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Rough Cost of Shipping 20ft Container from China to Dublin??

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    can anyone give me a ballpark figure on how much it would cost to ship a 40 foot container(24 tonnes of timber) from estonia to dublin


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    What sort of additional charges would be on smaller containers, are they the same at Dublin port, or are they calculated on weight.

    I,m considering importing a car lift from china, and I think its crated, and the dimensions are,

    Shipping Dimensions: 2900mm*970mm*450mm
    Weight: 620kg (plus any packaging weight) .

    I have been quoted $150 shipped to Dublin by the Chinese manufacturer.

    I have read a lot of threads lately about importing from China. It sounds like a complete nightmare waiting to happen, for the uninitiated, me:D

    So any advice on the best practices would be warmly welcomed. thanks

    kadman


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 794 ✭✭✭RUDOLF289


    kadman wrote: »
    What sort of additional charges would be on smaller containers, are they the same at Dublin port, or are they calculated on weight.

    I,m considering importing a car lift from china, and I think its crated, and the dimensions are,

    Shipping Dimensions: 2900mm*970mm*450mm
    Weight: 620kg (plus any packaging weight) .

    I have been quoted $150 shipped to Dublin by the Chinese manufacturer.

    I have read a lot of threads lately about importing from China. It sounds like a complete nightmare waiting to happen, for the uninitiated, me:D

    So any advice on the best practices would be warmly welcomed. thanks

    kadman

    Hello Kadman,

    I would strongly recommend you check out rates for this shipment from Irish Freight Forwarders. You would need to tell them the point of origin in China. I take it your current supplier is offering C&F Dublin ? Ask him for an FOB (Chinese port of shipment) price.

    If the supplier insists on arranging the shipping, ask him for the details of the agent in Dublin that will receive the goods. Ring them and ask them for the arrival charges for your shipment. They will be able to tell you what THEIR (!) charges will be, but they can not tell you what the Chinese agent will ask them to collect as a China Import Service Fee (search that term on Boards.ie for some horror stories - I mean Halloween is nearly upon us, but these would really scare you). Reason is the Chinese agent will only tell them AFTER your shipment has left and at that stage your committed.

    This is what your local charges should be on the basis of the details you advised above and if you organised the shipping from this end;

    Agency € 60.00
    Depot Handling/LCL Unpacking € 55.00
    Customs Clearance € 55.00

    If you can tell me where the shipment in China is coming from I could give you a shipping cost aswell.

    Cheers,
    Rudolf289


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    RUDOLF289 wrote: »
    Hello Kadman,

    I would strongly recommend you check out rates for this shipment from Irish Freight Forwarders. You would need to tell them the point of origin in China. I take it your current supplier is offering C&F Dublin ? Ask him for an FOB (Chinese port of shipment) price.

    If the supplier insists on arranging the shipping, ask him for the details of the agent in Dublin that will receive the goods. Ring them and ask them for the arrival charges for your shipment. They will be able to tell you what THEIR (!) charges will be, but they can not tell you what the Chinese agent will ask them to collect as a China Import Service Fee (search that term on Boards.ie for some horror stories - I mean Halloween is nearly upon us, but these would really scare you). Reason is the Chinese agent will only tell them AFTER your shipment has left and at that stage your committed.

    This is what your local charges should be on the basis of the details you advised above and if you organised the shipping from this end;

    Agency € 60.00
    Depot Handling/LCL Unpacking € 55.00
    Customs Clearance € 55.00

    If you can tell me where the shipment in China is coming from I could give you a shipping cost aswell.

    Cheers,
    Rudolf289

    Hi Rudolf289, thanks for the speedy headsup.

    The shipment is coming from , Qingdao Desiree Automobile Inspection Device Co.,Ltd.

    I will contact them for an FOB price , to see if that is what I have been given.

    Any irish freight forwarders you could reccomend, this is all very new to me.

    kadman


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 794 ✭✭✭RUDOLF289


    kadman wrote: »
    Hi Rudolf289, thanks for the speedy headsup.

    The shipment is coming from , Qingdao Desiree Automobile Inspection Device Co.,Ltd.

    I will contact them for an FOB price , to see if that is what I have been given.

