So, what you playing at the mo? Retro Edition

o1s1n

I played the first three before giving up on the series. 2 and 3 really didn't compare to 1. You're right about the isolation, adding people really ruined the whole atmosphere that made the game what it was.

Haven't played any since that though. Wouldn't mind having a bash at the first one again. Although I have a horrible feeling its probably dated quite badly. (Could be wrong though!)

valleyoftheunos

Uncharted has really become the spiritual successor to Tomb Raider, the same aesthetic and vibe. I always found the controls in TR awkward and a barrier to the game but I'm sure thats not the case for most here.

CiDeRmAn

I think Tomb Raider is one of those series that really suffers now, the wonderful things about the original, I played a rendition enhanced version on the PC, were the visuals, the feeling of playing a type of game never seen before (although it really was 3D Prince of Persia), and the sublime level design.
Certainly the latter point hasn't lessened over the years, The Cistern is still a briliant piece of 3 dimensional puzzling, but it's no longer a beautiful game, we have seen better games of it's type since, and the licence certainly suffered from dilution over the years with lacklustre sequels.
The controls are the biggest culprit though, why does a fat plumber glide through the air like a ballerina crossed with a ninja, whilst a lithe tomb raiding superwoman moves like a WWII tank?

o1s1n

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

The controls are the biggest culprit though, why does a fat plumber glide through the air like a ballerina crossed with a ninja, whilst a lithe tomb raiding superwoman moves like a WWII tank?

Hah! That made me LOL, thanks

So true though. Please tell me Tomb Raider games don't still use tank controls? I absolutely hate them. Always somewhat marred my experience of RE games.

Retr0gamer

If you want to play the original again I suggest you play anniversary which I thought was excellent. Apart from ruining the T-rex moment it was a great game and loads of fun and the commentary with Toby Gard is excellent. I kept saying to myself that the waterfall, T-rex etc. were much bigger in the original but in the commentary Toby Gard says when they were made to scale that they looked too small and the T-rex is actually twice the size of the one in the first game and far too big for any t-rex that ever lived and they made the waterfall 4 times bigger than in the original. It's a nicer way of losing the rose tinted specs than the slap in the face that going back to the original might be.

o1s1n

Seriously? That's amazing, it really goes to show what nostaliga can do to your memory. In my mind that T rex is an absolute monster of a thing. I seriously didn't know anything about it in the game and it absolutely scared the bejasus out of me.

Retr0gamer

I remember playing it on my P100 PC with a Power VR card. Thought it was the most amazing thing ever. I had to play everything in 320x240 or 640x480 but when I got my Power VR graphics accelerator I thought that video game graphics couldn't get any better. Tomb Raider was running at 1600x1200 60fps with gorgeous transparencies and texture filtering so it didn't look blocky anymore and gorgeous water and fog effects. It was the best thing ever until I found out that the version of the game that was packaged in ended exactly halfway through the game. Had to go out and buy the full game and start from the start since my save wasn't compatible. Still loved ever moment (except the crappy Atlantis bits other than the doppleganger). I still hold the cistern level as one of the best pieces of level design and walking out of that tunnel to see that massive level flooded with water as one of my all time favourite gaming moments.

With anniversary the whole game is bigger and better but the wow! factor isn't there. There was literally nothing like it at the time. It's a shame they got it so wrong in the sequels where you rarely raided tombs (I hear that the fourth game was a return to form and then ruined by chronicles) and had crappy human enemies with the worst AI ever.

o1s1n

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I remember playing it on my P100 PC with a Power VR card. Thought it was the most amazing thing ever. I had to play everything in 320x240 or 640x480 but when I got my Power VR graphics accelerator I thought that video game graphics couldn't get any better. Tomb Raider was running at 1600x1200 60fps with gorgeous transparencies and texture filtering so it didn't look blocky anymore and gorgeous water and fog effects.

Had a similar experience in a friends house. He also had a P100 (Much to my extreme jealously) and got Tomb Raider along with either a Voodoo 2 or a Voodoo 3 card. I remember in those days graphics cards always came with an arse load of games.

Retr0gamer

If it was a P100 then it was probably a voodoo 1 since Voodoo 2 wouldn't work on a P100!

CiDeRmAn

I had a Rendition card first, which I loved with a special version of Quake and Mechwarrior 2, then I had a 3DFX card, on which I ran glQuake and Mechwarrior 3.
Amazingly the best looking game I played didn't need a graphics accelerator at all, a game called I-War, absolutely gorgeous, they rendered the models in a high resolution with the appropriate textures before "downgrading" them to a poly model the crappy pcs could handle, and the game looked fantastic, all done in software too!

Retr0gamer

Mechwarrior 2 came with every graphics accelerator at the time I absolutely loved it!

o1s1n

Retr0gamer wrote: »

If it was a P100 then it was probably a voodoo 1 since Voodoo 2 wouldn't work on a P100!

I think it may have actually been a p133. Fairly sure it wasn't a Voodoo 1 as he wanted to sell that to me when he upgraded to a TNT 2. Hmmm. Wonder if he still has it. Probably does actually.

