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    #152
    pts
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    uprising wrote: »
    The dominant view among scientists is the recent African origin of modern humans.

    the dominant view isnt fact, its their view.........

    I'm still human, like my parents, whats next?

    Are you confusing fact ("objective and verifiable observation") with proof? How about the fact that it is observable that bacteria can develop resistance towards antibiotics? A fact doesn't prove a theory, but it can disprove it. The fact that bacteria develops resistance strengthens the theory of evolution as that kind of behaviour would be expected if that theory is true.


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    #153
    Smart Bug
    Registered Users Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭Smart Bug


    uprising wrote: »
    where is the human missing link, humans (homosapians) have always been humans, will we keep evolving, are we evolving right now?

    http://www.leftrade.com.au/gearstore/components/com_productbook/img_pictures/med_chain_link_sister_clip.jpg


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    #154
    lil'princess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9 ✭lil'princess


    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/05/090519-missing-link-found.html

    This fossil is said to be the most direct ancestor we have discovered to date.


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    #155
    ScumLord
    Registered Users Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    DTrotter wrote: »
    Want to buy a pure bred labradoodle?
    I've heard their 15% more absorbent than regular poodles, I'll take 4.


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    #156
    uprising
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭uprising


    pts wrote: »
    Are you confusing fact ("objective and verifiable observation") with proof? How about the fact that it is observable that bacteria can develop resistance towards antibiotics? A fact doesn't prove a theory, but it can disprove it. The fact that bacteria develops resistance strengthens the theory of evolution as that kind of behaviour would be expected if that theory is true.


    Ok so someday todays flu will walk with us, is this what your saying?


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    #157
    toiletduck
    Registered Users Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭toiletduck


    uprising wrote: »
    The dominant view among scientists is the recent African origin of modern humans.

    the dominant view isnt fact, its their view.........

    I'm still human, like my parents, whats next?

    Evolution doesn't have a "goal". Asking the above just highlights that you really don't understand the concept.


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    #158
    uprising
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭uprising


    lil'princess wrote: »
    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/05/090519-missing-link-found.html

    This fossil is said to be the most direct ancestor we have discovered to date.

    Is said, lots of things can be said, actually ANYTHING can be said.


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    #159
    DTrotter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭DTrotter


    lil'princess wrote: »
    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/05/090519-missing-link-found.html

    This fossil is said to be the most direct ancestor we have discovered to date.

    It's not the most direct ancestor to humans, it's a link to a distant common ancestor. Think of evolution as a tree (go to youtube and look for David Attenboroughs tree of life), our closest ancestor is a chimpanzee, we share a common ancestor and at some point in time it branched off and humans and chimpanzees became seperate species. Previously that ancestor would have shared a common ancestor with another primate (let's use a gorilla as an example), and that common ancestor would have shared a common ancestor with some monkey like creature and going backwards until the fossil in your link branched off. If you find it interesting I recommend The Ancestors Tale by Richard Dawkins.


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    #160
    DTrotter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭DTrotter


    ScumLord wrote: »
    I've heard their 15% more absorbent than regular poodles, I'll take 4.

    You're thinking of the labrashamwow.


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    #161
    DTrotter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭DTrotter


    uprising wrote: »
    Ok so someday todays flu will walk with us, is this what your saying?

    No, power walk.


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    #162
    Smart Bug
    Registered Users Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭Smart Bug


    uprising wrote: »
    What has been proven that over use of antibiotics has strenghtened viruses, has affected and altered our inbuilt immune system


    A virus is a pathogenic organism of a sub-cellular size that infects host cells and modifies their genetic structure.

    An antibiotic is a substance derived essentially from mold that is used to combat micro-organisms such as fungi, protozoa etc.

    Antiobiotics not only do not, but cannot affect a virus. Viruses are combatted by anti-viral drugs (HIV treatments etc) or vaccines.

    Viruses actively show evolution in practice (current flu virus strains etc ad infinitum)

    Seriously, if you haven't realised the above facts you have no place in this debate.


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    #163
    uprising
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭uprising


    toiletduck wrote: »
    Evolution doesn't have a "goal". Asking the above just highlights that you really don't understand the concept.


    Well please explain the concept, concept is an idea, early people had the idea if you sail out to sea you will fall off the side.

    So i dont understand somebodys idea, but is it fact?


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    #164
    lil'princess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9 ✭lil'princess


    uprising wrote: »
    Is said, lots of things can be said, actually ANYTHING can be said.

    Must you play semantics?

