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  • #32
    NoSummer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 45 ✭NoSummer


    Hi I find all this crying out about cuts kinda childish.
    Either we make cuts to make our system more efficient or we increase taxes.
    Nobody seems to want cuts and nobody wants higher taxes. Ye cant have your cake and eat it.


  • #33
    jaydoubleyoubee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31 ✭jaydoubleyoubee


    What's the point in having a cake if you can't eat it.

    Plus the government has been telling all the people in the secondary school system for the last 6 to 12 years that they would have free third level education.

    Essentially the governments saying, "Remember that cake we gave you a few years ago? Well we're kind of going to need that back, oh and the plastic forks and paper plates it came with. Oh you already ate it? Well that's not our fault, you're going to have to bake us a new cake, now."


  • #34
    Ostrom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭Ostrom


    pisslips wrote: »
    To me it makes more sense that NUIM would amalgamate with UCD. I've always seen it as an extension of UCD really.

    Also, I think one of the main reasons people choose to go to NUIM is because it is an NUI, therefore the degrees have to be of equal status to UCD,UCC,NUIG.

    Like, maybe this sounds bad but when I left school my choice was between NUIM,UCD and Trinity for that reason and because they're in the Dublin area. There was zero chance I would ever have gone to DCU or DIT or UL, absolutely none if I'm honest.

    But I guess hetac supercedes NUI now then.

    UCD are already tied to Trinity with the innovation alliance


  • #35
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,308 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Bringing fee's back will also lessen the amount of teachers needed, as not so many people will afford the education. We became a country of knowledge due to the free education, but now that people wil have to pay fee's, there'll be less going to college, and the knowledge ecomony won'be as strong here anymore, me thinks.


  • #36
    jane says
    Closed Accounts Posts: 44 ✭jane says


    the_syco wrote: »
    Bringing fee's back will also lessen the amount of teachers needed, as not so many people will afford the education. We became a country of knowledge due to the free education, but now that people wil have to pay fee's, there'll be less going to college, and the knowledge ecomony won'be as strong here anymore, me thinks.

    A country of knowledge, not including knowledge of punctuation methinks.

    :p


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  • #37
    jane says
    Closed Accounts Posts: 44 ✭jane says


    pisslips wrote: »
    To me it makes more sense that NUIM would amalgamate with UCD. I've always seen it as an extension of UCD really.

    Huh? They are completely separate.


  • #38
    pisslips
    Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭pisslips


    OH yeah I forgot to make that point. What I meant was I don't see any reason for an amalgamation of any universities, I mean why? if they're miles apart anyway.
    But I'm saying that if there was, I would have thought UCD and not DCU, just since both are the two NUI's in the Dublin area.

    Realistically there's probably a one in a million chance that that would happen(I didn't bring it up).


  • #39
    theredletter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭theredletter


    DCU is not an NUI:

    http://www.nui.ie/college/admissions.asp

    UCD and NUIM are already connected through the NUI system. UCD have taken a few steps away from NUI in recent years but it is still officially an NUI constituent.

    I've heard talk recently of a new type of NUI that would joine DIT, DCU and NUIM to tackle UCD and Trinity's competition. DCU would offer medicine and sciences, DIT would offer business and other subjects like it and NUIM would offer Arts and Social Sciences. It would be one huge DIT.. Not a good idea imo.


  • #40
    Ostrom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭Ostrom


    theredletter wrote: »
    DCU is not an NUI:

    http://www.nui.ie/college/admissions.asp

    UCD and NUIM are already connected through the NUI system. UCD have taken a few steps away from NUI in recent years but it is still officially an NUI constituent.

    I've heard talk recently of a new type of NUI that would joine DIT, DCU and NUIM to tackle UCD and Trinity's competition. DCU would offer medicine and sciences, DIT would offer business and other subjects like it and NUIM would offer Arts and Social Sciences. It would be one huge DIT.. Not a good idea imo.

    Agreed, but there is little need for the NUI in its present form, and as more productive alliances form with non-NUI institutions, it seems inevitable that it will not survive


  • #41
    mickstupp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭mickstupp


    Forgive my ignorance, but what would ditching the NUI actually mean for us Joe Soaps in college? What would change?


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  • #42
    theredletter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭theredletter


    I can't be too sure on this but I do know that the NUI is funded through fees, so there would be a small drop in fees (but this would probably be insignificant, right?).

    The other thing is there would also be more competition between NUIM, UCD, UCC and NUIG as they are bound through the NUI system. NUI Maynooth would then have to be more competitive in attracting student numbers. If Maynooth University wasn't an NUI, as it stands, I would think that a lot of the 2009 graduating class wouldn't have attended... Me included. NUI has given it a legitimate status and a good way of detatching itself from St. Pat's. If the NUI is taken away from Maynooth University I'm not sure how well it would do on it's own and without the NUI support... But again I'm not sure on that.

    NUI is a good thing in that it creates a degree standard. There is a standard NUI Arts Degree. If you do an Arts degree in either Galway, Cork, UCD or Maynooth it is generally still the same degree just from another institution. Take that NUI status away and they have to be differentiated some how...

    Thoughts?


  • #43
    Ostrom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭Ostrom


    mickstupp wrote: »
    Forgive my ignorance, but what would ditching the NUI actually mean for us Joe Soaps in college? What would change?

    I cant see it happening on the back of this. The report is simply an extensive menu with many optional extras. Nothing would happen directly to us since award accreditation is now removed - to be honest I'm a bit cynical about the need for senior admin at that level


  • #44
    pisslips
    Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭pisslips


    theredletter wrote: »
    DCU is not an NUI:

    http://www.nui.ie/college/admissions.asp

    UCD and NUIM are already connected through the NUI system. UCD have taken a few steps away from NUI in recent years but it is still officially an NUI constituent.

    I've heard talk recently of a new type of NUI that would joine DIT, DCU and NUIM to tackle UCD and Trinity's competition. DCU would offer medicine and sciences, DIT would offer business and other subjects like it and NUIM would offer Arts and Social Sciences. It would be one huge DIT.. Not a good idea imo.

    hence NOT D.C.U., do I speak a different language?


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