Irish Paper 2 honours

Black kettle

Absolutely loved it! My dream paper for irish paper two! didn't have any difficulty at all! What did everyone else think?

Chanandler Bong

didnt fully understand the an bhean og and da mbfheidir questions

if you dont mention the word such as chiaptha in the answer do they dock alot?

degausserxo

An Triail and Stair na Teanga were perfect! Only problem was that the only story we did on the first question was An Bhean Og, so I was a bit annoyed that I didn't get a choice. It's a hard one to call for me, though I think whatever chance of an A I had might be gone

degausserxo

Chanandler Bong wrote: »

didnt fully understand the an bhean og and da mbfheidir questions

if you dont mention the word such as chiaptha in the answer do they dock alot?

Ciap is annoyance, I think.. so as long as you have something in the answer with general negative connotations I'd reckon you'll be grand.

GA361

Lovely paper . . . . .
Got two pages for the Lig sin i gCathu question . . . .
The An Trial Qs were grand . . .
The first da mb'fheider q was a bit awkward , but apart from that the paper was grand:D
Hopefully a B1,or an A2 if the examiner is nice

snazzy

That paper was great....


If you've a head like an elephant.

I personally did not like, not because the paper was difficult. Generally it was a very fair paper.

I didn't like it due to fact that all my classmates and I were required to learn reams and reams of pages off on these poems and stories and when asked to change these summaries to suit the questions we couldn't!
That was for the pre.

This time around I know I didn't do enough preparation but I thought my own standard of Irish would carry me through.
It didn't really.
God bless the examiner for my paper! They'll have a job!
I learnt Jack off word for word but did it appear? Ohhhh nooooo
Gealt? Teacher told us not to bother so haven't looked at it since 5th yr! That was a joy to see as you can imagine!

Only thing I didn't attempt was Stair na Gaeilge because none of the 6 I had learnt came up!
Very disappointed


THIS SYSTEM NEEDS A SHAKE UP!

lilmissprincess

Everything but An Bhean Og was a dream, didn't quite understand the question but wrote about how she was lonely and her relationship was bad with her husband...etc.

Bananahammock

Stair na Gaeilge?!? wtf! :eek: i knew none of them ended up just goin through all the poets and just say 'scríobh sé/sí an dán ..... ' I hope I'll get pity marks...

Jello

Thought it was a really tough paper. Not one of the Stairs I looked over came up (I've never even heard of some of the ones that did come up), so I couldn't do any of it. All of my answers were quite short and I'm not sure if I actually answered the question in some of them. Also two of the poems my teacher kept going on about didn't come up either.

I'm not too worried though as I did crap in paper 2 in the mocks but still did well overall.

No more Irish, ever!

xOxSinéadxOx

I didn't really realise we had to so much in it! didn't do the stair na gaeilge. didn't understand the questions for the stories so I just wrote summaries, didn't understand a lot of the questions, the only thing I did really well was the an triail question, they were nice I could have done either, I did the one about single mothers. the pass poems I did quite well as well, the honours was a bit meh. I didn't even remember ever doing the second one so I had to answer the first one, the mathair one, and found it really tough.

what the hell did the questions mean for the stories though, anybody? I did the and bhean óg one and the second cearbhach one. didn't realise there was more marks for the first til I was finished opps

snazzy

Well I wrote about how her life was full of unhappiness.

Ciap comes from either annoyance or plaugue so her plagued mind = unhappy mind?

Piste

I didn't understand An Bhean Og so I did Lig Sinn I gCathu which I hadn't studied properly cos I was convinced it wouldn't come up Dont think my answer was too bad though.

I completely ran outta time at the end, only wrote 10-15 lines on An Rúraíocht and a few sentences on Filíocht na mBard Bang go my hopes of Irish making up for English

degausserxo

Piste wrote: »

I didn't understand An Bhean Og so I did Lig Sinn I gCathu which I hadn't studied properly cos I was convinced it wouldn't come up Dont think my answer was too bad though.

I completely ran outta time at the end, only wrote 10-15 lines on An Rúraíocht and a few sentences on Filíocht na mBard Bang go my hopes of Irish making up for English

Once you've 3 main points you'll be fine though, regardless of how much or little you wrote.

xOxSinéadxOx

you wrote 10-15 lines??? anyone I know who did it was like yeah I only wrote 3 lines for it. 10-15 is plenty!

