is it fair to have family of Simon Mcginley housed by the HSE or social welfare

5oaksdrogheda

Just wondered what thoughts or opinions people may have on this one. maybe i am way off the mark?
Further to the recent headline news highlighting the sentence of Rapist Simon Mcginley it has come to light that his Wife and family are currently living in what was once considered to be one of the best private residential estates in south drogheda obviously being paid for and funded by the HSE / social welfare and taxpayers where the so called mother of this rapist comes and goes seemingly without a care in the world & the apparent belief that her rapist son has done no harm, and so does the wife they have come such a long way in the last 12 years when he comitted his first rape when they were apparently living on the side of the road in a caravan now here they are living in with people who have paid huge amounts of money to buy houses to live in peace, safey and comfort.
My questions are:
1) should we all have to pay to house the families of people who openly defend an animal such as Simon Mcginley as well as condone his vile crimes and ridicule his victims. My understanding of antisocial behaviour in corporation and council estates is that it is unacceptable and no longer tolerated by the corporation and council and the families of offenders of antisocial behaviour arent housed or are evicted? am i incorrect? is this whole thing not taking Antisocial behaviour to a whole other level?
2) should the mother of Simon Mcginleys children be allowed to bring up children when she apparently believes it is ok for her husband to rape anyone who takes his fancy and their grandmother is apparently of the same belief, what message is this giving these young impressionable boys and girls?

IvyTheTerrible

5oaksdrogheda wrote: »

Just wondered what thoughts or opinions people may have on this one. maybe i am way off the mark?
Further to the recent headline news highlighting the sentence of Rapist Simon Mcginley it has come to light that his Wife and family are currently living in what was once considered to be one of the best private residential estates in south drogheda obviously being paid for and funded by the HSE / social welfare ...

Do you work in Social Welfare?

TheZohanS

5oaksdrogheda wrote: »

Further to the recent headline news highlighting the sentence of Rapist Simon Mcginley it has come to light that his Wife and family are currently living in what was once considered to be one of the best private residential estates in south drogheda

It can't be that good of an estate if he's living there.

My name is URL

According to the Irish constitution its fair, and we chose to live by that constitution so unless you're planning a revolt theres not alot to say about it

Mardy Bum

My name is URL wrote: »

According to the Irish constitution its fair, and we chose to live by that constitution so unless you're planning a revolt theres not alot to say about it

Pitchforks and flames at the ready...

5oaksdrogheda

no, but c'mon id say its a fair guess thats whos paying the rent for them, unlikely that theyre coughing up themselves, sure they dont work, but i could be wrong.

TheZohanS

5oaksdrogheda wrote: »

no, but c'mon id say its a fair guess thats whos paying the rent for them, unlikely that theyre coughing up themselves, sure they dont work, but i could be wrong.

C'mon, it's fair to say that the estate you're talking about is 5 Oaks Drogheda.

Seems like a case of "not on my doorstep".

thelordofcheese

5oaksdrogheda wrote: »

no, but c'mon id say its a fair guess thats whos paying the rent for them, unlikely that theyre coughing up themselves, sure they dont work, but i could be wrong.

The plural of anecdotes is not data.

Sorry kid, but you'll have to do better than half-assed conjecture.. well actually, no you won't, this is AH.

But i'm not buyin' it.

Greenmachine

Didn't he have a daughter close in age to his first victim. Wonder if his daughter will be the next one to bring a case against him.

January

Do you expect them to live on the street? The kids need somewhere to live, their dad may be a monster but that's not their fault.

5oaksdrogheda

TheZohan wrote: »

C'mon, it's fair to say that the estate you're talking about is 5 Oaks Drogheda.

Seems like a case of "not on my doorstep".

C'mon would you want it on yours? thankfully they arent on mine, but arent far enough away that i would be happy to see girls out to play when that rapist is relaeased
this is a big estate with alot of doors steps but its hard to miss people coming and going when theyre splashed all over the news papers and evening news.

TwoShedsJackson

TheZohan wrote: »

C'mon, it's fair to say that the estate you're talking about is 5 Oaks Drogheda.

Seems like a case of "not on my doorstep".

'Not on my doorstep' is a particular fav of 5OaksDrogheda if you have a look at her post history...

ejmaztec

5oaksdrogheda wrote: »

C'mon would you want it on yours? thankfully they arent on mine, but arent far enough away that i would be happy to see girls out to play when that rapist is relaeased
this is a big estate with alot of doors steps but its hard to miss people coming and going when theyre splashed all over the news papers and evening news.