    Any irish freight forwarders you could reccomend, this is all very new to me.

    kadman

    Hello Kadman,

    Sent you a PM

    Cheers,
    Rudolf289


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    I am trying all morning to prize the agents details in Ireland for this shipment, in order to ascertain any further charges this end.

    Its like pulling teeth:D................and they aint budging.

    Looks like RUDOLPH289 is 100% correct. I have sent a total of 6 e mails so far, and each reply has done everything to avoid parting with the info.

    But I,ll keep going just for the hell of it:D

    kadman


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,790 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    kadman wrote: »
    I am trying all morning to prize the agents details in Ireland for this shipment, in order to ascertain any further charges this end.

    Its like pulling teeth:D................and they aint budging.

    Looks like RUDOLPH289 is 100% correct. I have sent a total of 6 e mails so far, and each reply has done everything to avoid parting with the info.

    But I,ll keep going just for the hell of it:D

    kadman

    Tbh - give it up.

    I have personal experience of bringing 2 x 40ft containers from China - nightmare, and a complete waste of time.

    For a lift, I'd rather pay more, to someone else, for a 'right' one. Our last one came from Italy (via dealer here). Simple, efficient, and the quality is infinately better.

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Tbh - give it up.

    I have personal experience of bringing 2 x 40ft containers from China - nightmare, and a complete waste of time.

    For a lift, I'd rather pay more, to someone else, for a 'right' one. Our last one came from Italy (via dealer here). Simple, efficient, and the quality is infinately better.

    I think I have it sorted through an Irish Freight Forwarder, so the shipping and rates will be confirmed, and no nightmare scenarios for me:)

    kadman


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,692 ✭✭✭Jarren


    Apologies for bumping the old thread


    Last few weeks I spend getting a quotes on 20ft container from Ningbo China to Dublin.
    The best quote I got so far is


    1x20’ contr Ocean freight from Ningbo to Dublin EUR 1617.00
    Shipping line Terminal handling charge EUR 120.00
    Shipping line ISPS fee EUR 10.00
    Shipping line Equipment handover fee EUR 53.00
    Shipping line Bill of lading fee EUR 50.00
    Delivery to Dublin address EUR 210.00 + vat (includes two hours freetime for unloading)
    Customs clearance EUR 55.00 (up to 5 tariff headings)


    I was quoted already over 2000 Euros only on the Freight and was wondering if this is normal ongoing rate those days .

    Cheers

    Jarren


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 794 ✭✭✭RUDOLF289


    Jarren wrote: »
    Apologies for bumping the old thread


    Last few weeks I spend getting a quotes on 20ft container from Ningbo China to Dublin.
    The best quote I got so far is


    1x20’ contr Ocean freight from Ningbo to Dublin EUR 1617.00
    Shipping line Terminal handling charge EUR 120.00
    Shipping line ISPS fee EUR 10.00
    Shipping line Equipment handover fee EUR 53.00
    Shipping line Bill of lading fee EUR 50.00
    Delivery to Dublin address EUR 210.00 + vat (includes two hours freetime for unloading)
    Customs clearance EUR 55.00 (up to 5 tariff headings)


    I was quoted already over 2000 Euros only on the Freight and was wondering if this is normal ongoing rate those days .

    Cheers

    Jarren

    Hello Jarren,

    It should be possible to achieve the rate you advise above (€ 1617.00) in Us$ with the arrival / delivery costs and clearance costs in line with what you have. That would be aprox 25% lower than what you are currently looking at. One caveat, the shipping lines are pushing for a peak season surcharge of Us$ 350.00 per 20' container / Us$ 700 per 40' container, but that is subject to confirmation later this week. Not sure if the lines will be able to implement that surcharge, and if so, to the level proposed.

    One other aspect that may be of interest. If you are a VAT registered trader, you can structure your imports in such a way that instead of paying the VAT (23% over the cost of the product plus freight plus duty) on arrival, you can defer them to your VAT return. Assuming that the goods you import are indeed for your business, you would be able to re-claim the VAT paid on imports. Since in this case the VAT is deferred to your periodic VAT return you accrue a liability and at the same time claim the deductible. The result is an improvement in your cash flow.

    Hope this helps in your quest to establish the best possible rate.

    Cheers,
    Rudolf289


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,692 ✭✭✭Jarren


    Thanks Rudolph,your input is much appreciated on this matter .


