) there are bound to be very large numbers of buses stopped to set down/pick up in the morning and evening rush hours.

markpb

KC61 wrote: »

There are no termini in D'Olier Street only regular bus stops.

Perhaps he means when inspectors regulate the 46A route by holding buses there and blocking other buses from getting to the bus stops. Likewise the way they hold the 123 on O'Connell St and reduce one of the busiest streets in the country to a single lane and block all the other buses trying to get off the bridge. I guess while I'm on a rant, I could point out that DB also use Hawkins St to park buses and actually block the street from being used by active buses like the 27X. They really are their own worst enemy sometimes.

KC61 wrote: »

With the high volume of routes stopping there (all the Stillorgan and Lucan QBC routes serve it in addition to many cross-city routes) there are bound to be very large numbers of buses stopped to set down/pick up in the morning and evening rush hours.

The northside termini should be moved to Summerhill or Broadstone and the southside termini be moved to Ringend. All are easily accessible from the city centre and should be used instead of on-street stops for layovers.

Dublin Bus' refusal to use middle doors, articulated buses with *at least* three sets of doors and off bus ticket sales all cause huge delays at bus stops, affecting their own service.

Carawaystick

33n and 41n have their terminus on D'Olier St. And others but they don't go my way.

faceman

There should be no bus terminus in the city centre whatsoever. It makes no sense.

You cant judge the affair a success yet as the builders and schools are on holidays. Traffic is light at the mo anyway.

First of all you need to define success first.

If success is that buses journeys are improved but at a cost of increasing journey times for other road users as well as inhibiting businesses that require people to be on the road (such as delivery people, couriers etc), then that IMO is a failure.

KC61

Carawaystick wrote: »

33n and 41n have their terminus on D'Olier St. And others but they don't go my way.

I was referring to normal daytime bus routes.

KC61

markpb wrote: »

Perhaps he means when inspectors regulate the 46A route by holding buses there and blocking other buses from getting to the bus stops. Likewise the way they hold the 123 on O'Connell St and reduce one of the busiest streets in the country to a single lane and block all the other buses trying to get off the bridge. I guess while I'm on a rant, I could point out that DB also use Hawkins St to park buses and actually block the street from being used by active buses like the 27X. They really are their own worst enemy sometimes.

The northside termini should be moved to Summerhill or Broadstone and the southside termini be moved to Ringend. All are easily accessible from the city centre and should be used instead of on-street stops for layovers.

Dublin Bus' refusal to use middle doors, articulated buses with *at least* three sets of doors and off bus ticket sales all cause huge delays at bus stops, affecting their own service.

With a bit of luck the need for regulation will diminish as the results of the bus gate take off.

To be fair to Dublin Bus they have lost Middle Abbey Street, Lower Abbey Street (south side), Burgh Quay, Wellington Quay and College Street as bus termini.

That is a hell of a lot of space.

If you route everything to Broadstone/Ringsend/Summerhill then you end up with far too many vehicles operating on the approach roads to those locations. There is still a need for some termini in the city centre, but I would think that certainly some of the buses terminating at Parnell Square could go onto Broadstone.

Cookie_Monster

Parnell Sq could reasonably easily be redesigned to allow for a proper bus terminal to be put in place.

One with islands something like this: L is a normal traffic lane

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Similar could be done on Merrion Sq where vast amounts of space are wasted at tthe moment. But that would spoil Brian's view of the park :P

meanmachine3

markpb wrote: »

Likewise the way they hold the 123 on O'Connell St and reduce one of the busiest streets in the country to a single lane and block all the other buses trying to get off the bridge. I guess while I'm on a rant, I could point out that DB also use Hawkins St to park buses and actually block the street from being used by active buses like the 27X. They really are their own worst enemy sometimes.

firstly the 123 issue is/was being dealt with ,it was pointed out to management that what was being done was illgeal. but then most of the stuff that goes on in o'connell street is illegal anyway.
123 issue, tour buses ,taxi's that park half on the path and half on the outside lane by the way ,this has more of a knock on affect than anything else illegal in o'connel street, that being traffic backed up as far as blessington street then as soon as you get past these taxi's it's plain sailing all the way down o'connell street. so in essence one car blocks up the whole ****ing place.( no word about this being mentioned.)
the 27X should not be using hawkins street in the first place as they would be going off route.
look it if the rules of the road had been enforced from day one we wouldn't be in this mess and most likey wouldn't need the bus corridor. entrance to pearse street garda stn: been a bus lane there for many years but it has never been enforced? NO
fleet street: buses and access only. wheres the enforcement? NON EXISTANT
left hand turn from westmoreland street onto aston quay: wheres the enforcement? NON EXISTANT
same junction, single lane being made into two, three lanes: wheres the enforcement? NON EXISTANT
F.F.S. i have just mentioned a number of areas basically right beside each other and the law has never been enforced here.

