Racism in Norm Iron

What is it with people up there; after decades of hating each other, they now have turned on immigrants!

Can't they live in peace with anyone!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/8104287.stm

A five-day-old girl is among more than 100 Romanian people who have spent the night in a church hall after fleeing their homes in south Belfast.
The group of about 20 families said they left their homes in the Lisburn Road area after suffering racist attacks for almost a week.

javaboy

I love the smell of sweeping generalisations in the morning!

super_furry

There's always been that element to loyalism. It's why there's such close links between and groups like the BNP.

mike65

Sure, why end the hate? Certain "types" need an enemy, any enemy.

javaboy

javaboy wrote: »

I love the smell of sweeping generalisations in the morning!

It saves trying to be PC and a lot of typing!

Ozziej

Generalisation is right. You could even be more specific. The UDA has always had links with the BNP and Combat 18. The UVF and IRA being more left wing in nature. Noone could ever accuse Sinn Fein of being rightwing or anti-immigrant in policy. Unless of course you call the planters immigrants ha ha.

4zn76tysfajdxp

"Norm Iron?"

Is that the name of a mooted Cheers and Marvel comics crossover?

super_furry

Plus South Belfast is a loyalist area.

b0bsquish

Yeah cause there's no racism in rest of the country at all.



damn foreigners eating our swans

super_furry

There's a slight difference between people talking ****e about swans and 100 people being hounded of their homes in a concerted effort.

beeno67

Deleted User wrote: »

What is it with people up there; after decades of hating each other, they now have turned on immigrants!

Can't they live in peace with anyone!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/8104287.stm

Oh it is not just immigrants, what about gays and lesbians, or Muslims trying to build a Mosque? In Northern Ireland equal oppurtunity means hate everybody.

SEPT 23 1989

So we can have a whole thread attacking the Loyalist/Protestant population in Northern Ireland but we can say nothing about Irish Travellers

mike65

beeno67

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

So we can have a whole thread attacking the Loyalist/Protestant population in Northern Ireland but we can say nothing about Irish Travellers

Yeah but Irish Travellers aren't as intolerent as Norn Iron People

Aidric

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

So we can have a whole thread attacking the Loyalist/Protestant population in Northern Ireland but we can say nothing about Irish Travellers

Double standards. Where?

wes

Aidric wrote: »

Double standards. Where?

There is a world of difference between a ethnic group and a political group.

Now, having said that. It is unfair to make sweeping generalizations about the whole lot of the North, but singling out Loyalist groups, who have known links to far right group is perfectly valid point in the discussion, as there is a possibility that they are involved.

BraziliaNZ

it's true, there's a lot more bigotry going on up there, they seem to lap it up, this has been going on for years, i remember watching a program about people from the Chinese community being hounded out of their homes and their shops being attacked etc a few years ago up there. Their scum must be even more stupid/intolerant as ours.

Jaysoose

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

it's true, there's a lot more bigotry going on up there, they seem to lap it up, this has been going on for years, i remember watching a program about people from the Chinese community being hounded out of their homes and their shops being attacked etc a few years ago up there. Their scum must be even more stupid/intolerant as ours.

So you have seen one documentary a few years ago and this makes you an authority on the subject?

Donny5

Jaysoose wrote: »

So you have seen one documentary a few years ago and this makes you an authority on the subject?

In After Hours, it does.

ShooterSF

To be fair to the northerners, what in their history made you think they, in general, are the tolerant type? At least there open and consistent about it.

stovelid

Deleted User wrote: »

The group of about 20 families said they left their homes in the Lisburn Road area after suffering racist attacks for almost a week.

That means they could come down here?

Be careful. When they cross the border, they magically morph from innocent victims of human-rights abuse to durty swan-eating, roundabout-squatting bastids.

BaZmO*

Ray Uninterested Manure wrote: »

"Norm Iron?"

Is that the name of a mooted Cheers and Marvel comics crossover?

