im sickened

cruiser178

im sickened.My mate has just told me he is joining the british armynot because he whants to fight for the brits,but because the irish army are not recruting for another 4 years.this man would love to fight for his own.Hes only 22 and an amazing talent when it comes to irish tradidional music(he plays 14 different instruments,self taught)im a lot older then him and i think its terrible that this is what the young people of this country think they have to do to earn money.This is just my rant,what you lot think??

6th

Its hardly the first time this has happened, everytime this country has money problems you see the young men heading off to fight for other countries. I was only talked to about this the other day.... hi Stoner!

Borneo Fnctn

It's up to him and I hope he does well. You ever do any soldiering? I wouldn't have thought so.

PaulieD

cruiser178 wrote: »

im sickened.My mate has just told me he is joining the british armynot because he whants to fight for the brits,but because the irish army are not recruting for another 4 years.this man would love to fight for his own.Hes only 22 and an amazing talent when it comes to irish tradidional music(he plays 14 different instruments,self taught)im a lot older then him and i think its terrible that this is what the young people of this country think they have to do to earn money.This is just my rant,what you lot think??

If he wants to become cannon fodder for the British army thats his decision.

enniscorthy

defo a scandal mate should get a band together n do a few gigs what u think

starbelgrade

The Irish have a long & proud history of joining the British Army.. not recently mind you, but I suppose if yr militarily inclined, then I don't see any harm in it.

Overflow

Is he british, have a british parent or grandparent born before a certain date, is he from the north, i don't see how he can join without the above or if he became a UK citizen, maybe i'm wrong, i don't know the laws but i think it works kind of like that

PaulieD

Overflow wrote: »

Is he british, have a british parent or grandparent born before a certain date, is he from the north, i don't see how he can join without the above or if he became a UK citizen, maybe i'm wrong, i don't know the laws but i think it works kind of like that

The Brits are quite happy to accept cannon fodder from any country or ethnic background.

shenanigans1982

cruiser178 wrote: »

Hes only 22 and an amazing talent when it comes to irish tradidional music(he plays 14 different instruments,self taught)

Thats gonna go down like an english helicopter shot by american soldiers.

Overflow

I know that was true during WW2 but is it still that easy?

cruiser178

jackpalance wrote: »

It's up to him and I hope he does well. You ever do any soldiering? I wouldn't have thought so.

its not that,ive never been army orienated in my life,my line of work differs,but i just dont understand why such a tallent is willing to give up hes life for another country?????

.Bob

i know what your saying, ive a friend whos only 18 heading off next month, he also convinced a lot of other guys to go, more than half the guys i hang around with are going now. its going to be crap only seeing them only twice a year


@Overflow
all you have to do is send in an application, they'l pay for your transport to england and even give you a free hotel when your going up to belfast for your interview and medical.

they're desperate for new recruits..

minidazzler

OP, Do you think he is joining for the £16000 a year? Lol He is joining because he chooses to. And Good on him, I hope he gets in and has a great career.

O'TOOLE79

The neutral Irish eh? Lets get this EU Army together fast.

cruiser178

my point really is hes going to be used as front line and this is the only reason he is been accepted so why is he willing to waste his talent when all he wants to do is get off the dole???????

BoB_BoT

so the Irish Army won't take him as they're not recruiting, but if they were he'd still be joining the army. He'd be wasting his talent regardless, he's also putting his life at a higher risk with weapons training etc... Be it the English or Irish army, he's not exactly going to start a band and make use of his talent.

I know you're saying he just wants to get off the dole, but the army isn't the only answer...

Wacko

Overflow wrote: »

I know that was true during WW2 but is it still that easy?

It has always been like that lot's of people join, like Ian Malone or Robert McKibben........bad examples maybe. Thinking of going to try and get into Sandhurst myself, got as far as a medical in last years cadetship for the Irish Army and couldn't see the bloody numbers in the circles, completely gutted still would rather the British Army to the American now.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1054462/British-Army-enjoys-recruitment-boom-Irish-Republic-troops-leave-Northern-Ireland.html

cruiser178

minidazzler wrote: »

OP, Do you think he is joining for the £16000 a year? Lol He is joining because he chooses to. And Good on him, I hope he gets in and has a great career.

this is not an irish hate english thread,do you think im think im taking the piss

minidazzler

cruiser178 wrote: »

my point really is hes going to be used as front line and this is the only reason he is been accepted so why is he willing to waste his talent when all he wants to do is get off the dole???????

He IS Choosing to be Frontline.


In the British Army there are thousands of Jobs, some of those Jobs have as little Risk of Dying as a regular everyday Job.

If he goes to Infantry or some other front line unit, more power to him. It's his choice, noone will force him to be Infantry. If he want's to learn a trade he can do so if he joins a different regiment.

But the fact of the matter is, the British Army force NOBODY to be front line troops.

starbelgrade

O'TOOLE79 wrote: »

The neutral Irish eh? Lets get this EU Army together fast.

