Intelligent vs. educated

mufc4lfe

Ok this is a question I have been thinking about and posesd to people.I have a cousin he is 16.....he is a top student proberly going to get 550+ points in his leaving cert.He likes to read and has wrote poems in his spare time which have won awards.He is not a real freaky geek type guy now....hes a sound average guy,likes his xbox not so much sports.Now on the otherside theres my brother.......same age not your top student will aim to get about 200-250 points in his leaving cert like myself.In contrast to my cousin he is a super athlete,fit,strong great footballer and even better basketballer.He is as you say street wise in contast to my cousin.Now the big question,would you say my cousin is more intelligent than my brother.....the top stundent vs. the street wise athlethe?Is my cousin highly intelligent or highly educated?

Michellenman

mufc4lfe wrote: »

Ok this is a question I have been thinking about and posesd to people.I have a cousin he is 16.....he is a top student proberly going to get 550+ points in his leaving cert.He likes to read and has written poems in his spare time which have won awards.He is not a real freaky geek type guy now....hes a sound average guy,likes his xbox not so much sports.Now on the otherside there's my brother.......same age not your top student will aim to get about 200-250 points in his leaving cert like myself.In contrast to my cousin he is a super athlete,fit,strong great footballer and even better basketballer.He is as you say street wise in contast to my cousin.Now the big question,would you say my cousin is more intelligent than my brother.....the top stundent vs. the street wise athlethe?Is my cousin highly intelligent or highly educated?

FYP.

jumpguy

My friend, you have stumbled across one of the biggest and most obvious mysteries of life - we all have a particular skill or talent. We can't be good at everything, we all have a particular set of good attributes and bad attributes. Sure even look at yourself, there's always something you're good at, and then something you're bad at. It's all balanced out... For example, you have some EXTREMELY nerdy people who'll get 600 points in their leaving cert no problem, but they have the ****tiest social skills going and aren't a likeable person. On the other hand, there's people who'll never do the leaving cert, but are very nice people, great social skills, always having great fun. They might never earn a huge wage, but they'll marry a rich woman and they'll be grand.

tedstriker

Sometimes though some people are smarter than others.. in pretty much everything.

Beanstalk

Exactly, theres lots of different types of intelligence, having a good head for certain things etc....I think being good at a certain sport requires a lot of intelligence and you have to think quickly.

it all balances out. for example, take the op, on one hand you've shown a great insight for intelligent thought and rationale, on the other hand you're also a man utd fan.....:pac:

Biggins

I have a cousin that at the age of 23 was a professor at Trinity, Dublin. Honestly.
When he did his leaving he got the best results in the whole of Ireland.
Needless to say he was snapped up as soon as he walked through the exit gates.
He now (and for many years) still works for NASA in Florida. Some secret crap.
He has brains to burn, can work out the square root of any 10 digit number in seconds, etc...
That said, try holding a conversation with him and one minute your talking about football and the next minute he off talking about the quantum mechanics of the big bang theory and starts to write on the back of beer mats maths equations.
Long story short - he can't relate to people. In a room of party people, he ALWAYS sticks out like a sore thumb.

Is he intelligent? Yes.
Is he street-wise? Not a bit. He wouldn't know the price of bread or milk, how to change a car tyre, how to fix a leak or change a plug, etc.

My parents when we were both young used to say "why can't you be like him?" - now they say "Thank god you never turned out like him!"

There is no right or wrong way to be, I'm just grateful there is both around to balance the scales!

Michellenman

Biggins wrote: »

I have a cousin that at the age of 23 was a professor at Trinity, Dublin. Honestly.
When he did his leaving he got the best results in the whole of Ireland.
Needless to say he was snapped up as soon as he walked through the exit gates.
He now (and for many years) still works for NASA in Florida. Some secret crap.
He has brains to burn, can work out the square root of any 10 digit number in seconds, etc...
That said, try holding a conversation with him and one minute your talking about football and the next minute he off talking about the quantum mechanics of the big bang theory and starts to write on the back of beer mats maths equations.
Long story short - he can't relate to people. In a room of party people, he ALWAYS sticks out like a sore thumb.