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Mechwarrior 2 came with every graphics accelerator at the time I absolutely loved it!

Fantastic game. Played through it on the PS1 myself. Cant imagine the graphics were anything close to the PC version, but it was still enjoyable.

I took a gamble and traded it in for a shooter called Jupiter Strike once I'd completed it. What a god awful game that was. So I swapped that with my cousin for Lone Soldier. An even WORSE game.

Retr0gamer

The PS1 version of Mechwarrior 2 was a completely different beast to the PC version. They dumbed it down and changed it totally to be a more action orientated game. It was damn good but the PC version was way better and was more a simulation and a damn good one at that.

CiDeRmAn

Just "got" Mechwarrior 2 for the Saturn, must try it out and report

o1s1n

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Just "got" Mechwarrior 2 for the Saturn, must try it out and report

Your Saturn cries at the prospect of having to work with polygons

CiDeRmAn

Tears of joy when I first played Burning Rangers and Panzer Dragoon, they are great looking games, regardless of the host system.
Also the original Daytona on the Saturn is a triumph of gameplay over graphics, even though the visuals pretty much do a low res version of the arcade game, now with added pop-up, the game is much better than the follow up, Daytona:Championship Circuit Editon, where they tried to make better graphics but added rubbish controls instead.

Retr0gamer

I've played a bit of Sin and Punishment lately and I have to say it doesn't look like a typical N64 game, that is to say severely dated in this day and age. It looks gorgeous and some of the set pieces are still fantastic. Takes a bit of getting used to on the GC controller though. I have to say that the part where you are taking on a fleet of navy ships and aircraft carriers is by far the most impressive thing I've ever seen the N64 doing and all with out the ram cart.

o1s1n

Any idea if they tuned it up for the Wii? or are you using the homebrew channel? It's a game I've always wanted to get my n64 modded for.

Spent a bit of time the last couple of days playing Alisa Dragoon. Such an under rated game. Have since downloaded the soundtrack. It's brilliant.

Retr0gamer

Well like all N64 games they got rid of the N64 blur, added proper anti aliasing and it runs in 480p so it looks a lot better.

o1s1n

I know with Starfox they supposedly included some higher resolution textures and (I think) some extra water effects? The higher resolutions might just be an effect of the 480p though.

One thing I always wanted with that game was the ability to unlock levels. I love the tank level but it takes too bloody long to play through to get to it!

Retr0gamer

They never added anything to Starfox 64 except the higher resolution and anti aliasing again. The only game they changed was waverace 64 to take out the kawasaki logos.

97i9y3941

robocop vs terminator..

Retr0gamer

I absolutely detest that game. Take away the license and you are left with a ****ty contra clone. Awful stuff and even the mildy hilarious ott gore effects stop towards the end. You are better off playing a good game like majyuouu or contra hard corp.

o1s1n

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I absolutely detest that game. Take away the license and you are left with a ****ty contra clone. Awful stuff and even the mildy hilarious ott gore effects stop towards the end. You are better off playing a good game like majyuouu or contra hard corp.

But majyuouu and contra hard corp don't feature Robocop..or Terminators

It's a great game. I've always really enjoyed it. And I have impeccable taste and a higher degree in fine art/aesthetics from the only art university in the country, so you must just be wrong

Fred83 - make sure if you're playing it you put in the uncensored code. They removed all the female characters and some extra animations. In the uncensored version, when robocop dies he falls apart. And he can also be set on fire.

Unfortunately I only found out about this in the last couple of years

At the title screen press -

C, B, A, B, B, C, B, B, C, B, B, C, C, B, C, B, C, A, C, C, A, A, A, B, B, B, A, C, A

97i9y3941

o1s1n wrote: »

It's a great game. I've always really enjoyed it. And I have impeccable taste and a higher degree in fine art/aesthetics from the only art university in the country, so you must just be wrong

true,i loved way they took ED209+cain from robocop 2 and made them as bosses

Augmerson

Robocop 2 is the greatest game ever. Anyone who denies this is a flatulant vagrant.

o1s1n

Augmerson wrote: »

Robocop 2 is the greatest game ever. Anyone who denies this is a flatulant vagrant.

I loved that when I was younger.

Got a cart of it again a few months ago. I'm was rubbish at it!

Augmerson

2nd level of Robocop 2 is probably as far as I got. I run out of lives and after awhile I just give up. The game was alright, I like it and throw it on every now and again. I like how Robocop glides along the ground like he is iceskating, but when you clear a level and do not pick up enough nuke you have to repeat it, but first you must do the shooting range. Argghhhh.

Been playing further on in Tomb Raider: Legend. I was feeling very 'meh' about the game but it has gotten my attention again after some brief encounters with mediocrity. Still not as memorable as Anniversary but it's alright

o1s1n

Wooh! just 1 cced Mercs. Didn't even come anywhere close to dieing once in the whole game. To tell you the truth, it's not really that difficult to do if you put your mind to it.
Now, back to Megadrive Probotector!

Retr0gamer

I've done it many times. It's good training for the arcade game which is harder but doable as well and the MD version is very close. Once you get the rockets you are sorted