  • Registered Users Posts: 1 UnRealMadrid


    Hey... Sorry for posting this on an old thread..

    Just looking for some guidance as this is my first time buying and shipping anything on this scale, basically I received a quote of $1600 from a supplier in Dezhou City, Shandong province.

    This quote is for a 20 ft container with items weighing around 1100kg delivered to Dublin Port.

    Does this sound right, or is it a bit much?

    Also how do the customs determine how much Import Tax/VAT to pay?

    Any help is much appreciated...

    Thanks


  • Registered Users Posts: 1 mackermac


    RUDOLF289 wrote: »
    Hello Blobert,

    I am a freight forwarder and can answer your questions as follows ;

    1) Oceanfreight. Depending on the port(s) you intend to ship from, freight cost for a 20'
    container is as follows ;

    Shanghai or Dalian or Qingdao or Ningbo Tjianjin or Xingang or Shenzhen - Dublin
    = Us$ 800.00
    Hong Kong would us$ 50.00 less.
    These rates are inclusive of fuel surcharge (BAF) and Currency adjustment factor
    (CAF) and would be valid untill 30JUN09. Currently lines in the Far East to Europe
    Trade are indicating increases of between Us$ 300 and Us$ 400 per container. They
    are unlikely to get the full amount of the proposed increases but since rates are
    rock bottom, they are likely to get some class of an increase. Lines are also
    indicating they intend to implement a peak season surcharge from 01AUG09.

    2) Local charges on arrival in Ireland

    THC = Euro 130
    ISPS = Euro 14.00
    Agency fee = Euro 68
    Delivery to Dublin City / County Euro 200
    Customs Clearance Euro 55.00
    On average you have 5 days after arrival in Ireland to clear the shipment and take
    delivery of the shipment before the lines start charging storage and quay rent.

    3) The maximum permitted weight in a container is roughly 26 tonnes. From aprox 21
    tonnes weight the lines are likely to levy a surcharge. It various from shipping line to
    shipping line.

    Please see attach a document which gives some guidance on imports and exports.

    Hello Dabko,

    can you please specify the port you intend to ship from and I will see what the fastest options are.

    Hello Onedmc

    You obviously have had some bad experience(s). Drop me a PM with details of where you are buying from and I will issue a fixed quote with full transparency.

    Hello Mickk

    If you drop me a PM with the details of your shipment(s) I would be happy to give you a second opinion.

    Hello Darc,

    If you are paying that type of money, you either haven't shipped for a while or there may be another reason why you are being charged that much. If you drop me a PM, with details I would be happy to review it for you and get you a comparison.

    If anybody has any questions in relation to shipping or customs I would be happy to offer advice.

    Hi there,

    Can you give me a price for FOB 20ft from Ningbo to Cork and then 45 miles to location inclusive of all charges excluding vat/duty. I need the container by end of august. Its non hazardous and will be ready by end of this week beginning of next.

    Regards

    Ger


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 794 ✭✭✭RUDOLF289


    Hello Mackermac,

    Have sent you a PM

    Cheers,
    Rudolf289


  • Registered Users Posts: 1 gt spud


    I know this is an old post but just seeing if u can help im looking to get some car parts from japan the likes of a bumper seats front an back an a set of clocks an side skirts who would be the best for this an best price..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 794 ✭✭✭RUDOLF289


    gt spud wrote: »
    I know this is an old post but just seeing if u can help im looking to get some car parts from japan the likes of a bumper seats front an back an a set of clocks an side skirts who would be the best for this an best price..

    Hello gt spud,

    If you send me a PM with the following information, I will be happy to source rates / service for you.

    1) Terms of shipment (e.g. Ex Work or Free On Board - FOB)
    2) Port of shipment in Japan
    3) Place of delivery in Ireland
    4) Packed dimenisons, e.g. Length x Width x Height per piece
    5) Packed / Gross weight.

    Cheers,
    Rudolf289


  • Registered Users Posts: 1 AaronMcDrew


    Hi guys,

    Just want to say thanks to boards and all you especially Rudolf,

    First time sending a big shipment from China and nearly got charged over a 1000$ mark up on charges

    from 273 to 1285 so lucky I found this thread.
    the OF was 368 compared to 400

    Cheers


  • Registered Users Posts: 1 nem12tom


    Hi Guys,

    I am looking for a FLC from China to Ireland (to Galway).
    How and where should I start?
    Which companies are the best to get quotations (with no hidden costs later on)?
    If I buy from different Companies in Chine (with FOB parity) how my Container will be filled and how I could arrange this? Should I contact the manufacturers to ship everything in a certain time period or there is a certain storage space somewhere?