Riskymove

KC61 wrote: »

There are no termini in D'Olier Street only regular bus stops.

but some bus routes start from there, hence they may be parked there before starting

gurramok

Just got back from Amiens st southbound(passing thru at about 5:40pm), it was blocked all the way up to the Five Lamps and passed it, first time in many months. I couldn't pinpoint why, no obvious reason.
Last time this happened was when one of the quays was blocked due to a tragic accident, a once off.

I just hope firstly its not due to the bus gate and secondly its not a sign of things to come regularly!

gurramok

Riskymove wrote: »

but some bus routes start from there, hence they may be parked there before starting

I concur with furtzy, some buses do rest there for long periods for whatever reason, day or night. Its a guessing game as to whether buses are going to pull out or not as they do not have their hazards on and sometimes never indicate.

The result is that 2 lanes are taken up for traffic turning left onto Dolier st which is ridiculous. (might be better now that the bus gate prevents the other lanes been used by cars!)

J_Dublin15

O'Connell Street Nortbound was pretty heavy half 5 tonight, possibly the worst I've seen it to be honest, Soutbound it was pretty good however.

The issue at D'Olier street often is a 46A goes from Mountjoy Square with pax on, the inspector there gets on and hold the bus from anywhere between 5-10 minutes on occasions.

KC61

Riskymove wrote: »

but some bus routes start from there, hence they may be parked there before starting

No daytime bus routes start in D'Olier Street, only Nitelinks.

KC61

gurramok wrote: »

I concur with furtzy, some buses do rest there for long periods for whatever reason, day or night. Its a guessing game as to whether buses are going to pull out or not as they do not have their hazards on and sometimes never indicate.

The result is that 2 lanes are taken up for traffic turning left onto Dolier st which is ridiculous. (might be better now that the bus gate prevents the other lanes been used by cars!)

Buses stop in D'Olier Street to unload passengers and pick up more ones. For the Lucan Corridor routes (25/A, 26, 66/A/B and 67/A) their last set down stop is D'Olier Street, however their terminus and parking area is Pearse Street opposite the Garda Station.

As someone who travels home from D'Olier Street on a regular basis I am well acquainted with the routes stopping there, and it's true to say that the stops can be genuinely very busy with passengers getting off and on the buses.

KC61

J_Dublin15 wrote: »

O'Connell Street Nortbound was pretty heavy half 5 tonight, possibly the worst I've seen it to be honest, Soutbound it was pretty good however.

The issue at D'Olier street often is a 46A goes from Mountjoy Square with pax on, the inspector there gets on and hold the bus from anywhere between 5-10 minutes on occasions.

Indeed he may but that stop is the far end of D'Olier Street and is not going to block the junction with Townsend Street as being suggested.

The issue is the number of routes servicing the stops on the street. And I've already pointed out that this is (in part) due to Dublin Bus losing many stops in other locations.

markpb

gurramok wrote: »

Just got back from Amiens st southbound(passing thru at about 5:40pm), it was blocked all the way up to the Five Lamps and passed it, first time in many months. I couldn't pinpoint why, no obvious reason.

J_Dublin15 wrote: »

O'Connell Street Nortbound was pretty heavy half 5 tonight, possibly the worst I've seen it to be honest

U2 concert.

J_Dublin15

markpb wrote: »

U2 concert.

Yeah, of course, silly me,

gurramok

markpb wrote: »

U2 concert.

U2 concert is northbound, not southbound!!

Feck it, i'll report on whats it like tomorrow without any concert!