No it's what the guy from Cheers uses to hit a bolf gall

Gran Hermano

Nothing new with these attacks. We've had the Loyalists attack Catholic Irish, Polish, Chinese and even French people in the recent past.
I don't see it as a religous issue but more a class one.

Jaysoose

Donny5 wrote: »

In After Hours, it does.

Fair enough i suppose...this is the internet where opinions with no base = fact...

Back on track. IS the OP suggesting that racism is something we northies just invented?

Day toookkk errr jobbs!!

philologos

Racism is a problem every where, Northern Ireland is no different. For example, anti-Semitism is a growing problem in certain areas of Europe. Racist hate crime has been increasing in the UK in general over the last few years.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/02/17/anti.semitism/index.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/18/islam.religion

Racism in Russia:
http://www.rferl.org/content/Medvedev_Warns_Of_Rising_Racist_Attacks_In_Russia/1380434.html

Hungary and Czech Republic:
http://www.tol.cz/look/TOL/article.tpl?IdLanguage=1&IdPublication=4&NrIssue=325&NrSection=2&NrArticle=20639

I'm sure the list goes on and on.

the_dark_side

ok... the first issue is the word 'tolerant'

I have Romanian and Polish neighbours in my area...so I consider myself to be a very 'tolerant' person

getz

the_dark_side wrote: »

ok... the first issue is the word 'tolerant'

I have Romanian and Polish neighbours in my area...so I consider myself to be a very 'tolerant' person

local people are the last to know,look at kensika monshengwo,the training officer for the ncc on racism in ireland said,i have witnessed first hand the sneering authoritarianism,i also have to meet a coloured person who has not experienced racism in dublin ,as said in a earlier post its everyware

Tha Gopher

While I am in no way condoning this, I saw the BBC report. Romanians in the UK afaik need to go through a work permit scheme.

If I may throw the cat amongst the pigeons, and lets leave all the PC bits and pieces at the door PLEASE, these Romanians were Roma. Lets be honest, we have seen alot more making money on the street than we do in workplaces. Are they all working, on work permits? If not, why are they in Belfast and who is paying for the homes they lived in?

Again, not condoning, but it does remind me of the case of the gypsy girl shot dead in HSE accomadation in Dublin, which begged the question of why exactly she was living in a HSE building. It is questions like this that the mainstream parties refuse to tackle/ completely ignore that gets fcukheads like the BNP into office. If the UK/ Ireland is giving jobless EU citizens with no intention of working financial assistance in a time of recession it is a scandal tbh.

davyjose

Ironicest thread title of the year finalist.

asdasd

When they cross the border, they magically morph from innocent victims of human-rights abuse to durty swan-eating, roundabout-squatting bastids.

they come down here where they are safe in their houses. Of course there is opposition to immigration in Ireland, the EU elections show that opposition is widespread.

People are, however, safe in their houses.

Jaysoose

Donny5 wrote: »

In After Hours, it does.

asdasd wrote: »

they come down here where they are safe in their houses. Of course there is opposition to immigration in Ireland, the EU elections show that opposition is widespread.

People are, however, safe in their houses.

Ridiculous statement alert......

Tell that to my neighbour whos house was broken into the other week when they were in bed upstairs.

wes

Jakkass wrote: »

Racism is a problem every where, Northern Ireland is no different. For example, anti-Semitism is a growing problem in certain areas of Europe. Racist hate crime has been increasing in the UK in general over the last few years.

We all know racism exists in other places. Having said that, I dont' remember anyone being driven out of there homes here or in the rest of the UK. This is a pretty shocking level or racism and needs to be dealt with severely.

What goes on in Russia or other places has nothing to do with, what just happened up North. The whole "other people do it" too thing is meaningless, especially when everyone is aware that others do it as well. Wea are not talking about racism in Russia, bu something that just happened up North.