Is he intelligent? Yes.
Is he street-wise? Not a bit. He wouldn't know the price of bread or milk, how to change a car tyre, how to fix a leak or change a plug, etc.

My parents when we were both young used to say "why can't you be like him?" - now they say "Thank god you never turned out like him!"

There is no right or wrong way to be, I'm just grateful there is both around to balance the scales!

It's always secret with you isn't it?

Biggins

Michellenman wrote: »

It's always secret with you isn't it?

It's this darn tinter net thingy. Can't say nouth! :pac:

He tells us feck all but we get some lovely rare NASA objects when he is home.

AlmightyCushion

Biggins wrote: »

can work out the square root of any 10 digit number in seconds, etc...

That's not all that impressive, I can do that. Just try me.

*pulls out calculator*

Biggins

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

That's not all that impressive, I can do that. Just try me.

*pulls out calculator*

:pac:

AlmightyCushion

Biggins wrote: »

:pac:

I stand corrected. My calculator has no pacman button.

dyl10

Chances are, your cousin probably is more intelligent than your brother due to a number of points you made.

That being said, nothing's a definite.

Biggins

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I stand corrected. My calculator has no pacman button.

Very good!

fionnmar

at 16 your cousin hasnt been educated (in the academic sense)...i mean he hasnt a PhD from harvard or anything. He is obviously book smart, which is different from street smart (or athlete-smart or drama-smart or whatever 'smart' you have)...in older people who didnt have the chance for education i think there is a more defined difference because they didnt get the chance to develop whatever talents they have, but they still have a gift - this is what i consider to be the difference between 'intelligence' and 'education' - intelligence is like your inherent talent (some have stronger talents than others) and education is the formal development of that talent - in whatever field your gift or talent is

K-9

Intelligence is more important and refined than being educated.

The 2 views of intelligence you have presented OP are both limited.

K4t

As a general point, I would hesitate to judge intelligence and education on the LC exam

K4t

K-9 wrote: »

Intelligence is far more important than being educated.

Why?

amacachi

There's different types of "intelligence" even outside of whether someone is "educated" or not. I can score really well on aptitude and IQ tests, have a great memory and am told I'm good craic and can hold conversations well, so I think I'm fairly lucky in that respect.
There's a guy in his 50s who I knew as a mate's mother's boyfriend who left school at 14, was on and off the dole his whole life, was good craic but never seemed all that smart. We were doing a crossword once and Christ I've never seen anything like it, he just flew through it. So there's uneducated and not overtly "intelligent" yet in one respect he was more "intelligent" than anyone else I've met.
Then there are people who did sweet FA in school and learned up on things in their free time.

Both within "educated" and "intelligent" there are many, many facets which I doubt we're going to come to a reasonable answer to settle on.

K-9

K4t wrote: »

Why?

Google the different forms of intelligence. Sorry I had to educate you there!

Pete4779

mufc4lfe wrote: »

Ok this is a question I have been thinking about and posesd to people.I have a cousin he is 16.....he is a top student proberly going to get 550+ points in his leaving cert.He likes to read and has wrote poems in his spare time which have won awards.He is not a real freaky geek type guy now....hes a sound average guy,likes his xbox not so much sports.Now on the otherside theres my brother.......same age not your top student will aim to get about 200-250 points in his leaving cert like myself.In contrast to my cousin he is a super athlete,fit,strong great footballer and even better basketballer.He is as you say street wise in contast to my cousin.Now the big question,would you say my cousin is more intelligent than my brother.....the top stundent vs. the street wise athlethe?Is my cousin highly intelligent or highly educated?

well street-wise is great for when you end up living on the streets.

fionnmar

hmm..i would lay a lot more value on native intelligence than education. i have a lot of education (as in degree, postgrads etc) but that doesnt make me intelligent...my father who has no education (as in Phd, MSc, BSc) has a lot more refinement and quicker to cop on and analyse stories than i

devereaux17

the people who say education isnt important are generally idiots. they like to justify their pathetic existence by saying 'ah sure theres something for everyone' shut up and clean my shoes ya toad.

dyl10

I would venture, that by studying for his exams and working for his exams your cousin is demonstrating higher intelligence than that of your brother, who must be doing little or no work to be aiming at 200-250 points.