I left an hour early, hhmm, did quite crap in it I'd say. don't really mind though cos I did great in paper 1 and the listening, oral wasn't too bad either

Piste

They were really points though, just a load of sentences..."An rúraíocht was written before Christianity came. It's about nobles. They spent their time inside. There were women soldiers. Oh yeah they were called the craobh rua. The most famous story is the Táin Bó Cuailgne. Some traits associated with the Rúraíochts are heroism, bravey and geasa" so not really in point form =/

--homeslice--

Was absolutely panicking this morning, crying in school but MY GOD was i happy when an cearrbhach and an bhean og were on that paper! gealt, ehhhhh.... cad?! thanks to our wonderful teacher we never actually did the poem, i had looked over it a few times but we were ensured it wouldn't come up, so you can imagine my delight when i saw it as the compulsary question... joy.. also ran out of time for the paper, so stair na gaeilge are definitely gonna lose me marks!

xOxSinéadxOx

better than my non attempt anyway. they'll definitely throw some marks your way!

arthistory

I think it went ok!! :rolleyes:did the lig sinn i gcathu and bealoidis. the stair was tough...is dinnseanchas the same as logaimneacha..hope it is cos i wrote nearly 2 pages on logainms in desparation!!!

also are the annala na gCeithre Maistri the same as the monk's annalas....you know annala thigearnaigh, annala riochta eire etc??

for foras na gaeilge i just wrote bord na gaelige notes and called it foras!! pretty sure they are the same thing anyway!!

lorna100

what did the first question on da mbeidir aris dar gcumann mean?

the bhean og question was something about her tormented mind, only found out after the exam.
Stair na gaeilge, didnt know any of what came up so made a stab at ruraiocht and the one about the irish organisations, made that one up - hopefully I'll get a few pity marks.

After paper one i thought i might be able to use it as points instead of english.. if i add up what i think i got, im at 81%, if I get the b1 it will just about do, please let the examiner be nice...

GA361

lorna100 wrote: »

what did the first question on da mbeidir aris dar gcumann mean?

the bhean og question was something about her tormented mind, only found out after the exam.
Stair na gaeilge, didnt know any of what came up so made a stab at ruraiocht and the one about the irish organisations, made that one up - hopefully I'll get a few pity marks.

After paper one i thought i might be able to use it as points instead of english.. if i add up what i think i got, im at 81%, if I get the b1 it will just about do, please let the examiner be nice...

The Q was about what the 'miricle' was and how twas intertwined with nature . . . . A fairly awkward Q IMO . . . .

arthistory

lorna100 wrote: »

what did the first question on da mbeidir aris dar gcumann mean?

the bhean og question was something about her tormented mind, only found out after the exam.
Stair na gaeilge, didnt know any of what came up so made a stab at ruraiocht and the one about the irish organisations, made that one up - hopefully I'll get a few pity marks.

After paper one i thought i might be able to use it as points instead of english.. if i add up what i think i got, im at 81%, if I get the b1 it will just about do, please let the examiner be nice...

something like describe the miracles that happened in poet's life and how its tied up with theme of nature

xOxSinéadxOx

anybody know what the second cearrbhach question meant? not the bealoideas one. All I recognised was cleasaíocht

lorna100

I thought it was something to do with how her life changed, and how it was tied in with nature.
Think my answer will still be ok..

mink_man

cleasaiocht is trickery!

GA361

lorna100 wrote: »

I thought it was something to do with how her life changed, and how it was tied in with nature.
Think my answer will still be ok..

Yeah it should be,the miracle was the change and she became openly able to grieve . . .

JW91

It was grand I thought. The questions on the stories and An Triail were simple. The poetry and stair I found to be tricky enough but I had absolutley no revision done for either of them so I can hardly complain. I managed to answer both of them reasonably okay tho. I'd imagine I'll get a B2 or B3.

Did someone say they ran out of time? How could you possibly run out of time on that paper? 3 Hours and 20 minutes! I was finished over an hour early and so were most of the others in my school.
There's way too much time layed out for that paper in my opinion

mink_man

its better to be too long than too short!

xOxSinéadxOx

mink_man wrote: »

cleasaiocht is trickery!

yeah that's the bit I said I recognised!

what did the whole question mean? I did write about how the cearbhach tricks bas but how bas gets him the end, hope that was the jist of what they wanted

LivingDeadGirl

An Bean Og: Hadn't a notion what chiaptha meant but saw aigne and went on and on about her intelligence, her irish, having to write complicated letters and succeeding, her worrying about the boy being a slow learner, her having no one to talk to(forgot to say uaigneas, ffs most obvious word), separated from her dude, her expects a lot from her, controls her, tension between them etc etc. Don't think I was on the point enough really.

