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History.

  • 06-06-2009 5:08pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 27


    Seeing as we don't have a thread, or one I can find anyway!


    What's everyone's predictions then?? I've done the case studies from each module. Thinking of looking over some stuff over the next few days. What about you guys?


    My last exam too. :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭mikeglee


    I'm sorry that I have no information but I just want to make it known that I really wanted to do history. How is it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Absolute Zero


    i belive they are beginning to become more interested in the conservative aspect of rule in ireland and the elections when the conservatives came to power. ya kno "killing home rule with kindness"

    i also think there may be a direct question on the SHOW TRIALS , hopefully CAUSES OF WORLD WAR 2 will come up i love that question. but i belive it may be a question on the RISE of the NAZI PARTy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27 DimestoreSaint


    Some of it's good, some of it's bad. And they're a lot of learning. I sometimes mix up the two Irish sections.


    But 20% is already done in a research project, and 20% is a documents question so it's very do-able to get a good grade.

    Hard work is required.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,619 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    Well document should be civil rights.

    1885 - 1886 is a possibility
    Killing home rule with Kindness
    Parnell
    Davit
    Butt
    GAA

    Later is easier to predict

    Mussolini
    Church State Relations
    Nazi Germany

    And Later Ireland

    The Economy 1922 - 1939
    Ireland During the "Emergency"
    And the USE of Violence between 1916 and 1922


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27 DimestoreSaint


    errlloyd wrote: »
    Well document should be civil rights.

    1885 - 1886 is a possibility
    Killing home rule with Kindness
    Parnell
    Davit
    Butt
    GAA

    Later is easier to predict

    Mussolini
    Church State Relations

    Nazi Germany

    And Later Ireland

    The Economy 1922 - 1939

    Ireland During the "Emergency"
    And the USE of Violence between 1916 and 1922

    That's what I have done. Did you teacher predict them? Also would you say Church/State will be in both Italy and Germany? I've done it out today but it's a bit long. :/


    We were thinking the document would be the moon landing coz it's 30 years this year.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭ALincoln


    errlloyd wrote: »
    Well document should be civil rights.

    1885 - 1886 is a possibility
    Killing home rule with Kindness
    Parnell
    Davit
    Butt
    GAA

    Later is easier to predict

    Mussolini
    Church State Relations
    Nazi Germany

    And Later Ireland

    The Economy 1922 - 1939
    Ireland During the "Emergency"
    And the USE of Violence between 1916 and 1922

    I did this last year and made a series of predictions, all of which proved to be inaccurate. Predicting History is not impossible, but guessing what will be on the paper is far from an exact science, so be careful to cover yourself.

    Regarding the documents question, it's fairly safe to say Vietnam will not come up again, so that is eliminated. I always found the Civil Rights Movement to be slightly more substantive than the Space Race, but that may be due to the manner in which it was taught, and bear in mind that both areas of the course are topical for their own reasons. There is still some time left before History, so I would study both to be secure.

    In the first Irish topic, I would say 1885/86 stands a reasonably good chance of making an appearance, as part of a Parnell angled question. Butt will probably not come up alone, but can be skillfully incorporated into any Home Rule q. I'd be less certain about the GAA - it was an option last year, and this topic is broad enough for aspects like that not to feature in consecutive years.

    Dictatorship and Democracy - last year was a "Stalin year" (and more unnervingly a Lenin year as well). Propoganda also came up (albeit in a slightly different context), so maybe the Show Trials aren't such a likely candidate. Mussolini is probably too easy for a full question, but due to previously sporadic appearances stands a chance of coming up this year alongside Hitler, whether in relation to Church/ State or other analoguos (or strikingly disanaloguous) areas.

    In the later Irish topic, Sinn Fein's rise to popularity/ electoral prominence from 1916+ was my LC banker. This unfortunately turned out to be wishful thinking. I still think it is a fully examinable topic though, and I would not be at all surprised to see it on Wednesday's paper.

    Some general tips for a good grade - timing: note it, plan it out and stick to it. If you don't, an A1 is probably not a realistic prospect. The question: answer it. Anything else will not carry you into high grade territory. Structure: have it. Say what you're going to say, say it, then say what you said.

    Hope that helps somewhat, the best of luck!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,619 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    Thanks mate.

    I know last year it was harder to predict, as its a new syllabus, but essentially every year it narrows a bit more. I heard the moon landing was a very "ordinary level" topic, I will only do Civil Rights. Its only contextualization anyway.

    As for the GAA, I believe it has been on every year...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13 VivaLaVida


    I've done the GAA, strike and lockout, Parnell, and unionist's opposition to home rule. Thinking of learning one more though.

