The BNP's attitude towards Ireland

IRISHSPORTSGUY

There would be a permanent standing invitation for Eire to join the pan-British parliament as an equal partner. It would be a matter for the citizens of each of the British nations to decide for themselves if they wished for the reigning head of the House of Windsor to be their Head of State, but he or she would not be head of the pan-British parliament, thereby making it realistic to hope that the Irish would find it
possible to rejoin the British Family of Nations, taking their rightful place side-by-side with the representatives of England, Scotland, Wales and Ulster, and ending for ever the Brothers’ War which has been our Achilles Heel, tragedy and shame since our Masters set us at each others’ throats generations ago

From their 2005 manifesto.

Obviously they'll never get into power but what does everyone think of that then?

loveissucide

Downright weird.Since when were Irish people considered British nationals by racists?

Deedsie

Well they have managed to insult us all by calling us british, the claimed three of our counties as part of the UK. (Ulster) Possibly aimed more at the loyalists of the North than the people of the Republic.

I would vote for the DUP before the BNP. And i am a nationalist.

junder

Deedsie wrote: »

Well they have managed to insult us all by calling us british, the claimed three of our counties as part of the UK. (Ulster) Possibly aimed more at the loyalists of the North than the people of the Republic.

I would vote for the DUP before the BNP. And i am a nationalist.

you think?

DTrotter

How many counties are in Ulster?

Fratton Fred

lighten up guys...it's comedy.

Isn't it?

oncevotedff

DTrotter wrote: »

How many counties are in Ulster?

Nine

oncevotedff

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

From their 2005 manifesto.

Obviously they'll never get into power but what does everyone think of that then?

It's a non-runner. We might start out as an equal partner but eventually someone would say something along the lines of "4 million Irish cannot be allowed decide the destiny of 50 million English". There would also be the problems of harmonising currencies, taxation, security, policing and so on.

Sand

The BNP...to be honest, it wont be too long before they are running Islamic and/or other ethnic minority candidates. I saw recently that they no longer want an all white Britain. They will just keep updating their definition of British to try and stay relevant whilst keeping the undercurrent of rage and entitlement. That is essentially their core message - rage and entitlement.

Bottle_of_Smoke

junder wrote: »

you think?

That's a surprising photo, no reference to Northern Ireland, guess its a local branch thing but would imagine a lot of Unionists would be offended by that

Okay, so who's gonna write the letter to say it was awfully nice of them to ask, but regretfully we will have to decline their generous offer?

nayorleck114

There was a similar movement in Europe in the 30's. And we all know what happened to them. BNP are a disgrace, most English people I know are embaressed by them

mickeyrooo

it makes me feel all loved and fuzzy on the inside!!!
seema a bit stupid to say that we are 'brothers' at war and that war

'has been our Achilles Heel, tragedy and shame since our Masters set us at each others’ throats generations ago'

then to talk about us joining up again under the

'the reigning head of the House of Windsor'

seems to me that thats the master that set us at each others throats...i dont wanna go back to that.
..unless brian cowen was the head of the new state and that state was..the celtic isles..

futurehope

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

That's a surprising photo, no reference to Northern Ireland, guess its a local branch thing but would imagine a lot of Unionists would be offended by that

You're right - they were!!!:D

futurehope

nayorleck114 wrote: »

There was a similar movement in Europe in the 30's. And we all know what happened to them. BNP are a disgrace, most English people I know are embaressed by them

Are you talking about The Irish 'blue shirts'?

dlofnep

Quite happy not to be associated with Britain, thank you.

futurehope

dlofnep wrote: »

Quite happy not to be associated with Britain, thank you.

You don't live in Northern Ireland then?

Iwasfrozen

futurehope wrote: »

You don't live in Northern Ireland then?

Obviously not, but then people form NI aren't considered British so I suppose it could be possible.

Grudaire

futurehope wrote: »

You don't live in Northern Ireland then?

Sure thats Britain being associated with us...

dlofnep

futurehope wrote: »

You don't live in Northern Ireland then?

Never heard of the place.

Fratton Fred

dlofnep wrote: »

Quite happy not to be associated with Britain, thank you.

Can I just say, on behalf of the people of Britain how very very sad we all are that you feel that way.:-)

Sand

Never heard of the place.

Northern Ireland is the grown up's name for the "Six Counties". You will find it on maps and so on. It is just north (hence the term) of Ireland, which is the grown up's name for the "Twenty Six Counties"

Iwasfrozen

Sand wrote: »

Northern Ireland is the grown up's name for the "Six Counties". You will find it on maps and so on. It is just north (hence the term) of Ireland, which is the grown up's name for the "Twenty Six Counties"

That's funny, I thought the grown up name was the north of Ireland.

Scofflaw

My moderator sense is tingling...are those handbags, or are you all just glad to see each other and rehearse together the old entrenched arguments?

moderately,
Scofflaw

dlofnep

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Can I just say, on behalf of the people of Britain how very very sad we all are that you feel that way.:-)

Just to clarify, I meant it in a political context. Association with wars on Iraq and such. On a social level, I'd be more than happy to be associated with Brits

Dannyboy83

I quite like the idea.