You should invite them round to your place for tea and biccies, and discuss local affairs whilst playing croquet on the lawn.

genericguy

adrieanne__x wrote: »

Do you expect them to live on the street? The kids need somewhere to live, their dad may be a monster but that's not their fault.

+1. The children of this scumbag didn't rape his victims, you can't visit the sins of the father upon his children.

Irish Halo

Do we convict/punish people based on the sins of the father now? I missed that addition to the Irish constitution ...

John Mason

so have you managed to run that settled family out yet, 5oaks?

or are you adding this family to your list of people who arent good enough for you and your estate.

and to be frank 5 oaks never had that great of a name in the first place, it is just another boring estate in drogheda

Irish Halo

pink fluffy bunny wrote: »

and to be frank 5 oaks never had that great of a name in the first place, it is just another boring estate in drogheda

Also Drogheda? Seriously people want to live in Drogheda? I can understand not wanting to live in a city but it's either live in a real proper urban centre or so rural that even mobile signal would be a problem.

5oaksdrogheda

http://archives.tcm.ie/westernpeople/2004/12/15/story22826.asp
considering the news i sort of think i may have been right to be worried when this family came along in the first place http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0717/breaking35.htm
obviously the family cannot be held responsible for the sins of the father, however i am dumbfounded that the family apparently condone it and think it is fine to have comitted such a crime and ruined other peoples lives. somebody brought this rapist up to believe that this is acceptable behaviour and as his mother and his wife have stated in the news "he is a good man" What kind of an example is that to set for anyone let alone children.

I happily would say that i would prefer not to have any people who consider rape & violence apparently fueled by drugs or alcohol or anything living anywhere that children & families are playing or living and i feel its unfortunate thats not in our constitution.

IvyTheTerrible

5oaksdrogheda wrote: »

http://archives.tcm.ie/westernpeople/2004/12/15/story22826.asp
considering the news i sort of think i may have been right to be worried when this family came along in the first place http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0717/breaking35.htm
obviously the family cannot be held responsible for the sins of the father, however i am dumbfounded that the family apparently condone it and think it is fine to have comitted such a crime and ruined other peoples lives. somebody brought this rapist up to believe that this is acceptable behaviour and as his mother and his wife have stated in the news "he is a good man" What kind of an example is that to set for anyone let alone children.

I happily would say that i would prefer not to have any people who consider rape & violence apparently fueled by drugs or alcohol or anything living anywhere that children & families are playing or living and i feel its unfortunate thats not in our constitution.

And where exactly don't children and families play and live?

Oh The Humanity

Hate to tell ya but there are pedos/rapists living in every 5th house. Thats what a detective once told my Mam.

All this outrage over the ones ye know about, its nonsense. The place is crawling with the feckers.

Its not the ones you know about you need to worry about its the 'respectable' be-suited pillar of the residents committee that everyone automatically trusts you wanna watch out for.

People dont like to believe it, but rapists and pedo's dont look like monsters. They look like your next door neighbour.

IvyTheTerrible

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

And where exactly don't children and families play and live?

M50 roundabout? Oh, snap.

5oaksdrogheda

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

And where exactly don't children and families play and live?

sorry i missed the key word in that
people who consider rape & violence apparently fueled by drugs or alcohol or anything ACCEPTABLE living anywhere that children & families are playing or living,


It just shouldnt be acceptable or condoned, but im starting to think based on feedback here im backwards in may thinking.

IvyTheTerrible

5oaksdrogheda wrote: »

sorry i missed the key word in that
people who consider rape & violence apparently fueled by drugs or alcohol or anything ACCEPTABLE living anywhere that children & families are playing or living,


It just shouldnt be acceptable or condoned, but im starting to think based on feedback here im backwards in may thinking.

You're missing my point. Where are these families supposed to live? There are no places where there aren't other families. And in any case, his family have not been convicted of a crime and so can live where they want.

ejmaztec

Where does it actually say that the rapist's family condones rape? All I can make out is a bunch of deluded individuals who think that he's innocent, despite all of the evidence and convictions stacked up against him.

This delusion is par for the course with some families.

5oaksdrogheda

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

You're missing my point. Where are these families supposed to live? There are no places where there aren't other families. And in any case, his family have not been convicted of a crime and so can live where they want.

I just dont think that there should be any families that condone that behaviour housed by the state who clearly say the behaviour is wrong ( he's been put away ) and the wife and mother say his behaviour is all ok, its crazy to think anyone can condone it

But you have made a fair point so Ill leave it at that.