    Then for topic 3 I've done cng and ff economic policies plus belfast during WW2 and the emergency years in the free state.

    For european I've covered Mussolini, church state relations, the rise of fasicm, causes of WW2 and the nazi state.

    Anything really obvious I'm leaving out? Is anyone else finding history to be like a big gamble?:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,619 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    Do some of the independence stuff. Actually the rise of Sinn Fein looks very good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,893 ✭✭✭Davidius


    I'm just going to go ahead and read the two books again. :pac:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40 dontlikeurmam


    So far I am doing the following and only the following for my history...

    Soverignty and Partition:
    Rise of Sinn fein/Decline of Home Rule
    Ec. policies of Fianna Fail
    Ec. policies of C na G
    And the two policies together

    Politics and Society in N.Ireland:
    Apprentice Boys (think they might ask in relation to beginning of Troubles??)
    Emergence of Provisional I.R.A
    Effect of the Troubles on Economy and Education(will they ask this together or seperate?)

    Nation States and International Tensions:
    Naval Policy of Wilhelm (and how it affected European diplomacy)
    Industrialisation and Social Tensions in Germany 1871-1890
    Women in the workforce during World War 2

    SO...what do ya think???

    If anyone has any suggestions for questions on these topics please give them so I can immediatly write an essay on it and learn it off!!!:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭phic


    anyone doing anglo-american cinema?
    my teacher seems to think it's gonna come up because it hasn't before, but I can't see a mention of it in any of the past or sample papers?
    It is in my book, but is it maybe part of the old course or something...?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 660 ✭✭✭Claypigeon


    phic wrote: »
    anyone doing anglo-american cinema?
    my teacher seems to think it's gonna come up because it hasn't before, but I can't see a mention of it in any of the past or sample papers?
    It is in my book, but is it maybe part of the old course or something...?

    Yup ours was pushing it. Anglo american cinema, radio, media as a whole would be sound and an easy learn but JUST cinema would be ****e.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭zodac


    Anyone think that the rise of Sinn Fein might be in there for the Irish topic? It's the only one that I've got well prepared for that question...:(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭Killaqueen!!!


    I know the 1885/1886 elections but I just know it's not going to be a simple question if it does come up. It's going to be something about Parnell in which you're expected to condense all of the big chapter that comes before the case study as well as the case study...I suck at condensing!

    I was actually thinking that, while history is very hard considering the amount of work involved, it's pretty hard to fail. Your almost guarenteed a pass if you do a good special topic (20%) and document questions are pretty easy (20%). My problem is with time in the exam so hopefully the right questions will come up and I'll be able to shorten my essays.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28 xprincessashx


    omg this thread is scaring me more....theres so much i haven't learned....

    perfect paper for me would be:

    -cosgrave government

    -welfare state/brookeborough in power

    -rise of fascism

    things will never be that perfect though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 264 ✭✭sron


    Doesn't seem to be any mention of Ireland post-1949. Any predictions? Unlike most here, our class never even touched anything pre-home rule.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭Cathal_91


    zodac wrote: »
    Anyone think that the rise of Sinn Fein might be in there for the Irish topic? It's the only one that I've got well prepared for that question...:(
    yeah a fairly good chance, id say go over the economic policies of the goverments and ireland 1919-23 and you should be almost covered!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭Cathal_91


    I know the 1885/1886 elections but I just know it's not going to be a simple question if it does come up. It's going to be something about Parnell in which you're expected to condense all of the big chapter that comes before the case study as well as the case study...I suck at condensing!

    I was actually thinking that, while history is very hard considering the amount of work involved, it's pretty hard to fail. Your almost guarenteed a pass if you do a good special topic (20%) and document questions are pretty easy (20%). My problem is with time in the exam so hopefully the right questions will come up and I'll be able to shorten my essays.


    yeah man like think

    15% for a decent research
    15% lets say u do pretty decent in the documents
    10% a half decent answer
    10% onli get like 2 and a half pages done
    5% lets say u make a complete mess of your last essay or onli get about less than a page

    thats still a C3 55%
    and 60 points

    i think im gonna stick with higher on wednesday :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 160 ✭✭decster


    id say that Sinn Féin could come up. their rise to prominence and the decline on home rule.
    my best topics are one above, economic policy of cng and ff, church state relations in fascist states.
    rise of Hitler and Nazi's if Mussolini is added in it will be a bonus as well.
    anything i would need to add on. let me know cheers,
    books im doin are northern ireland, dictatorship and democracy, later modern irish. and american of course.


    cinema and radio is a good possibility, my reacher pushed that on us.
    what should i concentrate on in northern ireland section,


