Tito"came to amends" with Dana, possible Franklin showdown at UFC 103

JokerD

http://mmamania.com/2009/07/17/ufc-quick-quote-tito-ortiz-came-to-amends-with-dana-white-possible-return-in-fall-2009/

Well guys what you think of this? Good news I say

callaway92

yes it is good news.

Rich by KO

JokerD

callaway92 wrote: »

yes it is good news.

Rich by KO

Franklin has an underated ground game so it would be difficult for Tito to keep him down, therefore it could well be a stand up war and Rich is well used to that

rovert

Since when what Tito says credible?

If true it is just a sign how desperate they are for UFC 103.

JokerD

rovert wrote: »

Since when what Tito says credible?

If true it is just a sign how desperate they are for UFC 103.

Well giving him the benefit of the doubt, I think if true it is a good move. He might not have been on top of his game in recent times but is still a big draw for the UFC. Chuck, Randy and Tito are UFC Legends and will always have massive interest in them despite their form and Tito is a master in hyping a fight, which generates PPV sales

rovert

Looks like this maybe true after all as someone who works close to UFC gave a cheeky maybe to the question of is this true on another forum.

JokerD wrote: »

Well giving him the benefit of the doubt, I think if true it is a good move. He might not have been on top of his game in recent times but is still a big draw for the UFC. Chuck, Randy and Tito are UFC Legends and will always have massive interest in them despite their form and Tito is a master in hyping a fight, which generates PPV sales

Tito is still business and UFC needs "new" faces right now. Dont know how that long lay off and that major back surgery. It is also another name taken away from the EA MMA game.

JokerD

rovert wrote: »

Looks like this maybe true after all as someone who works close to UFC gave a cheeky maybe to the question of is this true on another forum.



Tito is still business and UFC needs "new" faces right now. Dont know how that long lay off and that major back surgery. It is also another name taken away from the EA MMA game.

Yea but nothing quite like testing the new faces against an established star, those fights pull in the viewers. Maybe a Jones v Tito fight would be a good match-up

Red Sleeping Beauty

I'd like to see a Forrest Griffin rematch.

Odats

Makes perfect business sense for both parties. From Ortiz's POV, albeit not as mega purse he would get by signing with Affliction, they aren't exactly long term material atleast $200K basic & share of PPV revenue & win bonus with UFC.Plus proving a point to media,Dana White etc that he's not past it. Also, he just had twins and Jenna isn't exactly taking c*ck up her a55 any more to earn a dime.:D:D:D

From UFC's POV Ortiz is a huge PPV draw still and would be a key cog in someone like Strikeforce getting greater exposure so getting him back is basically to tie him up from the competition. Also, what I see happening is the UFC putting on Vet vs Vet or Vet vs Up n Comer fights. As someone mentioned Jon Jones in the latter dept.

A fight I'd love to see would be Ortiz vs Wanderlai again despite Wandy going down to 185. Maybe down the line Ortiz vs loser of Rashad vs Rampage. So many possibilities and PPV draws with Ortiz back in the equation are solid.

Fozzy

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=57892904&postcount=257

I was talking about this year obviously :pac:

I've never doubted that he'd be back in the UFC at some stage. He needs the UFC and there is a lot more upside than downside in signing him, especially when he realises that they're the best deal for him

Dragan

Fighting must be calmer than fatherhood.

It will be good to see him back, he's a mouthy guy but he comes to fight.

A rematch with Griffin would be nice to see, but i'd love to see him in with Wandy.

Red Sleeping Beauty

Dragan wrote: »

A rematch with Griffin would be nice to see, but i'd love to see him in with Wandy.

I've only seen the Griffin/Ortiz fight the once but I was livid with that decision. I think that was on Bravo back when was it ?

Pride Fighter

With his back healed his quick shoot should be back. Tito is a highly competent ground fighter, finishing third in Adu Dhabi. He learned Jiu Jitsu from Fabiano Iha, and he says he has black belt level jiu jitsu but does not really use it in MMA. I would not count Tito out of the LHW frame, he has a draw with Rashad, a win over Forrest and came the closest of anyone to beating Machida. All of those he acheived while having a bad back.

Dragan

Pride Fighter wrote: »

With his back healed his quick shoot should be back. Tito is a highly competent ground fighter, finishing third in Adu Dhabi. He learned Jiu Jitsu from Fabiano Iha, and he says he has black belt level jiu jitsu but does not really use it in MMA. I would not count Tito out of the LHW frame, he has a draw with Rashad, a win over Forrest and came the closest of anyone to beating Machida. All of those he acheived while having a bad back.

Hopefully, he's a great fighter although i am not too sure about his "black belt" JJ, or at the very least i don't think he could offer a reason most people would accept for not applying it in MMA?

Nothingcompares

I'm sure his ground game is as good as Randy's and Randy is certainly black belt standard.

Tones69

Dragan wrote: »

Fighting must be calmer than fatherhood.

It will be good to see him back, he's a mouthy guy but he comes to fight.

A rematch with Griffin would be nice to see, but i'd love to see him in with Wandy.