Chinafoot

5oaksdrogheda wrote: »

obviously the family cannot be held responsible for the sins of the father, however i am dumbfounded that the family apparently condone it and think it is fine to have comitted such a crime and ruined other peoples lives. somebody brought this rapist up to believe that this is acceptable behaviour and as his mother and his wife have stated in the news "he is a good man" What kind of an example is that to set for anyone let alone children.

Hang on a second now. Where did they condone it? He's their family, they probably think it's their duty to put up a united front. The mother is obviously mentally unwell and the wife is most likely distraught. Perhaps they don't know what to do? Maybe he's convinced them it's not true. You can't really take the simplistic view of "she called him a good man so she obviously thinks what he did is fine."

His family didn't rape anyone and I find it disgusting that you want them essentially punished for what he did.

enry

I dont know where his children should live but after seeing his mother on T.V the other night. I would suggest that the best place for her to live would be somewhere in the middle of the Irish sea.

Just wondering is Mcginley a member of the travelling community.

Chinafoot

enry wrote: »

Just wondering is Mcginley a member of the travelling community.

Thats relevant how exactly?

IvyTheTerrible

5oaksdrogheda wrote: »

I just dont think that there should be any families that condone that behaviour housed by the state who clearly say the behaviour is wrong ( he's been put away ) and the wife and mother say his behaviour is all ok, its crazy to think anyone can condone it

But you have made a fair point so Ill leave it at that.

Ok but you're making the assumption that the state is housing them. All conjecture.

And even if they are, so all families of criminals have no entitlement to housing? How is that going to solve anything?

BennyLava

It's not really relevant at all

but what is relevant is that you have 2 women looking after small children who think a multiple rapist is "a good man"

seriously Social Services should take the kids into care, surely ist abuse to raise kids to think rape is ok

cosmic

I'm glad I don't live in 5 Oaks Drogheda. I'd hate to see one of my neighbours slagging me off every time I logged on to Boards.

enry

Chinafoot wrote: »

Hang on a second now. Where did they condone it? He's their family, they probably think it's their duty to put up a united front. The mother is obviously mentally unwell and the wife is most likely distraught. Perhaps they don't know what to do? Maybe he's convinced them it's not true. You can't really take the simplistic view of "she called him a good man so she obviously thinks what he did is fine."

His family didn't rape anyone and I find it disgusting that you want them essentially punished for what he did.

You feel sorry for a women who married a man who had previously been convicted of raping someone.

And the reason I asked about whether or not he is a member of the traveling community is simple down to the fact that the deep and sometimes misunderstood culture of such people is very family orientated and therefore it may explain the reason why his mother was adamant that her son was innocent.

Personally I think that the traveling community adds much to our society

anyway way did you ask?

Chinafoot

BennyLava wrote: »

It's not really relevant at all

but what is relevant is that you have 2 women looking after small children who think a multiple rapist is "a good man"

seriously Social Services should take the kids into care, surely ist abuse to raise kids to think rape is ok

I really really doubt that they think rape is ok. Seriously. Since we're all just making assumptions I'll make one that seems far more plausible than yours...I personally reckon these two women are saying he's innocent. Maybe he's convinced them he is or maybe they're trying to convince themselves. It's not all that rare for families of convicted rapists/murderers to proclaim their innocence despite what the jury says.

Chinafoot

enry wrote: »

You feel sorry for a women who married a man who had previously been convicted of raping someone.

I'm sorry but where did I say I feel sorry for her? I don't see those words written anywhere. I am saying however that it's unfair to say she condones what he did or thinks rape is ok.

As for marrying someone previously convicted of rape. He could have convinced her he was innocent. Why is that so hard to believe?

jayteecork

Is the estate Bryanstown by any chance?

When I was a kid my family lived in the estate there.

BennyLava

If she still stands by a man with multiple convictions for rape, and is convinced he is innocent, you really need to question her mental abilities.

Serious questions need to be asked about her abilities to raise kids, what sort of example, values is she setting for them

He's a violent criminal, it's morally wrong to leave children in a situation where they are exposed to people like him

Chinafoot

BennyLava wrote: »

If she still stands by a man with multiple convictions for rape, and is convinced he is innocent, you really need to question her mental abilities.

Serious questions need to be asked about her abilities to raise kids, what sort of example, values is she setting for them

He's a violent criminal, it's morally wrong to leave children in a situation where they are exposed to people like him

Oh I agree. Thankfully he's gone away for quite a while now so those kids won't be exposed to him for now. The point of this thread is whether or not the rapist's family should be allowed live where they are at the moment. The OP is assuming it's paid for by the state, nobody knows that, and the OP is also claiming that because the family have said "he's a good man" they must then condone it and think that rape is ok. I'm simply saying I believe it's a lot more complicated than that.