    Thanks for the advices in advance. This is the first time when I use Container shipping.

    Thx
    Tom


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 794 ✭✭✭RUDOLF289


    nem12tom wrote: »
    Hi Guys,

    I am looking for a FLC from China to Ireland (to Galway).
    How and where should I start?
    Which companies are the best to get quotations (with no hidden costs later on)?
    If I buy from different Companies in Chine (with FOB parity) how my Container will be filled and how I could arrange this? Should I contact the manufacturers to ship everything in a certain time period or there is a certain storage space somewhere?

    Thanks for the advices in advance. This is the first time when I use Container shipping.

    Thx
    Tom

    Hello Tom,

    In order to asses what would be the best possible solution, this is the information required ;

    1. Details of the suppliers, e.g. location
    2. Per supplier nr of cartons, weights and dimensions
    3. Commodities
    4. Values
    5. Cargo ready date

    It really depends on the location of your suppliers v.v. the nearest shipping port and when each shipment would be ready. It would be possible to combine freight in the Ningbo area with freight in the Shanghai area. However, if one supplier is based in Qingdao and another in Shenzhen, trying to combine that freight would be very expensive as inland transportation in China is heavily regulated.

    If you send me a PM with the above details I will be able to assist you in getting rates for you.

    Cheers,
    Rudolf289


  • Registered Users Posts: 1 engineer_nat


    hello
    i am interested to buy three tonn of used shoes from china and wondering if someone would like to ship something from china to dublin we can bring it both together in one containter
    20ft
    my stuffs will takes space of 12 meter cupic while the 20ft container have space around meter cupic so u got a space of 22 meter cupic
    so we can share the shpment together
    and would like to know
    i should visit the avenu for tax before i recive the shipment here in ireland or after i got the stuffs
    guys its my first try for me
    so little bit zero experience of this of whole stuffs


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  • Registered Users Posts: 17 Clonjess


    RUDOLF289 wrote: »
    Hello Mackermac,

    Have sent you a PM

    Cheers,
    Rudolf289

    Hi Rudolf289,
    Old thread i know but I'm moving back from China and would love any details you could give me on container charges or point me in the right direction on this!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1 Seany Cee


    darc wrote: »
    Currently you are looking at about €2,300 for a 40ft from port in china delivered to address in leinster.

    For a 20ft I'd guess it would come in about €1800 - €2,000.

    If what you have coming in is less than a 20ft container, try a part load - I have 6 pallets coming in fron guangzhou and the freight is $450 + local delivery & customs charges - probably €600 in total.


    About 2 years ago, all above costs would have been almost double!! - Recessions can have some positives!

    Can you give the name of the shipping company you used ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 794 ✭✭✭RUDOLF289


    Seany Cee wrote: »
    Can you give the name of the shipping company you used ?

    I have sent you a PM.

    Cheers,
    Rudolf289


  • Registered Users Posts: 3 Topetake


    Has anyone got up to date rough cost of getting a full load container 20 ft or 40ft from China to Dublin please.

    I know costs have gone up since the last post on this thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    Topetake wrote: »
    Has anyone got up to date rough cost of getting a full load container 20 ft or 40ft from China to Dublin please.

    I know costs have gone up since the last post on this thread.

    Got quoted €8,500 for a 40ft from China about 3 weeks ago. This time last year it was €2,500.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3 Topetake


    Scotty # wrote: »
    Got quoted €8,500 for a 40ft from China about 3 weeks ago. This time last year it was €2,500.

    Hi Scotty

    Thanks for that I know they have gone up but that is a crazy amount. Was that including your port fees insurance ect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    Topetake wrote: »
    Hi Scotty

    Thanks for that I know they have gone up but that is a crazy amount. Was that including your port fees insurance ect.
    Yea that's including fees.