Hes way too big for wandy, id love to see a rematch with griffin too

Red Sleeping Beauty

They should put Tito through the Ultimate Fighter so he can explain to everyone where he got his black belt

Has Tito got a twitterythingy ? It's alright having an oggle at Dana's now and then.

rovert

Looks like we wont be seeing Rich-Tito

Henderson-Franklin II to Headline UFC 103
By Thomas Gerbasi

Their first bout split the mixed martial arts community, making it obvious that they needed more than 15 minutes to settle their score. On Saturday, September 19th, UFC superstars Dan Henderson and Rich Franklin will meet again in the main event of UFC 103 at the American Airlines Center in Dallas, Texas, with Henderson looking to make it 2-0 over the former middleweight champ, and Franklin trying to even things up with the former two division PRIDE champion.

And if that’s not enough, the biggest MMA event to ever hit Texas will feature perhaps the most explosive heavyweight battle of the year when one of the sport’s most feared strikers, Mirko Cro Cop, takes on Brazilian knockout artist Junior Dos Santos. Tickets for UFC 103 are on sale now.

Did anyone here see the first fight? :pac:

JokerD

rovert wrote: »

Looks like we wont be seeing Rich-Tito



Did anyone here see the first fight? :pac:

Just beat me to it:D I was at the first fight and can't understand the reasoning behind this fight, Hendo should be fighting A.Silva next imo, who now for Middleweight? Wandy V Silva would be good but Wandy isn't deserving yet for a title shot. Maia/Marquart after their fight? Strange decision, I'd say Hendo is quite upset by this, he has earned a title shot and has already beaten Franklin. If he beats Franklin the UFC must have something big lined up for him

Professey Chin

Alan Rouge wrote: »

They should put Tito through the Ultimate Fighter so he can explain to everyone where he got his black belt

Has Tito got a twitterythingy ? It's alright having an oggle at Dana's now and then.

Tito does but its rarely updated.

rovert

JokerD wrote: »

If he beats Franklin the UFC must have something big lined up for him

Lyoto?

JokerD

rovert wrote: »

Lyoto?

Possibly, I'd like to see it as Lyoto will find it uber hard to knock out Hendo and Hendo will be hard to takedown and keep down. Otherwise it'll probably be the loser of Rashad/Rampage if he stays at LHW. His only fight at Middleweight should be against A.Silva, unless the UFC are hoping Wandy can get a big Middleweight win(Bisping 105?) so he fights Hendo for No.1 contender. That'd be a fight everyone would like to see again.
P.S Don't discount Shogun;)

rovert

Rumour has it Lyoto might fight Tito. Which would be crazy fun.

But yeah a rematch of Silva & Hendo would be serious business.

JokerD

rovert wrote: »

Rumour has it Lyoto might fight Tito. Which would be crazy fun.

But yeah a rematch of Silva & Hendo would be serious business.

What a u-turn that would be if Tito fought Lyoto, it beggars belief if it happens, especially after Whites comments on the last fight saying Tito didn't cause Lyoto any trouble(even though he did), what would make him think the fans would want a rematch then? Oh the hypocrisy would be laughable. I like Dana though and don't think he'd allow Joe Silva to even suggest that.

Fromvert

A bit of an odd one alright. If Franklin loses where does it leave him. Is it at 205lb/195lb, doubt it's 185lb as Franklin is not going to move down.

This is going to be a good card. Looking forward to Kampmann vs Swick the most. Think Mirko is going to get KO'ed. Franca vs Tyson should be a good fight aswell.

rovert

JokerD wrote: »

What a u-turn that would be if Tito fought Lyoto, it beggars belief if it happens, especially after Whites comments on the last fight saying Tito didn't cause Lyoto any trouble(even though he did), what would make him think the fans would want a rematch then? Oh the hypocrisy would be laughable. I like Dana though and don't think he'd allow Joe Silva to even suggest that.

Well it would up to Tito to mount the counter defensive and I think he would be able to mount one, just a hunch.

JokerD

rovert wrote: »

Well it would up to Tito to mount the counter defensive and I think he would be able to mount one, just a hunch.

If Tito's back is 100% then I can see him causing trouble in the LHW Division, so many good fight possibilities around at the moment, great time to be a fan:D

JokerD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXoqfIU0C6Y
BJ PENN JUMPS OUT OF POOL
Don't know if you all have seen this yet, over 2 million views and it made front page news on yahoo.com.
Sorry bit off-topic but no need for a whole thread about it.

Fromvert

JokerD wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXoqfIU0C6Y
BJ PENN JUMPS OUT OF POOL
Don't know if you all have seen this yet, over 2 million views and it made front page news on yahoo.com.
Sorry bit off-topic but no need for a whole thread about it.

Yeah seen that and was the same with no need for a whole thread but wasnt sure where to post it.
Its pretty damn impressive.

JokerD

Fromvert wrote: »

Yeah seen that and was the same with no need for a whole thread but wasnt sure where to post it.
Its pretty damn impressive.

It is, this means he'll obviously destroy Florian now:p

Fromvert

JokerD wrote: »

It is, this means he'll obviously destroy Florian now:p

Florian is one of my favourite fighters but I really think BJ will run through him and get the stoppage.