    I'm saying is said because I'm no scientist. But this is what a whole bunch of scientist came up have discovered, and considering they are experts in their field it would be wise to listen to them.


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    #165
    pts
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    uprising wrote: »
    Ok so someday todays flu will walk with us, is this what your saying?
    No, that isn't what I am saying, that fact that you are asking that makes me think that you either; don't understand the principles of evolution, don't want to understand evolution or that you're trolling.
    uprising wrote: »
    Is said, lots of things can be said, actually ANYTHING can be said.
    Yes, and you can choose to believe it or not. If you think that you know better than thousands of people that have spent most of their life studying something then that is fair enough (I'm not talking about that article, but evolution and science in general). You are probably wrong though.


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    #166
    toiletduck
    Registered Users Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭toiletduck


    uprising wrote: »
    So i dont understand somebodys idea, but is it fact?

    It has been observed. It fits with fossil remains we find. A whole heap of medicine is currently underpinned by it.


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    #167
    Twin-go
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    I do believe in Christianity, and I don't believe there is absolute proof for God. I do however believe that there are indications for it. I believe both go together.

    What are the indications?
    There are more indications for there not to be a God.


    Jakkass wrote: »
    Depends on what kind of faith you are discussing. If you are discussing blind faith perhaps it is just a hunch. However if you are dealing with what is or what is not more probable and give reasons for believing then that isn't blind faith is it?

    All Faith by its nature is blind. It has no logical proof.
    Jakkass wrote: »
    Beliefs aren't based on fact. If they were they wouldn't be beliefs they would be well, facts and they wouldn't be so contentious.

    Your getting into simantics here. Ok the fact is when you die there is no brain activity. You cease to exist. Where is your proof of the after life? Back to blind faith again.
    Jakkass wrote: »
    Ah right. So because you feel I amn't making the most of my life I amn't. What kind of reasoning is that? :D


    I think Christians are more free than atheists or agnostics. My views aren't based on popularity, I have the freedom not to be bound to the will of man, I don't have to be bound to social norms. I reject those who are tempting me into things that turn out to be a detriment.

    I'd far prefer to have a devotion to God than a devotion to the evils of this world.[/quote]

    Sorry, you follow a guy that walked the earth 2000 years ago claiming to be the Son of God. If somebody was to do that now the would be sectioned under the mental health act.

    Does the Church not have the Ten commandments? Rules you must follow? Written by a man, Moses, to ensure his people adhered to social norms. Restricting their free will to whorship who/what they wanted.

    Just because somebody is not devoted to God does not mean they are devoted to the Evils of the world.

    If it was proven to you that God did not exist would you suddenly become Evil? Is That what you are saying? You need him so you stay on the streight and narrow.

    Jakkass wrote: »
    So? I would rather my decisions be influenced by God than by humanity to be honest with you.

    The majorty of people no matter what there believes are, are good people.
    Do you not think humanity can look after itself?
    I think its sad you have no faith in humanity.
    Jakkass wrote: »
    Which church are you referring to? I've seen many Christians who truly want to live out their faith in honesty and integrity. Most of them in the younger age demographic.

    By the way what do you have for assessing what is Christ's church? Why is Christs church better than a church of man. Didn't you just say a minute ago that morals contrived by people should be more important than morals revealed to mankind by God?.

    I have seen many so called Christians that have not lived out their faith in honesty and integrity, but that is true of all walks of live. It's when the Church does its best the protect these evil people that live within its ranks I have a problem. Many crimes are commited in the name of religion, many people kill and have been killed in the name of religion (Northern Ireland, Middle East etc.). It's true that if there was no religion these people would find some other reason to fight. It may be easier for example if in the North there was no religion. The different communities may have inter-married by now and the divide be less apparent.
    Jakkass wrote: »
    Yes, China is an atheist country. The majority of people are atheists, therefore it should be considered with the rest of the countries you are considering. Let's be intellectually honest. By the way, communism and atheism are not mutually exclusive. It is possible to be a communist and an atheist, this is the way most communist states operated in the 20th century.


    We can all pick the best of the batch and ignore the worst.

    China is a Communist country not an Atheist Country. Poland was a Communist country but yet 90% of its Population were Roman Catholic. Communism and Ateism are absolutly mutually exclusive. I'm am Atheist but I'm am not Communist. Its also possible to be Democrat and Atheist, Socialist and Atheist. let's as you say be "intellectually honest"

    In many countries Religion causes oppression of minorities. Religions such as Islam and Christiam think Homosexuality is evil. In Islamic states women are treated like second class citizens.