Blush_01

K4t wrote: »

Why?

Because.

If you're not intelligent, all the education in the world won't make you any more apt to succeed. Academic intelligence is only one facet of intelligence though, and people seem to just hang their hats on academia - they either succeed at it or they don't, and they define themselves by it.

It takes all kinds of people to make the world work - if everyone was the same kind of smart we'd be buggered (without the fun).

K4t

K-9 wrote: »

Google the different forms of intelligence. Sorry I had to educate you there!

In the modern world, education is extremely important. You cna't get a decent job without at least some sort of degree, and even at the moment, degrees are are not getting people jobs. Intelligence is also very important I agree, because it is intelligence generally which decides the standard of said degree.

Having said all that, hard work > Education/Intelligence.

K-9

devereaux17 wrote: »

the people who say education isnt important are generally idiots. they like to justify their pathetic existence by saying 'ah sure theres something for everyone' shut up and clean my shoes ya toad.

LOLz.

You really don't get it?

You can be educated and intelligent but also educated and not particularly intelligent. Your post would be a good example.

Nobody has said education isn't important, but some posters haven't the intelligence to see the distinction?

_Mia_

mufc4lfe wrote: »

Is my cousin highly intelligent or highly educated?

If they both live in Ireland, then they will have both gone through primary and secondary school, will have been taught the same course material and will both be learning the same stuff from the same curriculum. They are both exactly as educated as each other. Your cousin is just better at remembering, processing and reproducing the stuff he's been taught. Your cousin probably is more naturally "intelligent" than your brother, in the general sense of the word.

No biggie though. Your brother sounds like he has plenty going for him, you don't need to be academic to be successful.

K-9

dyl10 wrote: »

I would venture, that by studying for his exams and working for his exams your cousin is demonstrating higher intelligence than that of your brother, who must be doing little or no work to be aiming at 200-250 points.

Fair point.

K4t wrote: »

In the modern world, education is extremely important. You cna't get a decent job without at least some sort of degree, and even at the moment, degrees are are not getting people jobs. Intelligence is also very important I agree, because it is intelligence generally which decides the standard of said degree.

Having said all that, hard work > Education/Intelligence.

Nobody is saying education isn't important. That wouldn't be intelligent!

Different degrees require different forms of intelligence? Intelligence doesn't decide the standard at all, definitely not. The type of intelligence does.

_Mia_ wrote: »

If they both live in Ireland, then they will have both gone through primary and secondary school, will have been taught the same course material and will both be learning the same stuff from the same curriculum. They are both exactly as educated as each other. Your cousin is just better at remembering, processing and reproducing the stuff he's been taught. Your cousin probably is more naturally "intelligent" than your brother, in the general sense of the word.

No biggie though. Your brother sounds like he has plenty going for him, you don't need to be academic to be successful.

Exactly. I'm crap at certain things. It requires a certain form of intelligence that I lack to be good at those things.

jumpguy

devereaux17 wrote: »

the people who say education isnt important are generally idiots. they like to justify their pathetic existence by saying 'ah sure theres something for everyone' shut up and clean my shoes ya toad.

What? You can't be serious. How can you say intelligence is not as important than education. Look at former US president George Bush, he was educated but the man was a complete buffoon. You need to be intelligent to do your job well and the ability to think on your own. Otherwise, you'll be only a fellow who can learn off set guidelines and can't think outside the box at all. As good as an assembly worker in a factor if you ask me...or a bureaucrat. If you think gazing into books and trawling the interwebz throughout your life is gonna make you great then it's time to think again.

Local-womanizer

My cousin is a smart whore but he is a tw@t.

He reminds me of the nerds homer befriends in the Simpsons,once they leave Uni,wallet inspector.He is the type that would fall for that.

AlmightyCushion

Local-womanizer wrote: »

My cousin is a smart whore but he is a tw@t.

He reminds me of the nerds homer befriends in the Simpsons,once they leave Uni,wallet inspector.He is the type that would fall for that.