JokerD

Fromvert wrote: »

Florian is one of my favourite fighters but I really think BJ will run through him and get the stoppage.

BJ Penn at Lightweight is the real BJ Penn and someone will need to do something really special to de-throne him. Florian's improvement has been immense and I like the guy, I see Florian throwing a lot of leg kicks in this one. Sanchez will await the winner I'd say and his intensity makes for great fights

Its gonna be a great fight anyway, Penn by submission late in the fight.

ollieo

I don't see the UFCs thinking behind Hendo-Franklin 2 it doesn't make sense.
Franklin is at LH, Hendo is no.1 contender (I think) at MW.
Why not have Hando fight Silva later on in the year and have Franklin fight someone at LH so he can work his way up the rankings?

Has Cro Cop signed with the UFC so?

JokerD

ollieo wrote: »

I don't see the UFCs thinking behind Hendo-Franklin 2 it doesn't make sense.
Franklin is at LH, Hendo is no.1 contender (I think) at MW.
Why not have Hando fight Silva later on in the year and have Franklin fight someone at LH so he can work his way up the rankings?

Has Cro Cop signed with the UFC so?

He's fighting Junior Dos Santos at UFC 103

Pride Fighter

Apparently on Dana White's twitter thing he has welcomed back Tito. I guess it is nearly official now.

Fromvert

Yep it's looking like he's back and I'm ****in delighted.:D

JokerD

Has anyone else seen that the UFC has pulled the Franklin-Hendo fight off their website? Franklin has even commented on it in his Twitter. If true I think Tito Main Event UFC 103 could be back on

mirwillbeback

JokerD wrote: »

Has anyone else seen that the UFC has pulled the Franklin-Hendo fight off their website? Franklin has even commented on it in his Twitter. If true I think Tito Main Event UFC 103 could be back on

http://uk.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventDetail.fightCard&eid=2278&1=1

that's a great spot mate, not listed in the fight card now :eek:

Fozzy

Tito already refused to fight in September because he's not ready

Dana did speak about a backlash that they've got after announcing Franklin vs Henderson and he hinted at some sort of change

I read this elsewhere and I'd agree with it, that if they're changing it because of backlash then it's the wrong thing to do but if they're changing it because of a better alternative (Affliction fighters being available) then it's fine

If they were to double guess every fight they book because of backlash they'd be rebooking a lot. And Brock wouldn't be champ :pac:

pablohoney87

Could be hendo belfort to decide number 1 contender. After all the talk bout belfort comin over I think it would make sense. Probably just me though.

Raze_them_all

Fozzy wrote: »

Tito already refused to fight in September because he's not ready

Dana did speak about a backlash that they've got after announcing Franklin vs Henderson and he hinted at some sort of change

I read this elsewhere and I'd agree with it, that if they're changing it because of backlash then it's the wrong thing to do but if they're changing it because of a better alternative (Affliction fighters being available) then it's fine

If they were to double guess every fight they book because of backlash they'd be rebooking a lot. And Brock wouldn't be champ :pac:

Say what we want about brock, everyone here knows he sells ppv's, Hendo and franklin I imagine would not be that successful a buy rate

Sammy83

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_107

Light Heavyweight bout: Quinton Jackson vs. Rashad Evans
Heavyweight bout: Frank Mir vs. Cheick Kongo
Light Heavyweight bout: Tito Ortiz vs. Mark Coleman

Wow...

Interesting to say the least if it is indeed true about Tito's return

pablohoney87

Not sure how trust worthy that is. It has emile hesky vs brad friedle on the under card. Both footballers in the premiership.

Kazooie

pablohoney87 wrote: »

Not sure how trust worthy that is. It has emile hesky vs brad friedle on the under card. Both footballers in the premiership.

LOL. Gotta love wikipedia..

Evil_Clown

pablohoney87 wrote: »

Not sure how trust worthy that is. It has emile hesky vs brad friedle on the under card. Both footballers in the premiership.

Heskey to win, KO by mule kick

JoeyJJ

Coleman would want to have his cardio in shape by then.

Turd Ferguson

A lot of people are talking about a Tito v Franklin match, which would be good. But I would love to see Tito and Hendo fight, I think that would be a big draw

Killme00

JoeyJJ wrote: »

Coleman would want to have his cardio in shape by then.

?

Red Sleeping Beauty

Jeez, I just checked Ortiz's record cause I couldn't remember the last time he fought.

He's only had 2 fights since 2006, a draw and a loss. Has he still got it like or will he just do a comeback fight , get some money and be crap and then no one bothers with him ? I hate big money fights that are crap tbh.

Also, I didn't know UFC fights could end in a draw. Well , at least not the UFC of today.

dkdavey67

pablohoney87 wrote: »

Not sure how trust worthy that is. It has emile hesky vs brad friedle on the under card. Both footballers in the premiership.

Hesky wouldn't kick snow off a rope let alone kick a moveing man in an octogon. Even if Brad Friedal is the Coleman of the soccer world!