Flukey

I spoke to a 145 driver before getting off and asked how the new system had worked today, as I was only getting on at St. Stephen's Green outbound. He said there were some problems up around the taxi rank near the Gresham, that the quays were very slow and that it didn't seem to be working very well. I suppose it'll take a few days to sort it out.

As to the general situation relating to buses through the centre of the city, they could ease it a bit. There are too many using O'Connell Street. For buses that are going right across the city, they could look at a few other routes. Maybe it will have to wait until the Samuel Beckett bridge opens, but they should put some of those buses across bridges east of O'Connell Bridge. Take the likes of the 13 as an example. Couldn't it, and others, go across Butt Bridge and head up Gardiner Street and head into Dorset Street that way? It is coming in from the east side, up O'Connell Street and then back out, when a more direct route is available. It wouldn't put out passengers that actually did want to get off on O'Connell Street too much. You could even have some buses coming in from the southside, turning right just after Leeson Street Bridge and going onto Fitzwilliam Street - which strangely for such a significant street and blindingly obvious link, has no regular buses - right down to Merrion Square and doing something similar to cross the Liffey over the the Butt or Becket Bridge. The likes of the 11 would be a good candidate for that, as it is heading towards Dorset Street too. Again it wouldn't discommode those heading for the centre of the city too much. It could work for Airport buses too. Ideally you'd want the 16A and 746 going through the very centre of the city, but you would still have them close to the centre and they'd be passing Busaras and Connolly Station, so they could cross the Liffey east of O'Connell Bridge too. It would be easy for the 746, as it could just turn down towards Fitzwilliam Street after coming over Leeson Street Bridge. The 16 and 16A would take a bit more work, but you could find a good route, maybe along the canal or across Hatch Street, for it to get it to cross over the Butt or Beckett Bridge. You could at least have some of their buses or variations doing that, if not every 11A/B, 13/A, 16/A and 746.

It is not ideal for those that wanted to go to the centre of the city, as it is a bit far from the centre, but if they got rid of that ridiculous toll on the East Link, that could open up a whole new corridor for cross city bus routes. Looking westward, there could be opportunities for some routes to similarly avoid the city centre, using Church Street, Bolton Street and onto the Dorset Street or up through Phibsboro and on to the northern suburbs. In conclusion, maybe it is all waiting on the Beckett Bridge, but there are plenty of options for buses to cross the Liffey at points other than O'Connell Bridge, without putting passengers out too much.

sdanseo

faceman wrote: »

There should be no bus terminus in the city centre whatsoever. It makes no sense.

With the exception of Nitelink I agree completely. Amalgamate city centre to Northside routes with matching city to Southside routes - eg

41 and 46A - Dun Laoghaire to Swords

etc.

The result will probably be a slight net gain on drivers and buses, and with any luck you wont need to pay 4.40 for the whole trip but maybe 3-4. I still maintain the best way to control traffic in Dublin is toll heavily those that make journeys in BOTH rush hours during the day; this allows for people who need to bring their car in for use during the day where the office is a base or whatever.

Unfortunately this would be unfair until capacity on the DART and LUAS is increased significantly.

Cool Mo D

The problem with that idea is that it will be very difficult to set accurate departure times from the city centre, because that would be the middle of the route. It's a great idea for all high frequency routes you don't need a timetable for though - every 15 minutes or more say. The less regular long distance services could then terminate at a few termini - Ringsend, Broadstone, Summerhill, maybe around Connolly, or Parnell Square.

I think that there should be two main types of Dublin Bus services - frequent QBC services that only run the length of one QBC, then through town, and out another one, every 10 minutes or more. No detours through housing estates, no route variations - simple high frequency services.

These could be supplemented by long distance rapid-type services (long distance = outside the M50, Swords, Blanch, Lucan, Clondalkin, North Wicklow, and past the end of a QBC) The long distance services would stop far out, then run onto a QBC, make one stop at the start before running mostly non-stop into a city terminus. Local and suburb to suburb services would fill in the gaps for areas not near a QBC, or for Dublin bus travel not involving the city centre.

Also, while I'm dreaming, Dublin Bus would put a single map on their website showing all the routes of all frequent services across the capital, preferably with stops/stages also marked.

faceman

sdonn wrote: »

With the exception of Nitelink I agree completely. Amalgamate city centre to Northside routes with matching city to Southside routes - eg

41 and 46A - Dun Laoghaire to Swords

etc.

