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2007-public-private pay gap was 48%!
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I clearly never stated that they cant have a good effect so why are you telling me something that was clear from my posts but not yours?They can also have a good effect. Ever hear of the word pendulum? Ofcourse you did with your vast experience of history.
Yes, I have heard of the word pendulum, fascinating things. Did you know you can use them to calculate the acceleration due to gravity?
Have you ever heard that those who do not learn from the mistakes of history are doomed to repeat them? If you look back at the history of your posts you will see you are making the same mistakes...lying about your posts and misrepresenting mine.
What was at issue above is that you clearly believe they are having a detrimental effect on our economy and as a consequence need to be broken. You subsequently denied that you said the unions needed to be broken. This was a lie given that you believe the unions are having a detrimental effect on our economy. If you think they are not having a detrimental effect on our economy then why are you complaining about them?
btw you're the one that brought history into it so I assumed you were the one with the vast historical knowledge?
Well you were the one that accused me of using flowery language! So you clearly think I do. Its hard to use flowery language without a vocabulary that extends beyond four or five letter words surely? Make up your mind..either you think I use flowery language or I possess a limited vocabulary.that would assume you know some.
You are tying yourself up in knots again and diminshing the impact of any good points you might have made.Really
But what happens when you reach the top of the hill and have to fall downwards again?
Well I suppose if you use your pendulum to calculate the acceleration due to gravity and then do a little research around the concept and perhaps a little experimental work you might come to the conclusion that the force due to gravity will continue to act on you until you and you will continue downhill until an equal and opposite force (such as coming in contact with the earth or an obstacle) brings you to a halt.
The unions have not encountered their equivalent of the force due to gravity yet (the government has not provided it) and you are angry with the unions for flying too high??
I suggested you direct your anger where it is mainly deserved and where it has a chance of changing the situation. The very situation you want changed. This is not a misdirection/banker/builder or candle stick maker argument. It is a logical argument.deflection argument? again, also look to the banker the builder the candle stick maker.
Why get angry at the unions and expect them to change when you can get angry at your government and actually try to make them do what you want. Which I think in the first instance (and perhaps im wrong) is to not cave in to union demands and cut public sector pay.
I would have thought this was helpful, you are not going to reform or pressurize Beggs, O'Connor et al.....or their membership. As a member of the electorate you stand a chance of pressurizing elected government representatives to do what you want if enough of your fellow members of the electorate agree with you....shouldn't you use your energies to do this...it might actually achieve something. The elected government after all are the ones who are supposed to represent your interests as a taxpayer so you should be angry at them for not doing their job properly....never mind the banker or candlestick maker who look after their own interests first and foremost.I didnt suggest anything of the sort.
Sorry but Im afraid you did, either that or you cant formulate a sentence properly.
I will repost it again for you, please explain to me how the below post does not mean you somehow think that unions should be actively trying to reduce public sector wages in line with private sector wages. If you did mean something else then you have an exceptionally unclear way of expressing what you mean. Please see below....................again!Most of the Public believe that if the PS is overpaid by an average of 25% then the figure should be reduced by that amount by whatever means is necessary so as the PS is not overpaid by 'an average' of 25%. Again an issue for the PS and their unions. Is That not why you have unions??
Go on just look at the last underlined section, then re-read what went before and tell me what it means? If you meant something else you should have no trouble telling me what that was. If you were just ranting and typed any old thing that came into your head then you cant blame me for interpreting your words the way I have..its very hard to see any other meaning.
You will have to get used to the fact that your idea of enlightenment may be at odds with the ideas of some of your fellow man and for the record I dont think you can deal with facts at all, particularly facts which are critical of you.Jsut dealing withthe facts as I see them. A PS unwilling to see the road to damacus.
I hope you are not going to claim in subsequent posts that you meant the geographical location.0 -
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So it was a law degree the PS gave you . Your no perry mason!
No, no law degree. As I stated earlier the public service did not provide me with any on the job training or qualifications. I received all my education/training for the job before I entered the public service and some after I left.
What I did learn as part of my education was an ability to read and understand English, something you seem to be lacking as I have proven earlier many times (and Im not just saying that)
You accused me of trolling, most people would accept the below definition of trolling
“posting controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community “
I have not done this. I have simply defended myself from your misrepresentation of my posts and your continuous evasion and lying. Just because I am not willing to bow to your underhand tactics or let you have the last word does not make me a troll.
You in fact are the Troll because what you have been doing fits the above definition quite well.
Youre correct, whats your point? I did not just say I proved it, I actually went and proved it by quoting your posts. If I have been inaccurate then all you have to do is prove me wrong.saying you proved does prove anything
I did not say I wished to see them crushed, I did not imply it, I did not suggest it. You are the one who said this and then subsequently denied it.so you want them crushed also. Thats what you are saying. Larkin would turn in his grave.