    In the UK they are being quoted upto €13,000 as there is a surcharge being charged due to holdups in the English Channel.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/dec/09/cost-shipping-goods-uk-covid-pandemic


  • Registered Users Posts: 3 Topetake


    Scotty # wrote: »
    Yea that's including fees.

    In the UK they are being quoted upto €13,000 as there is a surcharge being charged due to holdups in the English Channel.


    I actually just got onto MSC here in Dublin and was quote roughly €8900 for a 40ft.

    Thats crazy prices both here and especially in the UK


  • Registered Users Posts: 8 Fran_AZNEU


    Check this one out, https://ship.freightos.com/ Consider that other charges may be involved like VAT, tariffs, etc

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭FaaF


    I see Freighos are quoting $12,527 for a 40ft from Nantong to Cork right now. This compares to $14,583 for shipping to Belfast.

    It's ridiculous that it's approaching 10 times the cost prior to the current crisis. I'm starting to see prices feed through to Amazon pricing and am seeing quite a few reviews where consumers, not realizing the issues faced by retailers, are complaining about retailers of fitness equipment price gouging and taking advantage of the current crisis.

    Unfortunately, for a lot of businesses, they're going to either remain out of stock until some unknown date in the future where prices normalize - or they're going to have a tough time explaining to customers the real reason behind the significant price increase.

    On another note, do any freight forwarders here know whether it's an option to ship to Cork/Dublin for a Northern Ireland based business and transport by road across the border? Presumably, there are some additional requirements in relation to VAT and import duty.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭silver2020


    These freight prices (and its worldwide, not just UK & Ireland) are going to feed into retail prices very quickly. Already I'm seeing packaging companies here and UK implement large across the board price increases. Zeus, one of the largest packaging supply companies in Europe and based in Rathcoole have put a 12.75% across the board price increase. A UK company we deal with has an 18% increase and this is just the start.

    Any bulky items (think toys, bulky household goods & furniture in particular) will see fairly dramatic price increases this year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,665 ✭✭✭traco


    I was quoted USD12k from China to Dublin yesterday for a standard 40ft. Proce expected to fall after Chinese New Year but will remain expensive compare to prices 6+ months back.

    I've also heard that some services have been moved from European routes to serve China - US. Higher demands, shorted trans pacific transit time and better prices are all a factor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭FaaF


    I see they've rose further again. Crazy, crazy stuff.

    We're well beyond the point where retailers can absorb the costs via reduced margins. The cost of imported goods are about to go mental.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 794 ✭✭✭RUDOLF289


    To all suffering importers. Container shipping prices are beginning to soften. It is too early to tell if this trend will continue as we are now approaching Chinese New Year. However, we are well inside Us$ 9500 per 40' and about half that for 20' containers. In certain cases we achieve better rates than that

    The challenge is still that there is a large shortage of equipment in China. That creates significant upward price pressures. It is too simplistic to blame it all on greedy shipping lines. They do face higher operating costs as a result of containers not coming back to the Far East quick enough in significant numbers. What certainly does not help is that for instance there are currently over 30 (very large) container ships waiting to dock at Los Angeles/Long Beach. Some are there nearly two weeks. Also, the UK is still a no go area due to significant port congestion in Felixstowe and Southampton.

    Looking at all the indicators it is likely to be well into the 2nd quarter before we will see any significant improvement. In the meantime keep checking the market, speak to Irish based forwarders and there may be opportunities to safe some money.

    For instance, shipping lines will offer discounts for using Non Operating Refrigerated containers (socalled NOR's). Granted the cubic capacity is a little less than ordinary equipment, but if you don't have a full, full container it may be worth considering. It handles the same as a normal container, but not all cargoes are suitable/acceptable to the line. Difference could be Us$ 500 to Us$ 700 per container.

    Hopefully this is some food for thought and an indication that there is light at the end of the tunnel.

    Cheers,
    Rudolf289


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭silver2020


    I'll just say that RUDOLF289 is a very good shipping agent - he's been around many years and will tell it to you straight and knows how to circumvent issues that arise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭FaaF


    Fingers crossed that the coming few weeks will paint a rosier picture. There's not much movement just yet on freighos quotes - though I imagine freightos rates may be slower to come down versus using a forwarder.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 794 ✭✭✭RUDOLF289


    FaaF wrote: »
    Fingers crossed that the coming few weeks will paint a rosier picture. There's not much movement just yet on freighos quotes - though I imagine freightos rates may be slower to come down versus using a forwarder.

    We are seeing some movements on rates from certain ports down to around Us$ 6500 per 40' container to Dublin and Cork. But it is very challenging to secures space and equipment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭FaaF


    RUDOLF289 wrote: »
    We are seeing some movements on rates from certain ports down to around Us$ 6500 per 40' container to Dublin and Cork. But it is very challenging to secures space and equipment.

    Here's hoping the trend continues. I've set up a new business and my first shipment is expected next month. Between two shipments being manufactured, I'll be expecting four 20ft and one 40ft containers (my business is primarily heavy weight stuff, hence the 20ft versus 40ft).

    I've sent you an email so would be grateful if you could get back to me when you get a chance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭FaaF


    So do we think this Suez Canal problem is going to have any major impact on shipping rates?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 794 ✭✭✭RUDOLF289


    FaaF wrote: »
    So do we think this Suez Canal problem is going to have any major impact on shipping rates?

    I reckon it depends on how quickly this gets solved. If they can get the vessel moving quickly, like in the next couple of days, then probably not.

    However, if, as some commentators are suggesting, this could take several weeks, yes, freight rates will shoot up. It takes at least 7 to 10 days longer to go around South Africa. Fuel prices will go up, so we will see significant increases on top of current already inflated prices.

    Cheers,
    Rudolf289


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 794 ✭✭✭RUDOLF289


    Good morning, latest information according to the CEO of Boskalis (Dutch salvage operators) is that it will likely take days possibly weeks to refloat the Ever Given, stuck in the Suez Canal.
    In the middle of the canal the dept is 25 meters, coming up to 15 meters upto 11 meters, probably higher again at the edge of the canal. The vessel's dept is 15.7 meters. Not only has the stern wedged itself into the canal bank, it has also hit the bottom on either side of the canal. A team of 10 salvage experts arrived this morning around 04.00 and are on board to asses the situation.
    They are checking how much ballast and oil is in the ship. They will need to pump this out in an effort to refloat the vessel. They also may have to take containers off. Once the assessment is completed they will need to bring in equipment, which as the Boskalis CEO Peter Berdowski explained is "not around the corner"
    This is not going to resolve itself quickly in my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 794 ✭✭✭RUDOLF289


    Darc19 wrote: »

    Boskalis CEO hopes to release Suez ship early next week
    YESTERDAY, 10:36 PM

    Boskalis CEO Peter Berdowski hopes early next week to succeed in getting the stranded ship in the Suez Canal free. But whether that succeeds depends on a number of factors, he says in Nieuwsuur.

    According to Berdowski, there are now two heavy tugs underway, along with a bollard pull of about 400 tons. Those 'tough guys' arrive this weekend.

    Berdowski thinks that a combination of factors could be beneficial for the release of the ship. Next week there will be a few days with high tide. According to the CEO, that saves about forty to fifty centimeters in water level.

    "The combination with the ships that we have then, with the soil that we have already been able to dredge away and the high tide, will hopefully be enough to release the ship sometime early next week."

    Plan B
    If that doesn't work, Berdowski has another plan B. "At the same time, we are already installing a crane that is on land. This will enable us to remove any containers from the foredeck. This could involve hundreds of containers. which makes the ship a lot lighter at the front. "This raises the ship slightly, making it even easier to pry it loose.

    The disadvantage of this plan B is that it is slower, because the hundreds of containers cannot be hoisted off the ship just like that. "You also have to get rid of those six hundred containers," says Berdowski. "It is just desert right next to the ship. So the disposal of those containers will be a puzzle."

    The CEO hopes that it will not come to that. Berdowski: "We play chess on two boards. Hopefully we will succeed purely with the pulling power, the high tide and the dredging to get the ship loose."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭FaaF


    Not out of the woods yet, but some very good news this morning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 794 ✭✭✭RUDOLF289


    FaaF wrote: »
    Not out of the woods yet, but some very good news this morning.

    As we have seen on the news, the Ever Given has been refloated. With 350+ ships in the queue it will be a number of days (possibly upto 7 days) before the backlog is cleared.
    Then the challenge will move to the European ports. Due to the delays in Suez they will have had an opportunity to reduce the pressure they have been under due to increased demand and Covid.
    With a lot of vessels now arriving all at the same time congestion levels will go through the roof.
    Unclear what the impact will be, but expect significant further delays. There will also be an impact on exports from Europe and shortage of equipment in the Far East will continue unabated.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 794 ✭✭✭RUDOLF289


    RUDOLF289 wrote: »
    As we have seen on the news, the Ever Given has been refloated. With 350+ ships in the queue it will be a number of days (possibly upto 7 days) before the backlog is cleared.
    Then the challenge will move to the European ports. Due to the delays in Suez they will have had an opportunity to reduce the pressure they have been under due to increased demand and Covid.
    With a lot of vessels now arriving all at the same time congestion levels will go through the roof.
    Unclear what the impact will be, but expect significant further delays. There will also be an impact on exports from Europe and shortage of equipment in the Far East will continue unabated.

    Subject: CMA notice to customers - booking delays / booking stops / Suez Canal

    Hi all,

    Further to our recent – just to remind you that booking turntimes are been delayed.
    As we know, most feeders / terminals / ocean vessels are full , this along with shortage of equipment and booking stops for some destinations
    has resulted in more and more checks to be carried out before we can confirm a booking.
    So please allow min 2 working days for conformation of bookings.

    Full ocean vessels ;
    In general we are full to most areas , so we may offer you a vessel in 2/3 weeks time , it is up to you to decide if you want to load early , but
    Be aware that you may run into export storage charges.

    Also is some cases we have a booking STOP / control for month of April i.e. ;
    West Africa / Canada / Mexico and most of USA ( small space available to Charleston / Miami / Houston / New Orleans on our Victory service )
    Suez Canal – with Ever Given moved – we hope to see vessel moving through it again in next day or 2 ,
    However we are faced with a major backlog from this delay – all the vessel stuck there will starting arriving Europe at the same time,
    To terminal which are already congested and not enough feeder space to take all this cargo in the same week.
    So there WILL be delays on import cargo and this will have a knock on effect on exports to Asia / Middle East / India Sub Continent


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    Just been advised by my freight company that FEWB (Far East Westbound) rate for a 40ft in July is...... are you sitting down..... $20,000. We're going to see some serious inflation soon!!

    And that's even if you can get a booking. I've been trying for 3 months now and every time the port ends up closing due to Covid outbreaks. Price has gone from $8k to $13k to now looking like it's going to be $20k within those 3 months.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭zackory


    Scotty # wrote: »
    Just been advised by my freight company that FEWB (Far East Westbound) rate for a 40ft in July is...... are you sitting down..... $20,000. We're going to see some serious inflation soon!!

    And that's even if you can get a booking. I've been trying for 3 months now and every time the port ends up closing due to Covid outbreaks. Price has gone from $8k to $13k to now looking like it's going to be $20k within those 3 months.

    Joe Public is oblivious to this. As you say one issue is price the other is getting a container onto the ship.

    We will have to get used to not being able to purchase items we took for granted not long ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 438 ✭✭andrewfaulk


    Scotty # wrote: »
    Just been advised by my freight company that FEWB (Far East Westbound) rate for a 40ft in July is...... are you sitting down..... $20,000. We're going to see some serious inflation soon!!

    And that's even if you can get a booking. I've been trying for 3 months now and every time the port ends up closing due to Covid outbreaks. Price has gone from $8k to $13k to now looking like it's going to be $20k within those 3 months.

    Yep, Yantian port had major impacts/shut downs due to COVID in staff so there is more major disruption to shipping lines networks.. Arguably more significant than the Ever Given incident but probably exciting enough to make the news


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭silver2020


    Scotty # wrote: »
    Just been advised by my freight company that FEWB (Far East Westbound) rate for a 40ft in July is...... are you sitting down..... $20,000. We're going to see some serious inflation soon!!

    And that's even if you can get a booking. I've been trying for 3 months now and every time the port ends up closing due to Covid outbreaks. Price has gone from $8k to $13k to now looking like it's going to be $20k within those 3 months.

    A lot of the larger companies will have contracted rates, so they won't be paying anything near these rates.

    I know a certain very large Toy Retailer base in Galway was bemoaning that their average rate for 40ft will be close to $5,000 this year

    But they ship thousands of containers as they have shops all over Europe


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