    Athiesm does not oppress any group.





    Jakkass wrote: »
    Fair enough. I feel I am getting closer to the truth through my religion, and through other learning I would do. I don't believe religion and science are mutually exclusive either.

    Religion was created by Man when Man was incapable of understanding His world. As we become more capable of understanding the world around us we will come to realise the folly of following a so called God.


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    #168
    toiletduck
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    uprising wrote: »
    Well please explain the concept, concept is an idea, early people had the idea if you sail out to sea you will fall off the side.

    Check out the link to the BC&P thread in the first few posts of this thread. Read through it. It's a good start.


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    #169
    lil'princess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9 ✭lil'princess


    uprising wrote: »
    Well please explain the concept, concept is an idea, early people had the idea if you sail out to sea you will fall off the side.

    So i dont understand somebodys idea, but is it fact?

    The concept is that evolution is sexual success multiplied by time.


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    #170
    uprising
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭uprising


    Smart Bug wrote: »
    A virus is a pathogenic organism of a sub-cellular size that infects host cells and modifies their genetic structure.

    An antibiotic is a substance derived essentially from mold that is used to combat micro-organisms such as fungi, protozoa etc.

    Antiobiotics not only do not, but cannot affect a virus. Viruses are combatted by anti-viral drugs (HIV treatments etc) or vaccines.

    Viruses actively show evolution in practice (current flu virus strains etc ad infinitum)

    Seriously, if you haven't realised the above facts you have no place in this debate.


    I have no place in this debate?, what caused the so called superbug?

    http://factoidz.com/our-immune-systems-how-taking-too-many-antibiotics-has-hurt-us/


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    #171
    ScumLord
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    uprising wrote: »
    I have no place in this debate?, what caused the so called superbug?
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    Evolution! You must be trying very hard not to get this.


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    #172
    uprising
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭uprising


    toiletduck wrote: »
    It has been observed. It fits with fossil remains we find. A whole heap of medicine is currently underpinned by it.

    BUT IS IT FACT?


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    pts
    Registered Users Posts: 576 ✭✭✭pts


    Smart Bug points out that:
    Smart Bug wrote:
    Antiobiotics not only do not, but cannot affect a virus.

    you retort with:
    uprising wrote: »
    I have no place in this debate?, what caused the so called superbug?

    http://factoidz.com/our-immune-systems-how-taking-too-many-antibiotics-has-hurt-us/

    Do you read what you post? It actually says:
    Antibiotics should only be used against a bacteria and not a virus. The common cold, flu (influenza), earache and bronchitis are caused by a virus and not bacterial. Antibiotics do nothing against a virus.


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    #174
    uprising
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭uprising


    ScumLord wrote: »
    Evolution! You must be trying very hard not to get this.

    manmade evolution


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    #175
    4zn76tysfajdxp
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    Earthhorse wrote: »
    If we're descended from apes then how come we don't build our houses in trees? Can someone please just answer that question for me?

    WTF are you talking about, troll? I had a treehouse when I was a kid.


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    #176
    uprising
    Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭uprising


    pts wrote: »
    Smart Bug points out that:


    you retort with:


    Do you read what you post? It actually says:


    So why do doctors give antibiotics for the flu virus, it does nothing but strenghten it


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    #177
    toiletduck
    Registered Users Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭toiletduck


    uprising wrote: »
    BUT IS IT FACT?

    In layman terms, yes.


    Scientific terms are somewhat different and lead to the whole "It's just a theory!" comments by opponents. The differing uses of fact and theory are actually central to the underhanded creationist attacks on evolution.


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    #178
    keen
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    I picked Natural Selection etc.

    But I still don't understand what made it possible for natural selection to take place.


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    #179
    DTrotter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭DTrotter


    wrote: »
    If we're descended from apes then how come we don't build our houses in trees? Can someone please just answer that question for me?
    .

    Right enough, probably would have been better than some of the apartments that were thrown up.


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    #180
    DTrotter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭DTrotter


    keen wrote: »
    I picked Natural Selection etc.

    But I still don't understand what made it possible for natural selection to take place.

    Anything that puts pressure on species survival and if a species has a characteristic that helps it survive then it survives and passes the characteristic/trait to the next generation and so on. Mutations in genes can give species a survival advantage.
    Go to youtube and type Carl Sagan Samurai crab


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    #181
    Black Swan
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,220 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    The Flying Spaghetti Monster! (Pastafarian theory)


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