How can you possibly turn a clear statement on my part that the unions should not be crushed but they should have their power reduced instead into a suggestion that I want them crushed.
That is what you said, then denied and now have admitted above. You see the bit where you typed “so you want them crushed also”? Earlier on you told me that was not what you wanted, the also bit kind of gives it away. Tying yourself up in knots again.
Could you please just re-read my post or the below quote from yourself (I have asked you to do this many times now and you continue to dodge the question) and tell me how this post does not mean that you think the unions should be actively trying to reduce their members pay and conditions. You denied that is what your post means so all you have to do now is explain what it does mean. Once again its the underlined bit at the end you should focus onso its not difficult to you but you have difficulty understanding ..hah? I think you might need special indoctrinationMost of the Public believe that if the PS is overpaid by an average of 25% then the figure should be reduced by that amount by whatever means is necessary so as the PS is not overpaid by 'an average' of 25%. Again an issue for the PS and their unions. Is That not why you have unions? ?
You claim the above does not mean you think the unions function is to reduce public sector wages in line with private sector wages if the public sector wages are ahead. O.K. Fine, tell me what it does mean, that is all I am asking. That should not be too hard to do.I know nothing of the band called the freemasons and and I dont know of the society of freemason. I think you should leave the frateral organisation that is the freemasons out of it it you dont know who they are. Stick to the pendulums.
A society can be defined as:
“A long-standing group of people sharing cultural aspects such as language, dress, norms of behavior and artistic forms; A group of people who meet from time to time to engage in a common interest; The sum total of all voluntary interrelations between individuals etc”
Hardly worlds apart from what you describe as a fraternal organisation. Talk about splitting hairs!
Btw, Freemasonry has often been called a secret society, it tends to be Freemasons themselves that argue it could be more accurately called an esoteric society in that certain aspects of it are private. So what is your non-point above. I cant refer to them as a society when they in fact refer to themselves as a society.
You brought up the Freemasons first, now youre telling me to leave them out of it???? You appear to know less about them than I do. I would say stick to the history books but that would be assuming you have actually read or understood one at all prior to this evening.Originally Posted by amacca
I think the unions shouldnt change, they should look for a 20% increase because they deserve it – nama – teaching our kids – frontline – dont worry about where the money comes from etcsounds like you contradict yourself there
Thats an exceptionally low tactic, you have deliberately snipped out the first part of this section of my post to make it appear as if I had contradicted myself..... below is what I said in full, ive underlined the bit you removed in an attempt to utterly change the meaning of what I said
“Please enlighten me once again and show me where anything Ive posted in this thread suggests in any way that I think the unions shouldnt change, that i think they should look for a 20% increase “
Significantly different in meaning from what you posted. That was dishonest of you.
Very troll like behaviour. Stop wasting my time with yet another type of dishonesty.
I havent done anything like this to you so show a little character.the only medium you are interested is in your crystal ball where you make up what I say
If you think I am making up what you say then why cant you address my posts directly and simply disprove the things you think I am making up instead of evading my questions. And to think you accused me of misdirection???Really I though the water and wine stuff would be difficult to beat after all these years. If I turned water into wine and did it so there was 20% more wine by volume in comparison to the water well that would be a good trick, kinda like I make a point and you change it into something else and add 20% to it for good measure, like you have been at all along.
Youre the one who is changing other peoples points into something else.
Youre the one who subsequently lies about the points you make earlier........................... instead of evading prove me wrong. If Im lying it should be very easy for you to prove it.
You claimed in your last post that I suggested that the unions should look for a 20% increase (among other things), so I simply ask you to back up this claim and prove to me and other posters where I have in any way made the suggestion that the unions should look for a 20% increase.
You say I have suggested this, I say I have not suggested this. All you have to do is prove me wrong. If Im lying it should be easy for you to do, simply quote the post where I said or suggested that the unions should look for a 20% increase.
If you cant do this then Im afraid you will have to admit that this claim is a lie also.0 -
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more great news! and im not being sarcastic, see below!
thank god they yes vote looks likely to go through, look how important europe is for us!
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/brendan-keenan/no-easy-way-out-as-these-figures-keep-getting-worse-1903382.html
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/brendan-keenan/no-easy-way-out-as-these-figures-keep-getting-worse-1903382.html
christ its a pity if the the IMF doesnt step in! hopefully the government wont have the balls to properly tackle spending and they come in and decimiate the public sector and welfare spending for the large amount of scroungers in this society! The longer this all gets drawn out, the more damage there is going to be!0 -
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