An Cearrbhach: Think I answered this really well, had examples etc, it was class that you only had to do two traits as well.

An Triail: Did the single mothers question, grand really. Cohesion wasn't the best but I think it was fine over all.

Bimse Buan: Hadn't revised this AT ALL, but I knew even less about Faoiseamh a Gheobhadsa so Bimse it was... Think I did an alright job of the first question on athru, not great. Doubt I got any marks at all for the second question on meter as I completely made it up and said it had the meter of a song(yeah I know,wtf?) and said stuff about fuaimmeanna cealmhar, binn etc totally off the point.

Gealt: Hadn't revised this either *shakes fist at the department* Reckon my theme question was grand, but again not anything great.

An Mathair: Delighted this came up, so much simpler than Da mb'fheidir! Wasn't 100% sure what the first question meant but just discussed how the poet creates good images of them all, 2 of the woman, then the sons, nature, fhiannaiocht etc My other two questions were basically the same, I wrote an triur mac so many times it was ridiculous. Lovely repetative stuff for the examiner anyway. Over all a grand one.

Stair: Oh baby, they sure did save the best for last. WHAT a disaster! Nothing I had learned(an dan gra, bealoideas, fhiannaiocht, amhran) came up, and I knew virtually nothing about anything else. I chose Filiocht na mBard and Ruraiocht. I mean files learned in schools with no windows didnt they(yeah got mixed up with scoileanna na mBard)? And they had patroooons until the flight of the earls right? And ruraiocht were the laochscealta before fhiannaiocht right? And Oisin i dTir na nOg is an example(just put that in for the craic)? Vomit, ugh :rolleyes:


There's my B1/A2 gone anyway

internetaddict

snazzy wrote: »

That paper was great....



This time around I know I didn't do enough preparation but I thought my own standard of Irish would carry me through.
It didn't really.
God bless the examiner for my paper! They'll have a job!
I learnt Jack off word for word but did it appear? Ohhhh nooooo
Gealt? Teacher told us not to bother so haven't looked at it since 5th yr! That was a joy to see as you can imagine!

Only thing I didn't attempt was Stair na Gaeilge because none of the 6 I had learnt came up!
Very disappointed


THIS SYSTEM NEEDS A SHAKE UP!

Exact same for me.
Where did Gealt come from? And it was a bit cheeky putting ruraíocht on again..

hopeful_girl

ceist a haon-a pain.
couldnt understand the first three questions.

an cearrbhach was aright.

fairly good paper.

they were legend with the honours poems.

ahm.
does anyone know if you were supposed to write about an ruraiocht AND filiocht na mbard?

or just one?

i did the two in my state of confusion

xOxSinéadxOx

What's everyone's problem with gealt? I thought it was lovely! the poem is printed there and it's so easy to understand, the question was lovely. I did the teideal an dán and I was like it's a great teideal cos the poet poses a question
gealt? is he a gealt? is it the man in the pyjamas that is the gealt or is it all the other people? and then I did dramataíocht(sp?) as well. does that just mean dramatic or something? I hope so, but the poem is very dramatic! all in all gealt gets a thumbs up from me!

aine-maire

hopeful_girl wrote: »

ceist a haon-a pain.
couldnt understand the first three questions.

an cearrbhach was aright.

fairly good paper.

they were legend with the honours poems.

ahm.
does anyone know if you were supposed to write about an ruraiocht AND filiocht na mbard?

or just one?

i did the two in my state of confusion

Don't worry,it's two

Richyj_0

I think that paper was alright...I misquoted a few things in the An Triail question and messed up Stair na Gaeilge because I didnt learn any of it but the paper was quite fair overall. Hopefully a B overall...:)

cheesy-does-it

hey,

just checked the Stair na Gaeilge from last year..ITS THE EXACT SAME!! even the poets section.. every question the exact same..... CAN THEY DO THAT? i was really struggling at times today and really need my C3 to do teaching. if I end up getting a D1!! STEWARDS INQUIRY I SAY!!!

JW91

I agree with you Sinead about the Gealt.

It's the easiest poem on the course. We had gone over it a few times in class so I knew what it was about but even if I never saw it before I'd say I could have managed to translate it. Really simple irish in it like. It's not like Bimse Buan or some other crap poem with complicated language.