The result will probably be a slight net gain on drivers and buses, and with any luck you wont need to pay 4.40 for the whole trip but maybe 3-4. I still maintain the best way to control traffic in Dublin is toll heavily those that make journeys in BOTH rush hours during the day; this allows for people who need to bring their car in for use during the day where the office is a base or whatever.

Unfortunately this would be unfair until capacity on the DART and LUAS is increased significantly.

I completely agree. How is it the powers that be in Dublin Bus and DCC dont get this?

Probably because they dont need to get the bus to work.

They also need to stop sending so many buses up Dame St. Many of the routes travel up there needlessly.

If you ask me, the issue with traffic on Dame St/College Green is in some part the fault of Dublin Bus and DCC.

cast_iron

40 mins to get off N4 Chapelizod bypass inbound to roundabout at Kilmainham.

I (used to) do this in 90 seconds every day.

No apparent reason except for the quays being backed up - now that a huge amount of College Green traffice has to divert via the quays.

Stark

There was also a little matter of a U2 concert. I believe most of the concert traffic was directed down the N4 towards town.

Maldini2706

It's not a case of being directed, most people just take that route. Any time there's anything on in Croke Park the North Quays and St. Johns Rd get jammed. It even happens for some of the o2 gigs and that's "only" 9-14,000 there were 80,000 in Croker!

Stark

Well there were signs up at the Red Cow saying "Concert traffic take M50 north". Not if there were further signs asking people to get off the M50 at the N4. They could have done with more Gardaí on duty but they all seemed to be busy at the non-event at IKEA!

KC61

sdonn wrote: »

With the exception of Nitelink I agree completely. Amalgamate city centre to Northside routes with matching city to Southside routes - eg

41 and 46A - Dun Laoghaire to Swords

etc.

The result will probably be a slight net gain on drivers and buses, and with any luck you wont need to pay 4.40 for the whole trip but maybe 3-4. I still maintain the best way to control traffic in Dublin is toll heavily those that make journeys in BOTH rush hours during the day; this allows for people who need to bring their car in for use during the day where the office is a base or whatever.

Unfortunately this would be unfair until capacity on the DART and LUAS is increased significantly.

The real problem with that sort of idea is that it can lead to serious reliability issues with the service. Merging the 41 and 46A would create a route that would be far too long, could have serious problems with reliability and would of course have more driver changes en route, which is another factor that passengers frequently complain about.

If you used a Travel 90 Ten Journey smart card for that trip the fare is already only EUR 1.80 per trip - not EUR 4.40.

Cool Mo D wrote: »

The problem with that idea is that it will be very difficult to set accurate departure times from the city centre, because that would be the middle of the route. It's a great idea for all high frequency routes you don't need a timetable for though - every 15 minutes or more say. The less regular long distance services could then terminate at a few termini - Ringsend, Broadstone, Summerhill, maybe around Connolly, or Parnell Square.

I think that there should be two main types of Dublin Bus services - frequent QBC services that only run the length of one QBC, then through town, and out another one, every 10 minutes or more. No detours through housing estates, no route variations - simple high frequency services.

These could be supplemented by long distance rapid-type services (long distance = outside the M50, Swords, Blanch, Lucan, Clondalkin, North Wicklow, and past the end of a QBC) The long distance services would stop far out, then run onto a QBC, make one stop at the start before running mostly non-stop into a city terminus. Local and suburb to suburb services would fill in the gaps for areas not near a QBC, or for Dublin bus travel not involving the city centre.

Also, while I'm dreaming, Dublin Bus would put a single map on their website showing all the routes of all frequent services across the capital, preferably with stops/stages also marked.

The whole rationale for city centre termini is to try to provide a reliable service. Cross-city routes tend to be the ones that get hit the most by major traffic snarl-ups. Having city termini enables buses to turn around and keep a reliable and predictable service operating all day. Long distance cross-city routes do not tend to work and it becomes increasingly impossible to predict when a bus will show up the further you are along the route, e.g. trying to predict when a 16A will arrive southbound in Terenure at rush hour using the departure times from the Airport is like searching for a needle in a haystack.

