Death Penalty

Mayshine

Applied for special case murder one convictions, such as some of the gang murders recently

For or against?

Sulmac

Against, it's just an easy way out for the cowards.

Let 'em rot in jail until they die naturally.

Rabies

Death is an easy way out.

Chain gangs all the way.

Make them work for their crimes.

pikachucheeks

Rabies wrote: »

Death is an easy way out.

Chain gangs all the way.

Make them work for their crimes.

Valid point and I do agree.

But what would you say to those who'd argue that the death penalty should be allowed on the basis that a life jail sentence costs the government thousands of euro?

Mayshine

But life in jail is never life and we don't have chain gangs, nor will we.

Genuinely interested to see if the death penalty is an alternative to the lenient sentencing and also act as a real deterrent.

Sulmac

pikachucheeks wrote: »

But what would you say to those who'd argue that the death penalty should be allowed on the basis that a life jail sentence costs the government thousands of euro?

Apparently having the death penalty costs more to the state than a lifetime in prison. Linky.

Quazzie

pikachucheeks wrote: »

Valid point and I do agree.

But what would you say to those who'd argue that the death penalty should be allowed on the basis that a life jail sentence costs the government thousands of euro?

Make them work for their stay. We spend billions paying for labour on roads that could be done by chain gangs, and thats only one scenario.

Rabies

pikachucheeks wrote: »

Valid point and I do agree.

But what would you say to those who'd argue that the death penalty should be allowed on the basis that a life jail sentence costs the government thousands of euro?

Make them work.
There are jails that have inmates making number plates, growing crops, building roads etc.

Enforced manual labour, low skilled work that anyone can do. They earn their keep and food.

'Life' needs to be just that, not just 10-20yrs. It needs to do as it says on the tin.

The death penalty is too easy. America takes too long to kill someone on death row. They end up costing too much, in the middle east and China they can be killed a little bit too quick

enda1

Mayshine wrote: »

Applied for special case murder one convictions, such as some of the gang murders recently

For or against?

You really think gangland murder is the most depraved and irreconsilable crime? Scumbag kills a scumbag??

No I don't agree with the death penalty. It is a sign of a deeply troubled society.

speedboatchase

I used to be knee-jerk on this issue and know all the arguments against it but then I just figured, "f*** it". I don't care if a rapist is killed, or a murderer or a paedophile. They should definitely have to do hard labour and work their absolute balls off, with their minute wages going to the families whose lives they ruined, I'd like to see that implemented and for the most serious of cases, no problem with death penalty. A lot of criminals thrive on their notieriety in prison and crazed fanmail etc so I think life in prison (which has been said isn't really life) is the easy way out

I_am_Jebus

didn't a yes vote for the Nice Treaty essentially mean that we can no longer even consider the Death Penalty (even if we wanted to)

My preference would be genuine life sentences, meaning a person's natural life and making them get out there and work and contribute to society.

If that's not an option... Fry 'em

annabellee77

Death is too good for those scum.

Should have a life of complete and utter misery locked away. Without ANY luxuries (food and water a basic necessity)

ScumLord

Making them work is the way forward, I don't see why they don't do that. Make them repay their debt to society.

It doesn't have to stop at hard labor either start sending them bank managers to jail and then make them work for free in new state controlled banks.

Even if I was sent to jail for any reason I'd rather be able to do some good in there rather than rot.

Making them work in a military style setting should also make them better people by the time they come out.The work program could be used to show them the value of working hard and being part of a team, maybe even give them some skill by the time their finished so they have the real option of getting a job rather than sinking back into old habits.

Sulmac

I_am_Jebus wrote: »

didn't a yes vote for the Nice Treaty essentially mean that we can no longer even consider the Death Penalty (even if we wanted to)

The death penalty was officially abolished in law in 1990 (but hadn't been used since the 1950s), but on the day of the first Nice referendum there was another referendum on enshrining the ban on the death penalty into the constitution - and it passed 62% against 38%.

As far as I know, though, all EU member states have had to abolish the death penalty to join anyway.

I_am_Jebus

speedboatchase wrote: »

I used to be knee-jerk on this issue and know all the arguments against it but then I just figured, "f*** it". I don't care if a rapist is killed, or a murderer or a paedophile. They should definitely have to do hard labour and work their absolute balls off, with their minute wages going to the families whose lives they ruined, I'd like to see that implemented and for the most serious of cases, no problem with death penalty. A lot of criminals thrive on their notieriety in prison and crazed fanmail etc so I think life in prison (which has been said isn't really life) is the easy way out

rapists and paedophiles should have their cócks cut off on top of their jail sentence. If they can't be trusted to have a cock without committing a serious crime with it then take it off them.