Now hang on - that's taking it a step too far. It's OK to join the Irish Army, coz, really - what harm is there in that.. it's not like they're actually gonna get into a fight & get hurt. More likely to get injured down the boozer or rolling a spliff on tour...

As for the desperate / bloodthirsty - let them join whatever army they like, but let's not make a big fuss over it by making it official.

Wacko

Look here you go
http://www.army.mod.uk/music/music.aspx
Very little risk of him dying there.

cruiser178

starbelgrade wrote: »

Now hang on - that's taking it a step too far. It's OK to join the Irish Army, coz, really - what harm is there in that.. it's not like they're actually gonna get into a fight & get hurt. More likely to get injured down the boozer or rolling a spliff on tour...

As for the desperate / bloodthirsty - let them join whatever army they like, but let's not make a big fuss over it by making it official.

completly agree:):):):)

BoB_BoT

Wacko wrote: »

Look here you go
http://www.army.mod.uk/music/music.aspx
Very little risk of him dying there.

hehe, still has to go through basic though :P

cruiser178

PaulieD wrote: »

If he wants to become cannon fodder for the British army thats his decision.

he thinks its hes only decision,thats what im annoyed about,irish army wont do anything for him

minidazzler

cruiser178 wrote: »

he thinks its hes only decision,thats what im annoyed about,irish army wont do anything for him

Is he a special case or something? They should take him just because he is willing to go to the British Army.

Hundreds if not thousands of men have been turned away from the Irish Army in the past for one reason or another and went to the British Armed Forces instead and have led some very distinguished careers.

Why should your mate NOT go?

starbelgrade

cruiser178 wrote: »

completly agree:):):):)

Yes, but who's gonna save us when we get invaded next time round? I'll get my blanket for camoflague & scald them with my hot milk.*

Oh, It's OK Veritas are gone.

Or was it Libertas? I keep confusing the two.



"Hot Milk... no recession in your house m'lord."


I'm off to bed.

cruiser178

minidazzler wrote: »

Is he a special case or something? They should take him just because he is willing to go to the British Army.

Hundreds if not thousands of men have been turned away from the Irish Army in the past for one reason or another and went to the British Armed Forces instead and have led some very distinguished careers.

Why should your mate NOT go?

my mates only fault is, the irish army are not recuiting

minidazzler

cruiser178 wrote: »

my mates only fault is, the irish army are not recuiting

No, but it's not their fault either.

The Fact of the matter is that your Mate is CHOOSING to go to the British Army, that's noones fault it's a choice. I agree wholeheartily with the choice. It's a great Career, one I hope to have as soon as I get my fitness back up.

But you are trying to blame the Irish Army for not recruiting which is ludicrious considering it's the Dept of Finance that is stopping them from recruiting for 2 years not 4.

There will likely be recruitment again in 2010.

Stop acting like it's the end of the world. This is likely a Very good thing for your mate.

Mr Benevolent

Fair play to him. He's showing initiative.

Captain-America

cruiser178 wrote: »

my mates only fault is, the irish army are not recuiting

How is that his fault?

You're missing the point OP. If he really wanted to fight for Ireland, he wouldn't be going over to Britain to fight for them. If he was really bothered by the fact that the Irish Army aren't recruiting, he wouldn't be going to Britain.
And furthermore, you seem to be the one with the problem, not him. It doesn't sound like he wants to be a patriot for Ireland, it sounds like he wants a job in the Defence Forces. Which is perfectly acceptable.

BostonB

cruiser178 wrote: »

im sickened.My mate has just told me he is joining the british armynot because he whants to fight for the brits,but because the irish army are not recruting for another 4 years.this man would love to fight for his own.Hes only 22 and an amazing talent when it comes to irish tradidional music(he plays 14 different instruments,self taught)im a lot older then him and i think its terrible that this is what the young people of this country think they have to do to earn money.This is just my rant,what you lot think??

You make no sense. People emigrate. Nothing new there.

We're not fighting anyone. So if you want that experience, you won't get it here anyway. Nothing new about that either. We've been fighting for other people all down through history.

cruiser178

Captain-America wrote: »

How is that his fault?

You're missing the point OP. If he really wanted to fight for Ireland, he wouldn't be going over to Britain to fight for them. If he was really bothered by the fact that the Irish Army aren't recruiting, he wouldn't be going to Britain.
And furthermore, you seem to be the one with the problem, not him. It doesn't sound like he wants to be a patriot for Ireland, it sounds like he wants a job in the Defence Forces. Which is perfectly acceptable.

maybe i dident explain myself properly,he wants to be in irish army but cant(not recuting for 4 years).I wish him the best of luck.......why you trying to be a smart arse CA??

cruiser178

BostonB wrote: »

You make no sense. People emigrate. Nothing new there.

We're not fighting anyone. So if you want that experience, you won't get it here anyway. Nothing new about that either. We've been fighting for other people all down through history.

wtf

Captain-America

I wasn't, I just misunderstood your position on it. No smart arsery intended.