SEPT 23 1989

Gran Hermano wrote: »

Nothing new with these attacks. We've had the Loyalists attack Catholic Irish, Polish, Chinese and even French people in the recent past.
I don't see it as a religous issue but more a class one.

and sure Northern Catholics never burn Protestant families out of their homes:rolleyes:

PCros

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

and sure Northern Catholics never burn Protestant families out of their homes:rolleyes:

Where did he say they didn't? This thread is about Loyalists...hence why he was talking about them.

getz

PCros wrote: »

Where did he say they didn't? This thread is about Loyalists...hence why he was talking about them.

its not about loyalists, its about racism in northern ireland [south belfast ] both protestants and catholics were attacked by these youths.

Biggins

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

So we can have a whole thread attacking the Loyalist/Protestant population in Northern Ireland but we can say nothing about Irish Travellers

No, instead I say we have a whole thread talking about how uneducated bigoted morans are the dregs of society and how they should be re-educated and/or their off-spring shown that the vast majority in the rest of the world is moving onwards with a bit more kop on!

My name is URL

Just heard this on BBC Radio, it was the top story.

Regardless of who's carrying out these attack and regardless of who the targets are, it's fcuking disgusting and an embarrassment to all of Ireland

getz

also a polish man was found murdered in a house in newtownards west belfast to day ,police have arrested a polish man , lets blame it on the loyalists

gurramok

getz wrote: »

also a polish man was found murdered in a house in newtownards west belfast to day ,police have arrested a polish man , lets blame it on the loyalists

Why are you defending Loyalists?

smk89

Deleted User wrote: »

What is it with people up there; after decades of hating each other, they now have turned on immigrants!

Thanks for lumping me into the problem as well.
The power of over generalisation is strong with this one

mrs moneypenny

getz wrote: »

also a polish man was found murdered in a house in newtownards west belfast to day ,police have arrested a polish man , lets blame it on the loyalists

Newtownards is not in west belfast;)

I think it's more of a class thing rather than racism.

Morlar

getz wrote: »

also a polish man was found murdered in a house in newtownards west belfast to day ,police have arrested a polish man , lets blame it on the loyalists

Polish Loyalists ?? **** just got real . .

stovelid

This peace process lark better fail soon.

What on earth are we going to do if we don't have those crazy racist Northies to smugly differentiate ourselves against?

Orizio

My name is URL wrote: »

Just heard this on BBC Radio, it was the top story.

Regardless of who's carrying out these attack and regardless of who the targets are, it's fcuking disgusting and an embarrassment to all of Ireland Great Britain

Fixed.

Would this kind of thing not come under the 'ethnic cleansing' title or is that extreme, or something that has to be state-sponsored?

the_syco

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

So we can have a whole thread attacking the Loyalist/Protestant population in Northern Ireland but we can say nothing about Irish Travellers

Correction: Irish travellers, with Norm Iron regs...

asdasd

it's fcuking disgusting and an embarrassment to all of Ireland

Surely it is an embarrassment to all of the UK, if it is an embarrassment to "all" of anything.

Tell that to my neighbour whos house was broken into the other week when they were in bed upstairs.

We are not talking about common criminality FFS.

lisbon_lions

Quote:
Originally Posted by My name is URL View Post
Just heard this on BBC Radio, it was the top story.

Regardless of who's carrying out these attack and regardless of who the targets are, it's fcuking disgusting and an embarrassment to all of Ireland Great Britain the UK.

Fixed.

Would this kind of thing not come under the 'ethnic cleansing' title or is that extreme, or something that has to be state-sponsored?

Now its fixed. These scum target the most vulnerable in society. I say the next bonfire night, instead of putting tricolors at the top - they tie these pr!cks to the top instead.

big b

Who'd have thought an ex Eagles guitarist would sum it all up so well:

http://assets.fishpond.com.au/076731112022.jpg

nomorebadtown

are these people "ordinary" Romanian people or Roma?

wes

nomorebadtown wrote: »

are these people "ordinary" Romanian people or Roma?

Why the hell would it matter?!?

nomorebadtown

wes wrote: »

Why the hell would it matter?!?

because if its Roma people I wouldn't be quite as surprised.