Wurly

Mayshine wrote: »

Applied for special case murder one convictions, such as some of the gang murders recently

For or against?

So we murder a person who has murdered? A bit ironic.

As was said above - it's the easy way out for them and they should be made work.

I don't feel that you can cancel out the crime by doing exactly what they have done back to them.

Joey the lips

I am actually in favor of the death penality but its interesting cause

1. How do you apply it, is it a life for a life?

2. Do you allow a jury elect it. Which of couse can get emotional.

Lastly Amnesty Internatiol can actually show that it costs more to kill someone than it does to jail them for life.... Yes the stat surprised me to.

Mayshine

enda1 wrote: »

You really think gangland murder is the most depraved and irreconsilable crime? Scumbag kills a scumbag??

No I don't agree with the death penalty. It is a sign of a deeply troubled society.

It's depraved and irreconsilable enough for me to consider whether a death penalty could be warranted

I_am_Jebus

Sulmac wrote: »

The death penalty was officially abolished in law in 1990 (but hadn't been used since the 1950s), but on the day of the first Nice referendum there was another referendum on enshrining the ban on the death penalty into the constitution - and it passed 62% against 38%.

As far as I know, though, all EU member states have had to abolish the death penalty to join anyway.

Excellent, thanks for that, so it was a separate issue to Europe then.

Presumably, we could hold a referendum to re-instate it (if Europe agreed to allow us) at some stage in the future

I_am_Jebus

Trí wrote: »

So we murder a person who has murdered? A bit ironic.

As was said above - it's the easy way out for them and they should be made work.

I don't feel that you can cancel out the crime by doing exactly what they have done back to them.

But didn't Jesus say - an "Eye for an Eye" or was that someone else in the bible?

Wurly

I_am_Jebus wrote: »

But didn't Jesus say - an "Eye for an Eye" or was that someone else in the bible?

I think that was Jebus, not Jesus.:pac:

It should definitely be brought back for serious crimes murder etc but especially sexual crimes and even more so sexual crimes against children. Perpetrators of such crimes should be hung, drawn, quartered, shot and poisoned!! In public of course.

annabellee77

This guy has the right idea.....

I_am_Jebus

Trí wrote: »

I think that was Jebus, not Jesus.:pac:

:eek:

my memory is fúcked!

genericguy

Ariana Alive Dartboard wrote: »

It should definitely be brought back for serious crimes murder etc but especially sexual crimes and even more so sexual crimes against children. Perpetrators of such crimes should be hung, drawn, quartered, shot and poisoned!! In public of course.

In this order???

Sleipnir

I_am_Jebus wrote: »

rapists and paedophiles should have their cócks cut off on top of their jail sentence. If they can't be trusted to have a cock without committing a serious crime with it then take it off them.

A civilised society cannot have mutilation as part of their criminal justice system.

Sulmac

Ariana Alive Dartboard wrote: »

Perpetrators of such crimes should be hung, drawn, quartered, shot and poisoned!!

Didn't work on Rasputin. :pac:

genericguy

genericguy wrote: »

In this order???

Not necessarily. Obviously one would work through the list in order that the person could be kept alive throughout. It just sounds better when said in that order.

nix

Sulmac wrote: »

Apparently having the death penalty costs more to the state than a lifetime in prison. Linky.

Apparently they aren't shopping around much, how much does a revolver cost these days? A good aul .357 will ensure death, no need for reloads etc.

:pac::pac::pac:

CamperMan

it's wrong and I am completly against this barbaric punishment!!!!

Amarok

We are talking about select crimes committed, people who murder one or two should not get the death penalty he should be given another chance in my opinion but those like Sidam/Ossama should be given for genaside and terrorism but the death pennelty should only be used in extream casses, prissoners suffer more in jail than in a grave.

Hagar

Death sentence? Only for a first offence.

I_am_Jebus

Sleipnir wrote: »

A civilised society cannot have mutilation as part of their criminal justice system.

A civilised society wouldn't let these fúckers back on the streets in less than 10 years to commit these crimes again.

A civilised society wouldn't spend 30 years covering up the sick acts of abuse carried out on children by an Internationl Organisation.

The same civilised society, wouldn't continue to hide the identity of the offendors so that they aren't prosecuted and held accountable for their crimes.

Civilised society is a dream! We may be more civilised than those generations that went before us... but we're far from civilised.

CamperMan

Amarok wrote: »

We are talking about select crimes committed, people who murder one or two should not get the death penalty he should be given another chance in my opinion but those like Sidam/Ossama should be given for genaside and terrorism but the death pennelty should only be used in extream casses, prissoners suffer more in jail than in a grave.

NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO TAKE A LIFE!!! and that includes the goverments!!

ScumLord

I_am_Jebus wrote: »

But didn't Jesus say - an "Eye for an Eye" or was that someone else in the bible?