As likely to happen as the Irish Sea Tunnel tho.

junder

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Obviously not, but then people form NI aren't considered British so I suppose it could be possible.

just got my passport renewed, according to that i am British

junder

oncevotedff wrote: »

It's a non-runner. We might start out as an equal partner but eventually someone would say something along the lines of "4 million Irish cannot be allowed decide the destiny of 50 million English". There would also be the problems of harmonising currencies, taxation, security, policing and so on.

quite right, best we keep the United Kingdom or any part of it sepperate from the republic of ireland

junder

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

That's a surprising photo, no reference to Northern Ireland, guess its a local branch thing but would imagine a lot of Unionists would be offended by that

the selling of irish republican cd's on the BNP's website was interesting to

Victor

Its some of the enigma that is some racist organisations.

They dislike catholics, immigrants, Irish but they prefer them over "muslim pakis".

Deedsie

junder wrote: »

you think?

Surely that flag is an insult to the unionist people of the North?

Iwasfrozen

junder wrote:

just got my passport renewed, according to that i am British

"British" refers to those from Britain.
Your Passport confirms you as a citizen of the UK but that doesn't mean you're British.

junder

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

"British" refers to those from Britain.
Your Passport confirms you as a citizen of the UK but that doesn't mean you're British.

then what am i, if i am not British?

apoch632

Northern Irish??

junder

apoch632 wrote: »

Northern Irish??

you mean 'Northern Irish' as in coming from 'Northern Ireland' which is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland which entitles me to and to which i have availed of, a 'British' passport which clearly states i am a 'British' Citizen and therefore British?

Grudaire

junder wrote: »

you mean 'Northern Irish' as in coming from 'Northern Ireland' which is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland which entitles me to and to which i have availed of, a 'British' passport which clearly states i am a 'British' Citizen and therefore British?

I think the term should be changed to 'United Kingdom-ish'

Raskolnikov

Another thread ruined by people playing silly buggers with semantics.

It goes right down there with the assertation that Sinn Féin are Nazi's because they are nationalists, and socialists.

Sand

They are nationalist socialists though, arent they? If you had to describe their viewpoint...nationalist socialism would cover it as elegantly as possible.

DTrotter

apoch632 wrote: »

Northern Irish??

But Donegal is further North than alot of places in the north.

Koloman

junder wrote: »

then what am i, if i am not British?

You are British as most of the mature citizens in this country would see you as such.

It's just the inmature people who say different.

billy the squid

Sand wrote: »

They are nationalist socialists though, arent they? If you had to describe their viewpoint...nationalist socialism would cover it as elegantly as possible.

Nationalist and Socialist is different to National Socialism.

Sand

Only on the level of semantics. Nationalist Socialist is the short hand way of saying socialists who are also nationalist, or people who are socialist and nationalist.

Iwasfrozen

junder wrote: »

then what am i, if i am not British?

Sorry to tell you mate but you're Northern Irish, your political alliance has absolutely nothing to do with your demonym.
It's people in Northern Ireland calling themselves "Irish" or "British" that only serves to fan the flames of hatred.
You and everybody else up north are not Irish or British you are simply Northern Irish and the sooner evrybody realises that the better.

Koloman wrote:

You are British as most of the mature citizens in this country would see you as such.

It's just the inmature people who say different.

Care to back up that point ?

Richard

Aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhh

It's happening again! Make it stop!

DoireNod

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

You and everybody else up north are not Irish or British you are simply Northern Irish and the sooner evrybody realises that the better.

Completely disagree. How dare you! :eek:

The sooner people like you, who make such claims, drop that idea, the better!

junder

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Sorry to tell you mate but you're Northern Irish, your political alliance has absolutely nothing to do with your demonym.
It's people in Northern Ireland calling themselves "Irish" or "British" that only serves to fan the flames of hatred.
You and everybody else up north are not Irish or British you are simply Northern Irish and the sooner evrybody realises that the better.

Care to back up that point ?

parhaps you should consider joining the BNP, they to like to dicate what peoples national identy is or is not. A point you should consider is since you don't actully know me in person is how can you possiably tell me what my actual national identy is?
As for the BNP as a unionist i have nothing but contempt for them, they are a populist party masking a facist agenda, they are quite happy to morph thier identy into whatever will get them the most votes.

Acacia

junder wrote: »

you think?

That picture is shocking.

It disgusts me to see the Republic's flag sharing space with that vile party's name. They can take this policy (and their other hair-brained schemes) and shove them, excuse my French.

Victor wrote: »

Its some of the enigma that is some racist organisations.

They dislike catholics, immigrants, Irish but they prefer them over "muslim pakis".

It's because Irish Catholics are white, and therefore, ''more okay'' than ''Pakis''. Not quite on the BNP's acceptable list, but, y'know, at least they're not brown or black.

Fratton Fred

Acacia wrote: »

It's because Irish Catholics are white, and therefore, ''more okay'' than ''Pakis''. Not quite on the BNP's acceptable list, but, y'know, at least they're not brown or black.

Or maybe they think there is a market in Ireland for their particular brand of hate.

Raskolnikov

Sand wrote: »

They are nationalist socialists though, arent they? If you had to describe their viewpoint...nationalist socialism would cover it as elegantly as possible.

The SDLP are a nationalist and socialist party. Yet, I've never seen John Hume donning jackboots and calling for the extermination of Jews.

oscarBravo

I don't see this going anywhere useful.