Name, address and a picture of said cousin please.

partyatmygaff

Generally people who have higher degrees and the like are intelligent.
Now I can say about 99% of ireland is educated up to atleast secondary school levels. Both the failures and the successful students, but you can be fairly sure the success students have above average intelligence, the failures are no offense to anyone but usually lazy and not willing to put in the work needed trying to be cool or whatever(F*cking idiots) which is a sign of a lack of intelligence by forgoing a good education for slacking off and looking cool in front of your mates who you will probably never see again after secondary school. The amount of tools that think like this is amazing.

Local-womanizer

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Name, address and a picture of said cousin please.

I got there first;)















Ok its me Iam talking about:(

Gavin "shels"

mufc4lfe wrote: »

Is my cousin highly intelligent or highly educated?

Neither, he is book smart. Personnally I'm only aiming for 300 odd in the Leaving but I'd consider myself highly intelligent, knowledgeable and street smart, what's more important in the long-term, the latter option.

partyatmygaff

Gavin shels wrote: »

Neither, he is book smart. Personnally I'm only aiming for 300 odd in the Leaving but I'd consider myself highly intelligent, knowledgeable and street smart, what's more important in the long-term, the latter option.

Being intelligent and street-smart all fine and stuff but I'd rather have a well paying job than being street-smart whatever the hell that is, its not like we fight for survival on the streets.

Local-womanizer

partyatmygaff wrote: »

its not like we fight for survival on the streets.

*Awaits a Dublin or Limerick reference*:rolleyes:

Your right though,just by growing up you will gain enough cop on to stay safe on the streets.

jumpguy

Street smart is grand in Dublin...can't stand why people say it in small towns with like 2 or 3 streets. Then again, how much is there to it? Anyway, there's a place for everyone is society. As somebody said, hard work < (is that greater or less than? see, I'm abit of a retard too) all. If you're a lazy shíthead, society won't reward you. If your a hard working person but have no social skills, you'll be rewarded but only so much professionally and perhaps that's good enough for some people. If you have both...well then you're on the ball as the man says.

Esmeralda34

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Generally people who have higher degrees and the like are intelligent.
Now I can say about 99% of ireland is educated up to atleast secondary school levels. Both the failures and the successful students, but you can be fairly sure the success students have above average intelligence, the failures are no offense to anyone but usually lazy and not willing to put in the work needed trying to be cool or whatever(F*cking idiots) which is a sign of a lack of intelligence by forgoing a good education for slacking off and looking cool in front of your mates who you will probably never see again after secondary school. The amount of tools that think like this is amazing.

A prime example of a lack of emotional intelligence...!

K-9

Local-womanizer wrote: »

*Awaits a Dublin or Limerick reference*:rolleyes:

Your right though,just by growing up you will gain enough cop on to stay safe on the streets.

jumpguy wrote: »

Street smart is grand in Dublin...can't stand why people say it in small towns with like 2 or 3 streets. Then again, how much is there to it? Anyway, there's a place for everyone is society. As somebody said, hard work < (is that greater or less than? see, I'm abit of a retard too) all. If you're a lazy shíthead, society won't reward you. If your a hard working person but have no social skills, you'll be rewarded but only so much professionally and perhaps that's good enough for some people. If you have both...well then you're on the ball as the man says.

Prime example of knowing what "street smart" is.

I knew what "street smart", "education" and "intelligence" was for sure at 19.

Now I know I was a know it all twat.

Cianos

Academia is overrated.

Scoring high in your leaving cert essentially means you have good concentration skills, you have a good enough memory to allow you to regurgitate what you have been told to remember, and you have the discipline to put all of this down on to paper on the day in question.

If you succeed at the above, you will be rewarded with being able to continue the same display of skills for another 4 or 5 years, and will land yourself a nice job at the end of it. You will then carry on through said job safe in the knowledge that you are an intelligent and a worthy human being.

At the other end of the scale, there are people who have dire attention spans yet are extremely intelligent. There are people who have bad articulation skills yet are extremely intelligent. There are people who get nervous on important days such as exam day and simply can't do their knowledge justice, yet are extremely intelligent. And there are people who prefer to hang around with their mates rather than stay at home and memorise, yet, are extremely intelligent.