God said that. Then God turned into Jesus, changed his mind and said the opposite.

I_am_Jebus

Amarok wrote: »

We are talking about select crimes committed, people who murder one or two should not get the death penalty he should be given another chance in my opinion but those like Sidam/Ossama should be given for genaside and terrorism but the death pennelty should only be used in extream casses, prissoners suffer more in jail than in a grave.

1. Ossama was convicted of something ???

2. Prisoners do not suffer more in Irish jails. (take a trip to the Women's Prison in Mount Joy).

Theta

I would like to see them dig holes or break rocks over and over for no reason for years and years.

I_am_Jebus

CamperMan wrote: »

NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO TAKE A LIFE!!! and that includes the goverments!!

You have the right to remain silent. :)





(and the right not to use caps lock):cool:

enda1

irlmarc wrote: »

I would like to see them dig holes or break rocks over and over for no reason for years and years.

Why?

asti_mivec

CamperMan wrote: »

NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO TAKE A LIFE!!! and that includes the goverments!!

Absolutely agree!

We need to change the way the whole country is run from the ground up, and this should never be an option.

Who the hell could trust anybody in this country with that kind of power, especially the Politicians and their friends in the judicial system, the guards, the corporations who ultimately pay the governments to do what they want???

I totally agree that these peoples actions are pure filth, but our current society breeds this contempt for human life everywhere. I do not agree that anybody has the right to take anothers life at all.

Do we want to be like the septics and have our jails full instead of our schools? What are the alternatives for so many Americans that fail to get the education and acccess to factual information that they deserve? For so many the options are either join the army or join a gang (as far as they are led to believe anyway) and this does not create a good society in my opinion!

toiletduck

Hagar wrote: »

Death sentence? Only for a first offence.

Summary on the spot executions of tv licence evaders is what the country needs to get us back on track.

Sleipnir

I_am_Jebus wrote: »

A civilised society wouldn't let these fúckers back on the streets in less than 10 years to commit these crimes again.

A civilised society wouldn't spend 30 years covering up the sick acts of abuse carried out on children by an Internationl Organisation.

The same civilised society, wouldn't continue to hide the identity of the offendors so that they aren't prosecuted and held accountable for their crimes.

I'm not saying they are punished enough currently, I'm saying that if you can mutilate people in accordance with the law, you're in a bad place.

I_am_Jebus wrote: »

Civilised society is a dream! We may be more civilised than those generations that went before us... but we're far from civilised.

Well then, let's just give up and start eating each other.

Fighting Irish

speedboatchase wrote: »

I used to be knee-jerk on this issue and know all the arguments against it but then I just figured, "f*** it". I don't care if a rapist is killed, or a murderer or a paedophile.

Thinking some 16 year old is hot makes you a paedo doesn't it? :pac:

Fighting Irish

I couldn't care less about the death sentence, i just want it to be cheaper for crims to do their punishment

I_am_Jebus

Sleipnir wrote: »

Well then, let's just give up and start eating each other.

Score! I am choosing who to eat first........

I_am_Jebus

Sleipnir wrote: »

I'm not saying they are punished enough currently, I'm saying that if you can mutilate people in accordance with the law, you're in a bad place.



Well then, let's just give up and start eating each other.

Actually, meant to say, I assume that you consider California to be uncivilised?

Amalgam

I posted this in the Christianity forum. Interesting site, without being judgemental, one way or the other. Website puts the social phobias and fears of the time in context to the punishment being carried out. There's also the progression of execution, both ethically and in the practical ways it is carried out.

I guarantee you you'll be addicted. The Irish civil war is covered, amazing the amount of people executed. 'Normal' executions under English rule (Southern Ireland) are listed also.

Reposted with the same warning.

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Mild NSFW - In as much as your employer might find the site content 'odd'. There are pictures of gallows.

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If you want a good historical overview of Capital Punishment in the UK and Ireland.. and further abroad, there's none better than the following site:

http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/contents.html

Very, middle-of-the-road, matter-of-fact about the preparation and processes that take place. 1700's to the present day.

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Mild NSFW - In as much as your employer might find the site content 'odd'. There are pictures of gallows.

Stev_o

Jail for them is a luxury.

Theta

enda1 wrote: »

Why?

They have put others through hell. I cant think of anythign more soul destroying have to break rocks with a sledge hammer for no purpose for 10 years.

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Kill 'em All, let God sort 'em out.

Dravokivich

... don't see why someoen should deserve compassion when they've none to give...

Over time there's "Regret"... yeah sure there is... they get banged up in prison for a while... sure you'd regret being bored shítless... Sure you'll find god... or allah... or what ever could get you out...

Anyhow... prison is just another playground these days...

-Drav!