The question was very straight forwad on it aswel. I'd be hoping for nearly full marks on that question

Uaschamóg

everyone stop complaining about gealt and stair the gaeilge. if it was on the course you should have known it.

hopeful_girl

an gealt was awesome.

i hadnt seen it since the start of last year.

but really simple to draw your own ideas off of.

xOxSinéadxOx

I can understand people complaining about the stair if it was the exact same as last year but gealt! if you hadn't even done it in school you would have been able to answer the question, it's so easy!

cheesy-does-it

Uaschamóg wrote: »

everyone stop complaining about gealt and stair the gaeilge. if it was on the course you should have known it.

yeah but they've never repeated even one Stair na Gaeilge in consecutive years... but to ask the exact same ones....? cudnt believe it wen i checked back over it

QueenOfLeon

Yey, double papers are all over!

I thought it was grand, surprised that both an mhathair and da mbeidir were on, they're gunna have some fun next year trying to predict! And thank god Lig sinn wasnt a compulsary question, baahhh that story is so crappy

As for stair na gaeilge, ughh! The only thing i really knew was aislingi, which you had to do with another one, so i made up my own story about annala :cool: Then for tionchar na dteangacha iasachta i just wrote about irish being a celtic language, and how it has been oppressed by english. Should check if thats anywhere close...and i did a bit of an Ruraiocht, just in case my corrector cant count and adds the 3 together

Piste

LivingDeadGirl wrote: »

An Cearrbhach: Think I answered this really well, had examples etc, it was class that you only had to do two traits as well.

Oh no! Do you mean you only had to discuss two traits of bealoideas?!

EDIT: Oh crap I just looked at the papers and it does >.< I mentioned four how much am I likely to be penalised?

aine-maire

Piste wrote: »

Oh no! Do you mean you only had to discuss two traits of bealoideas?!

EDIT: Oh crap I just looked at the papers and it does >.< I mentioned four how much am I likely to be penalised?

Probably nothing,as long as two of them are in enough detail

Piste

Yeah two of them are pretty detailed, I only gave a few sentences to the other too, gonna looks like a right eejit though :rolleyes:

QueenOfLeon

cheesy-does-it wrote: »

hey,

just checked the Stair na Gaeilge from last year..ITS THE EXACT SAME!! even the poets section.. every question the exact same..... CAN THEY DO THAT? i was really struggling at times today and really need my C3 to do teaching. if I end up getting a D1!! STEWARDS INQUIRY I SAY!!!

Wow, they're the exact same :eek: So are the filiocht aimnithe, gealt, bimse and faoiseamh. And if anyone did A Thig Na Tit Orm, the question was more or less the same as last years aswel...saol na gaeltacht!

mikeyb09

I thought this was a horrible paper luckily i dont need irish for points or college! If i get a C3 il be happy

An wat does bealodís mean?

Claypigeon

mikeyb09 wrote: »

I thought this was a horrible paper luckily i dont need irish for points or college! If i get a C3 il be happy

An wat does bealodís mean?

Oral tradition

cheesy-does-it

Claypigeon wrote: »

Oral tradition

Folklore in other words....

aine-maire

Piste wrote: »

Yeah two of them are pretty detailed, I only gave a few sentences to the other too, gonna looks like a right eejit though :rolleyes:

Don't worry,my friend did that too...except she wrote about like 7 of them:pac:

ironclaw

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Irish has no place in our current school system. Its a language without use in our world and lets be honest, its useless. I'm proud to have done honours, proud to have done my best, proud to be Irish and proud to know some Irish but its time to stop flogging this dead horse. I was one of 7 from a year of almost 100 who did the honours paper. I was the last to leave the exam hall.

There is something wrong with the system and language as a whole when a) So few people do the subject b) So few from outside the Gaeltacht gets A's and c) People can leave a pass paper after 50 mins and get B's. Its daft.

Also, the Irish paper is the most unlevel playing field. Doesn't matter how much you know or what your learned, if one word in the question means nothing to you then your up that certain creek without a paddle. You should be given a paper with questions in English and write your answers in Irish. That eliminates Billy the Bogger from Connamara having one up on you for knowing more complex Irish.

Oh, and am I the one who thinks its unfair for the listening comprehensions to have English and Irish questions written side by side? (In the the European Languages)

Anyway, rant over,

Was a grand paper.

Piste

Why would it be unfair that forgein language comprehensions are in Irish and English?

Wow only 7 in your year do honours Irish? That's shocking. There are 3 honours classes and only 2 pass classes in my year.