There is already a precedent for the sort of services that you suggest - the 128, 140, 145, 151, all operate directly along the QBC and continue a short distance through the city centre, but again there are limits as to amount of locations that buses can terminate at. Remember that already, Dublin Bus has lost a significant number of city termini:

- Middle Abbey Street
- Lower Abbey Street (South Side)
- D'Olier Street
- College Street
- Burgh Quay
- Wellington Quay
- Fleet Street

If the LUAS link up takes place they will lose Marlborough Street as well. There are serious problems with this. The garages at Summerhill and Ringsend are limited in terms of space, and as such are probably at capacity as it is in terms of terminating routes (46A Group/63/145 at Summerhill and 50/56A/77/77A at Ringsend).

I suspect that when the Beckett Bridge opens there may be scope for some routes that currently terminate in the city centre area to be extended to the Docklands.

Posters ask why so many buses serve O'Connell Street. The answer is simple. That is where people want to go. That area is where more people get on/off buses. Buses operating via Gardiner Street were re-routed via O'Connell Street because people asked Dublin Bus to do it.

The network review following the Deloitte report should see a redesigned network take shape with a core product of direct routes along the QBCs continuing a short distance across the city, supplemented by other routes that service the areas along each QBC.

Dublin Bus is in the process of developing spider maps for the network, similar to those used in London, the first high profile version being the one used in the City Centre fare leaflet. I would imagine these will be rolled out as the network is redesigned over the next 18 months.

zagmund

KC61 - it is arguable whether most people want to go to O'Connell Street or whether they go there because the bus brings them there. If the bus brought them somewhere else nearby and they still wanted to go to O'Connell Street then they would walk the extra distance, just like people who want to go to (say) Smithfield currently get off at O'Connell Street and walk up.

I still think that a large part of the problem is to do with the number of mostly empty vehicles passing through O'Connell Street. If there was an interchange (not very easy with the existing ticketing system) then a load of buses could terminate a little further out and (full) shuttles could bring people into and through the city centre. Instead of something like 20 slightly full buses you could have 5 full shuttles. Instant congestion relief.

Sure, people would have to wait a little, but done correctly the wait wouldn't be that bad and it would reduce the time spent in traffic jams in the central area.

z

KC61

zagmund wrote: »

KC61 - it is arguable whether most people want to go to O'Connell Street or whether they go there because the bus brings them there. If the bus brought them somewhere else nearby and they still wanted to go to O'Connell Street then they would walk the extra distance, just like people who want to go to (say) Smithfield currently get off at O'Connell Street and walk up.

I still think that a large part of the problem is to do with the number of mostly empty vehicles passing through O'Connell Street. If there was an interchange (not very easy with the existing ticketing system) then a load of buses could terminate a little further out and (full) shuttles could bring people into and through the city centre. Instead of something like 20 slightly full buses you could have 5 full shuttles. Instant congestion relief.

Sure, people would have to wait a little, but done correctly the wait wouldn't be that bad and it would reduce the time spent in traffic jams in the central area.

z

The reality is that it is a combination of bus termini being removed and results of customer surveys that see so many routes serve O'Connell Street.

The 7, 14/A and 46A terminating at Parnell Square/Mountjoy Square are a knock-on result of College Street and D'Olier Street no longer being designated as termini by Dublin City Council and also as a result of feedback from customer surveys that showed that O'Connell Street was where passengers would like the bus to go to!

As for shuttles - it is tough enough to persuade people to use the bus as it is without having to force them to take two buses rather than one.

DWCommuter

I had a peak at this thread to see what could be done and all I read was what couldn't be done.:D

KC61

The network review (following the Deloitte report) that has now started is (in all probability) going to address most of the inefficiencies in the network and schedules. The entire network of routes and schedules are up for review over the next 18 months.

Hopefully what we end up with is a far more user friendly network design.

However, that depends on everyone (Dublin City Council, DoT, Gardai etc.) playing ball and political interference being kept to a minimum.

spacetweek

Very disappointed at the media coverage this bus gate has been getting.
"Traffic chaos in College Green"
"Dubliners prepare for traffic chaos"

How about this for a headline....

"College Green now far more pleasant place to be at rush hour"

Run_to_da_hills

spacetweek wrote: »

How about this for a headline....

"College Green now far more pleasant place to be at rush hour"

Provided you are not riding a motorcycle, moped or scooter. :rolleyes: