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Rough Cost of Shipping 20ft Container from China to Dublin??

  • 08-06-2009 4:37pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 1,495 ✭✭✭


    Hello Folks,

    Just wondering how much roughly it would cost to get a 20ft container from China to Dublin, including all insurance, charges by Dublin Port, cost of getting container delivered from port to Dublin address etc.

    If any of you have done this perhaps you might let me know of the rough total cost involved.

    One other thing, does the weight of the goods in the container effect the price at all? For example would a crate filled with lead cost the same to transport as one filled with polystyrene?

    Thanks for your help.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,538 ✭✭✭niceirishfella


    Depends on currencies, price of fuel (surchages), handling fee's, customs fee's etc etc.
    I've used MSC in Sandyford previously - they will quote you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,495 ✭✭✭blobert


    Thanks, even a rough estimate would be useful.

    Am just trying to work out the total cost of bringing in a container of goods to see if it is viable.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 575 ✭✭✭Dabko


    Firstly, contact customs in nenagh - here
    Tell them what your importing, they will give you import tax rate. Also remember to phase in vat here too.

    Now contact the Chinese supplier to get the cost of goods less shipping. They always quote in USD, so do a quick currency calculation.

    Next contact MSC or company of the like to get a cost on shipping.

    And that's that.;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,538 ✭✭✭niceirishfella


    Extra costs that will may/not be included will be the crane fee (to get the container off the ship and on your truck), and then that truck fee to get the container as I say, to you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 677 ✭✭✭darc


    Currently you are looking at about €2,300 for a 40ft from port in china delivered to address in leinster.

    For a 20ft I'd guess it would come in about €1800 - €2,000.

    If what you have coming in is less than a 20ft container, try a part load - I have 6 pallets coming in fron guangzhou and the freight is $450 + local delivery & customs charges - probably €600 in total.


    About 2 years ago, all above costs would have been almost double!! - Recessions can have some positives!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭Mickk


    darc wrote: »
    Currently you are looking at about €2,300 for a 40ft from port in china delivered to address in leinster.

    For a 20ft I'd guess it would come in about €1800 - €2,000.

    If what you have coming in is less than a 20ft container, try a part load - I have 6 pallets coming in fron guangzhou and the freight is $450 + local delivery & customs charges - probably €600 in total.


    About 2 years ago, all above costs would have been almost double!! - Recessions can have some positives!

    Is it your first time bringing in a part load? What I have found is that the chinese will quote you great prices and then when it gets to Ireland the actual price you get charged can be 50% higher... The response when I questioned it was:

    "The Chinese will always quote a lower freight rate but what they don't
    tell you is their incentive charges to the agent (Us) which is in excess
    of your quote.

    We actually have to pay this back to them and is reflected in your
    charges."


    That said the freight rates are coming way down since the downturn, China exports on a whole are down 20-25%. Did you get that quote from an Irish company and if so can you name them? Last time I used scs for a 20ft (but it weighted 26 tonnes so I might have been charged a small excess) this was the price (thc=terminal handling charge):

    FREIGHT $1250 @ 1.2683 985.57

    AGENCY FEE €60

    ISPS €14

    THC €75

    CLEARANCE €60

    DELIVERY €190


    SUB TOTAL € 1,384.57


  • Registered Users Posts: 454 ✭✭onedmc


    Form experience the costs start to mount after the 2K quoted from port to port. There's fuel surcharges, tax clearnce, unloading charges, storage charges. And then there can be handling charges, destuffing charges local delivery charges etc. And if its not FOB you can add even more on the other side.

    Make sure you get the full price as you will be quoted the minimum, I've ended up paying quite a bit even when the seller agree to cover the costs all the way as far as the keyside in dublin (CIP)

    Dave Mc


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 575 ✭✭✭Dabko


    darc wrote: »
    Currently you are looking at about €2,300 for a 40ft from port in china delivered to address in leinster.

    For a 20ft I'd guess it would come in about €1800 - €2,000.

    If what you have coming in is less than a 20ft container, try a part load - I have 6 pallets coming in fron guangzhou and the freight is $450 + local delivery & customs charges - probably €600 in total.


    About 2 years ago, all above costs would have been almost double!! - Recessions can have some positives!

    Did you source this price yourself or offered by the vendor? Also, whats the lead time on this delivery?

    Had a similar quote recently for goods from china, it was however taking 6 weeks to get here. Anyone any ideas of delivery with 3 weeks (general downtown china area!)?


  • Registered Users Posts: 794 ✭✭✭RUDOLF289


    Hello Blobert,

    I am a freight forwarder and can answer your questions as follows ;

    1) Oceanfreight. Depending on the port(s) you intend to ship from, freight cost for a 20'
    container is as follows ;

    Shanghai or Dalian or Qingdao or Ningbo Tjianjin or Xingang or Shenzhen - Dublin
    = Us$ 800.00
    Hong Kong would us$ 50.00 less.
    These rates are inclusive of fuel surcharge (BAF) and Currency adjustment factor
    (CAF) and would be valid untill 30JUN09. Currently lines in the Far East to Europe
    Trade are indicating increases of between Us$ 300 and Us$ 400 per container. They
    are unlikely to get the full amount of the proposed increases but since rates are
    rock bottom, they are likely to get some class of an increase. Lines are also
    indicating they intend to implement a peak season surcharge from 01AUG09.

    2) Local charges on arrival in Ireland

    THC = Euro 130
    ISPS = Euro 14.00
    Agency fee = Euro 68
    Delivery to Dublin City / County Euro 200
    Customs Clearance Euro 55.00
    On average you have 5 days after arrival in Ireland to clear the shipment and take
    delivery of the shipment before the lines start charging storage and quay rent.

    3) The maximum permitted weight in a container is roughly 26 tonnes. From aprox 21
    tonnes weight the lines are likely to levy a surcharge. It various from shipping line to
    shipping line.

    Please see attach a document which gives some guidance on imports and exports.

    Hello Dabko,

    can you please specify the port you intend to ship from and I will see what the fastest options are.

    Hello Onedmc

    You obviously have had some bad experience(s). Drop me a PM with details of where you are buying from and I will issue a fixed quote with full transparency.

    Hello Mickk

    If you drop me a PM with the details of your shipment(s) I would be happy to give you a second opinion.

    Hello Darc,

    If you are paying that type of money, you either haven't shipped for a while or there may be another reason why you are being charged that much. If you drop me a PM, with details I would be happy to review it for you and get you a comparison.

    If anybody has any questions in relation to shipping or customs I would be happy to offer advice.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,495 ✭✭✭blobert


    Just coming back to this to say thanks for all the advice, it seems it might be possible to go a bit lower than my €2000 estimate.

    One other thing, when you get the container delivered would you need to unload it there and then or would the delivery company leave the container with you for a certain length of time?

    Thanks


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,538 ✭✭✭niceirishfella


    There and then unless you arrange something different with your truckin co.


  • Registered Users Posts: 794 ✭✭✭RUDOLF289


    blobert wrote: »
    Just coming back to this to say thanks for all the advice, it seems it might be possible to go a bit lower than my €2000 estimate.

    One other thing, when you get the container delivered would you need to unload it there and then or would the delivery company leave the container with you for a certain length of time?

    Thanks

    Hello Blobert,

    you are allowed a maximum of 2 hours to unload. Thereafter the haulier is entitled to charge waiting time @ Euro 45 to 50 per hour. If you want the container to be left with you for the day or overnight the haulier will usually charge a double run i.e. twice the
    Euro 200 indicated.

    Regards,
    Rudolf 289


  • Registered Users Posts: 677 ✭✭✭Mitchomagic


    Hi Rudolf289

    Any idea you would know the cost of a 20' container from Dublin to Kunming China,just a ballpark figure?

    Cheers Mitch


  • Registered Users Posts: 794 ✭✭✭RUDOLF289


    Hello Mitchomagic,

    That was a nice curveball you threw me !

    Most of the lines can only move 2 x 20' ctrs by rail in China to Kunming. So, unless you had 2 x 20' ctrs, they could not accept a booking. However, have found a line who is prepared to move in "singles". Ballpark figure ex Quay Dublin, based on current rates of exchange would be Us$ 2100.00. That includes current fuel surcharge and all other charges upto arrival terminal Kunming.

    Hope this helps, let me know if I can do anything else for you

    Best regards,
    Rudolf289


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 45 DOGMA


    HI rudolf 289,
    Im currently in the process of moving to France, and need the contents of a 20ft container shipped to Isere in Rhone Alp, closest town would be voiron.I had a quote from a shipping company of 2,500 euro to ship it, this to me seemed an awful lot considering a removal company quoted me at 3000, when i told the company this he basically said thats my price if you dont like it tough.Now i didnt complain at the time because I knew nothing about prices, but upon reading you posts on shipping costs from China I think the quote was a little exaggerated,could anyone give me some advice on other companies who will ship to France as moving time is fast approaching.
    Thanks for any advice in advance.


  • Registered Users Posts: 794 ✭✭✭RUDOLF289


    Hello Dogma,

    A couple of things to bear in mind. Shipping personal effects is a specialist business. If you ask a removal company, they will quote you, generally including packing, insurance, freight and unpacking at destination. There is a lot of labour involved, hence the apparent high costs.

    A lot of freight forwarders consider "Personal Effects" nuisance value. because the client has a limited understanding of the shipping process and the forwarder a limited understanding of what the client needs, it is often a "bad fit" and potentially leads to a lot of extra work and frustration (on the part of both forwarder and client).

    In addition, the price quoted by the forwarder is likely to be influenced further by the fact that a lot of European shipping lines only have a limited quantity of 20' ctrs in their fleet as most Intra European traffics move in 40' and 45' ctrs. As a result 20' rates are some times even more expensive than 40' ctrs. On the face of it strange, but to an insider it makes sense.

    That's by way of back ground.

    In order for me to assist you, can you please confirm ;

    1) Place of loading in Ireland
    2) Postal Code of the destination in France

    That would enable me to see what rates can be achieved for your transport.

    Finally, I hear some good things about ; http://www.easymoves.net/easymoves-testimonials.html

    They offer a variety of services, from DIY moves to full service all inclusive removals.
    It may be worth having a chat with them, just to get a second opinion

    Look forward to hear further from you

    Best regards,
    RUDOLF289


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 45 DOGMA


    Thanks for the quick reply,
    The loading point would be a storage yard in Raheen in Limerick and the destination would be Voiron in post code 38 about 1 hr south of Lyon.Ill take a look at the web address you posted and see if it helps.
    Thanks again.
    P.s the items are stored in a container but it is not mine,the items would have to be shipped in the transporters container,you probably realised this already but thought I would mention it anyway.


  • Registered Users Posts: 178 ✭✭Wallacebiy


    Any chance of an idea of how much a box 400mm x 400mm x 600mm ( roughly )
    and likely less than 30 kgs weight would be CIF from Wenzhou,Zhejiang,China
    to Cork ,

    Would I be better importing a few pallettes for economy of scale or what would be the difference ( I'm looking into bringing some stainless steel things in )


  • Registered Users Posts: 794 ✭✭✭RUDOLF289


    Hello Wallacebiy,

    For the quantity you are looking at, it would probably more economical to use airfreight. Oceanfreight will incurr a lot of minimum and fixed costs such as ;

    Oceanfreight - Us$ 150.00 (ex F.O.B. Wenzhou)
    Agency - Euro 55.00
    Handling - Euro 55.00
    Customs clearance - Euro 55.00
    Delivery ex Dublin - Euro 35.00
    (Total Euro 200.00 plus Us$ 150)

    I would need to have a look at the nearest airport to Wenzhou that I could offer service from, but taking Shanghai as an example the airfreight rate for 30kgs would be aprox Us$ 7.00 per kg including surcharges (Fuel etc). to Cork. Local charges for airfreight would be aprox Euro 120 (Airline handling, clearance delivery).

    If you were to ship 10 boxes of the size / weight you indicate, the seafreight rate would work out the same, only the delivery from Dublin would increase marginally.

    Trust that will give you something to work with

    Regards,
    RUDOLF289
    as indicated above


  • Registered Users Posts: 178 ✭✭Wallacebiy


    Cheers .

    That gives me a great handle on things .

    I'd probably be better off taking the samples by airfreight so and then shipping in batches ( once i have a few customers lined up )


    Or possibly to minimise my duty and vat per unit , I should just get 10 in by sea ?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 794 ✭✭✭RUDOLF289


    Hello Wallacebiy,

    I think you're on the right track

    You pay duty over the Cost Insurance Freight price (and VAT over the CIF price plus duty, although that is a deductible/reclaimable input). So the more you ship for the same freight cost, the less duty per item you incurr.

    Regards,
    RUDOLF289


  • Registered Users Posts: 178 ✭✭Wallacebiy


    Cheers Rudolf !!

    gives me a ball park to aim for . gonna have to get a few heads in on the venture to make it worthwhile I'd say . Cheers .


  • Registered Users Posts: 178 ✭✭Wallacebiy


    Rudolf
    They'll offer me a price FOB in Ningbo / Shanghai

    what am I looking at from there to Cork ?( I realise I'm into the territory of insuring it now for the trip to cork from shanghai ) I'm trying to figure out where I'm at with tax etc .

    the unit cost for this thing is less than 150 euro , so I'm thinking of getting 2 in as samples , but if all told I get them to the door and it ends up costing too much it might not be worth it .

    I need the samples to assure customers (and myself) the product is quality , but realistically I'm not going to have ten customers all at once . just trying to figure out the most cost effective way of doing this is all .


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭who the fug


    RUDOLF289 wrote: »
    Hello Dogma,

    A couple of things to bear in mind. Shipping personal effects is a specialist business. If you ask a removal company, they will quote you, generally including packing, insurance, freight and unpacking at destination. There is a lot of labour involved, hence the apparent high costs.

    A lot of freight forwarders consider "Personal Effects" nuisance value. because the client has a limited understanding of the shipping process and the forwarder a limited understanding of what the client needs, it is often a "bad fit" and potentially leads to a lot of extra work and frustration (on the part of both forwarder and client).

    In addition, the price quoted by the forwarder is likely to be influenced further by the fact that a lot of European shipping lines only have a limited quantity of 20' ctrs in their fleet as most Intra European traffics move in 40' and 45' ctrs. As a result 20' rates are some times even more expensive than 40' ctrs. On the face of it strange, but to an insider it makes sense.

    That's by way of back ground.

    In order for me to assist you, can you please confirm ;

    1) Place of loading in Ireland
    2) Postal Code of the destination in France

    That would enable me to see what rates can be achieved for your transport.

    Finally, I hear some good things about ; http://www.easymoves.net/easymoves-testimonials.html

    They offer a variety of services, from DIY moves to full service all inclusive removals.
    It may be worth having a chat with them, just to get a second opinion

    Look forward to hear further from you

    Best regards,
    RUDOLF289

    What he said I normally double my price & times it by three when quoting for Personal effects, and if I get the job I reckon it still won't pay for the amount of time and effort and grief


  • Registered Users Posts: 794 ✭✭✭RUDOLF289


    Wallacebiy wrote: »
    Rudolf
    They'll offer me a price FOB in Ningbo / Shanghai

    what am I looking at from there to Cork ?( I realise I'm into the territory of insuring it now for the trip to cork from shanghai ) I'm trying to figure out where I'm at with tax etc .

    the unit cost for this thing is less than 150 euro , so I'm thinking of getting 2 in as samples , but if all told I get them to the door and it ends up costing too much it might not be worth it .

    I need the samples to assure customers (and myself) the product is quality , but realistically I'm not going to have ten customers all at once . just trying to figure out the most cost effective way of doing this is all .

    Hello Wallacebiy,

    the Oceanfreight ex Shanghai would be Us$ 120.00, the remaining charges are as per the costs I indicated before. Insurance would be in the order of Euro 90.00 (that is the minimum plus policy charges)

    Let me know if I can do anything for you

    Best regards,
    RUDOLF289


  • Registered Users Posts: 178 ✭✭Wallacebiy


    RUDOLF289 wrote: »
    Hello Wallacebiy,

    the Oceanfreight ex Shanghai would be Us$ 120.00, the remaining charges are as per the costs I indicated before. Insurance would be in the order of Euro 90.00 (that is the minimum plus policy charges)

    Let me know if I can do anything for you

    Best regards,
    RUDOLF289

    Cheers

    They've given me an FOB Shanghai Price shipped to cork airport by airfreight , that I'm happy with . They said they're using a forwarding co. so I figure all I've got to do is cover insurance for the trip and import and vat am I right ?

    This is for my initial two samples . as long as they're good , then I'll try and guage interest and get in a shipment of maybe ten in a couple of months time .


  • Registered Users Posts: 794 ✭✭✭RUDOLF289


    Hello Wallacebiy,

    Indeed, insurance VAT and charges on arrival at Cork airport would be what you need to cover. Furniture is generally 0% import duty.

    By the way, let me know if you want to have a "second opinon" on the airfreight costs.

    Also, please note that China closes from tomorrow evening for 8 days as their annual holiday.

    Regards,
    RUDOLF289


  • Registered Users Posts: 178 ✭✭Wallacebiy


    RUDOLF289 wrote: »
    Hello Wallacebiy,

    Indeed, insurance VAT and charges on arrival at Cork airport would be what you need to cover. Furniture is generally 0% import duty.

    By the way, let me know if you want to have a "second opinon" on the airfreight costs.

    Also, please note that China closes from tomorrow evening for 8 days as their annual holiday.

    Regards,
    RUDOLF289

    It's less than 250 dollars from them to Cork so I reckon they're trying to be competitive , It's classed as a stainless steel vessel less than 50l capacity so the duty is 2.7% ( I checked already )

    I'd like to know the forwarding co. though , but I guess I'll have to wait for the payment to go through.


  • Registered Users Posts: 386 ✭✭shindig-jp


    Great Thread and even greater we have an expert RUDOLF289 .

    RUDOLF thanks for coming on board and helping out here, here's my gig. I have a small truck coming in from Japan (personal item ,so no vat or vrt) , I have already paid shipping costs to Dublin port. The Manon's ETA is >14/10/2009 > I need to find a customs clearance agent and pay the Terminal handling charge.

    Can you take the job or recommend an agent.

    I have the same handle on Skype.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 386 ✭✭shindig-jp


    @RUDOLF

    Just read on another thread you are based in Cork so you may not be able to take on the job, perhaps a recommendation would be helpful . I have been looking at mccbrokers.com


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