The snobbery towards academic ability and the equation of that with "intelligence" is depressing. There are just too many things that people are good at to judge it within that one context.

jumpguy

K-9 wrote: »

Prime example of knowing what "street smart" is.

I knew what "street smart", "education" and "intelligence" was for sure at 19.

Now I know I was a know it all twat.

Wha? How the heck is my post a prime example of knowing what street smart is?

K-9

jumpguy wrote: »

Wha? How the heck is my post a prime example of knowing what street smart is?

Ach, Street smart doesn't just apply to Dublin. It isn't just a city thing.

flas

hard work,charm and carisma will bring you further in this life than anything else. If you can hold a decent conversation and work hard at your profession your on your way.

jumpguy

Ohhhh right I get ya.* I don't live in Dublin or any city though. So the street smart thing doesn't so much apply here, there's not much to know, everyone knows everyone really.




*I think

Cianos

K-9 wrote: »

Ach, Street smart doesn't just apply to Dublin. It isn't just a city thing.

It is. You're probably thinking of field-smart.

xOxSinéadxOx

mufc4lfe wrote: »

Ok this is a question I have been thinking about and posesd to people.I have a cousin he is 16.....he is a top student proberly going to get 550+ points in his leaving cert.He likes to read and has wrote poems in his spare time which have won awards.He is not a real freaky geek type guy now....hes a sound average guy,likes his xbox not so much sports.Now on the otherside theres my brother.......same age not your top student will aim to get about 200-250 points in his leaving cert like myself.In contrast to my cousin he is a super athlete,fit,strong great footballer and even better basketballer.He is as you say street wise in contast to my cousin.Now the big question,would you say my cousin is more intelligent than my brother.....the top stundent vs. the street wise athlethe?Is my cousin highly intelligent or highly educated?

obviously the first guy is smarter. your brother is good at sport. there's a difference.

but I agree it's hard to say what intelligence is. you just used a crap example

K-9

jumpguy wrote: »

Ohhhh right I get ya.* I don't live in Dublin or any city though. So the street smart thing doesn't so much apply here, there's not much to know, everyone knows everyone really.




*I think

Cianos wrote: »

It is. You're probably thinking of field-smart.

Suppose it's the "ould cop on" to me. Some have it, some don't.

jumpguy

K-9 wrote: »

Suppose it's the "ould cop on" to me. Some have it, some don't.

Spose I don't then. Dang. :rolleyes:

browne_rob5

Gavin shels wrote: »

Neither, he is book smart. Personnally I'm only aiming for 300 odd in the Leaving but I'd consider myself highly intelligent, knowledgeable and street smart, what's more important in the long-term, the latter option.

I got 485 points in the leaving cert without doing much work and would consider myself both knowledgeable and street smart as have been successful in business and well travelled as well as getting along with people well. Would not however consider myself highly intelligent.

Highly intelligent people make a difference in whatever field they choose to work in. Someone of high intelligence should be able to easily get close to full points in leaving cert.

ChocolateSauce

mufc4lfe wrote: »

Ok this is a question I have been thinking about and posesd to people.I have a cousin he is 16.....he is a top student proberly going to get 550+ points in his leaving cert.He likes to read and has wrote poems in his spare time which have won awards.He is not a real freaky geek type guy now....hes a sound average guy,likes his xbox not so much sports.Now on the otherside theres my brother.......same age not your top student will aim to get about 200-250 points in his leaving cert like myself.In contrast to my cousin he is a super athlete,fit,strong great footballer and even better basketballer.He is as you say street wise in contast to my cousin.Now the big question,would you say my cousin is more intelligent than my brother.....the top stundent vs. the street wise athlethe?Is my cousin highly intelligent or highly educated?

If your cousin hasn't left school, he is not highly educated (yet). I know loads of people who scored highly on the LC but are really only of average IQ, as well as many high scorers who are genuinely brilliant, as well as some genuinely brilliant people who never even finished school. Long story short, although most educated people are intelligent, and most intelligent people are educated, they're not mutually exclusive.

Dragan

jumpguy wrote: »

We can't be good at everything,

Have you tried?

It's fun.