BostonB

cruiser178 wrote: »

wtf

Thats helpful isn't it.

Do you think they should have unlimited numbers or something or that people have a right to a job? Regardless of the cost?

cruiser178

BostonB wrote: »

Thats helpful isn't it.

Do you think they should have unlimited numbers or something or that people have a right to a job? Regardless of the cost?

you've got a lot of voices in your head dont you,read everything ive said again...d.a

minidazzler

cruiser178 wrote: »

maybe i dident explain myself properly,he wants to be in irish army but cant(not recuting for 4 years).I wish him the best of luck.......why you trying to be a smart arse CA??

No, it's not 4 years the Recruitment embargo is the same one that is on the entire public sector, schedualed to last until the end of 2010. That's not 4 years is it.


No matter what he does, it's his choice. Noone will force him to go to the British Army. The way I see it, if he wants to do it then more power to him and I wish him the very best.

Captain-America

I just fail to see why the OP is so angry about his friend's choice. The fact of the matter is, if the Irish Army was so important to him, he wouldn't be joining the British Army.

Capt'n Midnight

cruiser178 wrote: »

im sickened.My mate has just told me he is joining the british armynot because he whants to fight for the brits,but because the irish army are not recruting for another 4 years.this man would love to fight for his own.

Hate to break this to you but he's not going to have much chance to fight for his own since we are a neutral country.

c-note

i say fair play to the lad...
friend of mine from college joined the RAF simply because he didnt see the point joining the irish air force. Some people shunned him for this decision.

i understand theres historical sensitivities as to why joining the british army may still be a shock/taboo thing to do. but i'm an optimist and think that in time thoose days will pass, and it will be a better world for everyone when they do.

as far as the cannon fodder argument goes, i cant say, as i dont know how the army operates. but i'm sure he's considered this, and i have admiration for anyone who is proactive in persuing a career in tough times. it's arguably more patriotic than joining the dole queues over here.

BostonB

cruiser178 wrote: »

you've got a lot of voices in your head dont you,read everything ive said again...d.a

If you've said something that answers my questions, quote it. Otherwise its just babble.

cruiser178

minidazzler wrote: »

No, it's not 4 years the Recruitment embargo is the same one that is on the entire public sector, schedualed to last until the end of 2010. That's not 4 years is it.


No matter what he does, it's his choice. Noone will force him to go to the British Army. The way I see it, if he wants to do it then more power to him and I wish him the very best.

if you were 22 and wanted to join the irish army,you would be told come back in 4 years....got few mates in the army

cruiser178

BostonB wrote: »

If you've said something that answers my questions, quote it. Otherwise its just babble.

read again ....d**b a**

Captain-America

Maybe keep it constructive and try and explain your point a bit further.

minidazzler

cruiser178 wrote: »

if you were 22 and wanted to join the irish army,you would be told come back in 4 years....got few mates in the army

Are you reading my Damn Posts? It's NOT 4 YEARS!!!! It's a year and a half now. So stop relying on the 4 years excuse for him not going.

Maybe he would have gone anyway even if the Irish Army were recruiting. But the fact of the matter is they are not.

You mate made a decision by himself and I hope he goes through with it and has a fantastic career, even if just to spite you.


Also, please start using Capitals, your posts offend my eyes.

cruiser178

minidazzler wrote: »

No, it's not 4 years the Recruitment embargo is the same one that is on the entire public sector, schedualed to last until the end of 2010. That's not 4 years is it.


No matter what he does, it's his choice. Noone will force him to go to the British Army. The way I see it, if he wants to do it then more power to him and I wish him the very best.

yes it is 4 years for new recuite,check it out

minidazzler

cruiser178 wrote: »

yes it is 4 years for new recuite,check it out

No, it's until the end of 2010. Check it out.
http://www.finance.gov.ie/documents/public%20expenditure/2009/stanletter.pdf

Snowie

I dont see a problem with granted you could be getting shot at but.. thats the risk you take...
I wouldnt join the army id go for the raf...

minidazzler

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

I dont see a problem with granted you could be getting shot at but.. thats the risk you take...
I wouldnt join the army id go for the raf...

Likelyness of becoming Pilot - 0

Likelyness of you craftily telling the ladies you are a fighter Pilot - Uncalculable.:D

Irish people can't join the RAF as Pilots. However the RAF Regt. are top class.

cruiser178

minidazzler wrote: »

Are you reading my Damn Posts? It's NOT 4 YEARS!!!! It's a year and a half now. So stop relying on the 4 years excuse for him not going.

Maybe he would have gone anyway even if the Irish Army were recruiting. But the fact of the matter is they are not.

You mate made a decision by himself and I hope he goes through with it and has a fantastic career, even if just to spite you.


Also, please start using Capitals, your posts offend my eyes.

its not year and half,its 4 years why you think my mate is f***ing off to england.In 4 years time he will be over 25 too old to join,and by the way f.y.e

RadioGaGa

Fair play to him. I wonder if recruit training is anything like Full Metal Jacket