As for leaving kids in situations like this...take a walk down by Tara Street train station at any time of the day or not and take a look at the amount of people off their heads on drink and drugs who have babies in buggies with them. There are a lot of kids in situations like this and I agree that social welfare need to do a lot more for them.

BennyLava

criminality will breed criminality,

should the families of criminals be supported/ housed by the state, in one word no

social entitlements should come with social responsibilities

enry

BennyLava wrote: »

criminality will breed criminality,

should the families of criminals be supported/ housed by the state, in one word no

social entitlements should come with social responsibilities

could not agree more.

also in my opinion the children should be taken from the mother no questions asked

My name is URL

enry wrote: »

could not agree more.

also in my opinion the children should be taken from the mother no questions asked

I'm sure social services will be looking into the situation.

I don't agree that families with criminals in them should have the kids removed as a rule though, thats a bit draconian

and stopping their state benefits is hardly going to stop the committing crime

TwoShedsJackson

Personally I think that the traveling community adds much to our society

What exactly do you think the travelling community adds to our society which is beneficial?

BennyLava

If families of criminals can be shown to actively support the state in the arrest and punishment of the criminals, then there is no reason to remove their benefits
On the other hand, if they don't then why should the state support them.

If you introduce collective responsibility to a family or even an area, it encourages more social order

By the way I firmly believe in one rule for all, irrespective of who or where they are from

Oh The Humanity

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

What exactly do you think the travelling community adds to our society which is beneficial?

They once kindly took my old fridge away for €20 saving me from the odious task of chucking it on the motorway verge myself.

aDeener

enry wrote: »

I dont know where his children should live but after seeing his mother on T.V the other night. I would suggest that the best place for her to live would be somewhere in the middle of the Irish sea.

Just wondering is Mcginley a member of the travelling community.

you obviously didnt see a picture of him

aDeener

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

What exactly do you think the travelling community adds to our society which is beneficial?

na tincéirí have caused nothing but hardship in my local community, every one of them - yes you bleeding hearts - every one of them have been/are involved in criminal/anti social behaviour

Pygmalion

Yes, McGinley IS a member of the travelling community.

His mother stated that the old woman wouldn't have been raped if she was put in a home by her family, and pretty much blamed them for it.
So clearly she doesn't think the rape didn't happen, she just chooses to blame the victim rather than her son, a model citizen I think you'll all agree.

My name is URL

aDeener wrote: »

na tincéirí have caused nothing but hardship in my local community, every one of them - yes you bleeding hearts - every one of them have been/are involved in criminal/anti social behaviour

The fact that they're travelers seems to be anti-social as far as you're concerned.

The travelers that live in and around my area have being nothing but civil to me in the past

I'm not saying they're all saints, far from it.. but you're just projecting your hate of an ethnic group, regardless of fact

aDeener

My name is URL wrote: »

The fact that they're travelers seems to be anti-social as far as you're concerned.

The travelers that live in and around my area have being nothing but civil to me in the past

I'm not saying they're all saints, far from it.. but you're just projecting your hate of an ethnic group, regardless of fact

please tell me where i said that, i said in my area, which is fact as they all have the convictions which prove it so

My name is URL

aDeener wrote: »

please tell me where i said that, i said in my area, which is fact as they all have the convictions which prove it so

Well if thats really true then I appologise

Usually when someone says "every one of them" and uses the term "bleeding hearts" in the one sentence its a generalisation, and shows that a person is dead-set against a particular group rather than the individuals

5oaksdrogheda

Pygmalion wrote: »

Yes, McGinley IS a member of the travelling community.

His mother stated that the old woman wouldn't have been raped if she was put in a home by her family, and pretty much blamed them for it.
So clearly she doesn't think the rape didn't happen, she just chooses to blame the victim rather than her son, a model citizen I think you'll all agree.

Well i for one certainly do agree. nice to know i hadnt lost all sense of reality after all.

kathy2

I'd love to know what travellers add to society.

There was a traveller girl in my class at school she went on to marry her own first cousin. They had at least 6 children 2 of whom are blind and one deaf. The others are all a bit strange looking and none can be educated. Thats just one family, that girls brother is a danger to society.
No member of her family have ever worked and there is no visible means to provide all the things they have.

My experiences of travellers have all been negative, so of course my view is negative.

If filling the Hospitals and CMH, and prisons helps society then they have done a great job and can stop now.