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 160 ✭✭decster


    teacher should i say*


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 154 ✭✭eoins2345


    I can help with condensing for Parnell and the elections
    Intro-
    born 1846,Avondale,Co Wicklow
    family part of the protestant anglo irish ascendancy
    Mother Delia Stewart strong nationalist tendancies
    Influenced him.Mp for meath 1874
    obstrucitonism
    new departure
    land league and 3fs
    relations with irb

    par 2-postion of hr
    well oraganised ex
    well financed ex
    party pledge.."i will sit act and vote with irish parliamentary party
    Urged voters in Britain to vote for conservatives

    par 3 1885- results in Ireland 85 seat out 103 and one in england
    results in england liberals 335 conservatives 249
    results in Ireland showed strong religious divide
    parnell has balance of power
    open up way for political alliance
    hawarden kite

    par4- hr bill, gladstone becomes PM very little government
    Give a few terms
    Hr would apply to all of Ireland
    contribute one fifteeth to imperial revenue
    Mps wouldnt be allowed to sit at westminister if it was granted
    Queen Victoria against
    strong opposition coming form ulster"will be right" "ulster will emerge victorious

    par5 Bill defeated 343-313
    Elections 1886 conservatives win 299-191
    93 liberals vote against it
    embarrassment for Gladstone
    Conservatives in power for next 20 years Policy of Killing Hr with kindness
    Home rulers would have to be very patient

    par6-Uncrowened king of Ireland to his downfall
    pigott forgeries
    Kathy oshea
    affair
    divorce
    trial
    catholic church
    reputation down

    par7
    parnellites v anti parnellites
    Parnell loses leadership
    contest 3 by elections but loses
    dies 1891 of a fever
    possilby stress???
    200000 attend funeral
    guard of honour massive

    par8 refer back to question
    extra info for a good conclusion up to yourself
    Maybe his roll in the land league and land agitation or hr with john redmond or implications the elections had on ireland!


    now thats leavong out an incredible amount about him before the elections!you could really go on for pages and pages about Parnell!ders too much on him in the book to be honest!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 160 ✭✭decster


    anyone got tips for an essay on the apprentice boys of derry,
    i find this to be a very limited topic for a full question on it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28 xprincessashx


    definitely don't drop down to pass on the day...there is loads more focus on key personalities, dont know bout you but i wouldnt be able to write about them...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭english4490


    decster wrote: »
    anyone got tips for an essay on the apprentice boys of derry,
    i find this to be a very limited topic for a full question on it.
    +1!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 160 ✭✭decster


    i dont quite follow that:(::confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭english4490


    decster wrote: »
    i dont quite follow that:(::confused:
    i was asking the same question you were! i just wouldn know what to write about them there is so little on them in my text book!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭not bakunin


    sron wrote: »
    Doesn't seem to be any mention of Ireland post-1949. Any predictions? Unlike most here, our class never even touched anything pre-home rule.



    snap. i'd recommend giving a look over the National Coalition , and also the political instability of the 1980's.


    come on church state relations!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 484 ✭✭happydayz182


    PLEASE PLEASE will some one give me a plan for church state realtions!! i begging i dont where to look or what to writE!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭not bakunin


    PLEASE PLEASE will some one give me a plan for church state realtions!! i begging i dont where to look or what to writE!


    oh yeah, thats one of my best essays.....i'd say
    • "honeymoon period" with the church in italy 1922
    • Latern Treaty 1929 and the details of that
    • mussolini bans catholic action 1933
    • Manifesto Della Razza and churchs opposition 1937
    • censorship of l'osservatore romano 1940
    so that italy, with a few more details. for germany:
    • concordat with the church 1933
    • reichskirche july 1933
    • confessional church 1934 led by barth and niemoller. send an open letter criticising hitler 1936, arrested.
    • cardinal von galen speaks out against euthanasia 1940
    • theologian boenhoeffer opposes nazi rule and is arrested
    • pope publishes "with burning anguish" criticising nazis failure to uphold the concordat
    • criticism of christian response to the holocaust
    • johnathon stark leader of jehovahs witnesses executed for refusing conscription.
    so yeah, just fill that out and go on about how at first the church liked fascism as it was an alternative to communism, but then it went a bit sour. its not that bad


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 484 ✭✭happydayz182


    Godsend! thank you!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭ThatWouldBeNice


    I will cry if the moon landings come up. :mad:

    Ideal paper for me:

    Dictatorship and democracy: Anything from Anti-Semitism, Church-State, the Purges and Show Trials, the causes of WWII, Soviet Economy, Home Front.

    Movt. for Political and Social Reform: 85/86 elections, something vague on Parnell (strengths/weakeness - I could just about compare him with Butt), Unionism, Cultural Nationalism. I may look at Land Reform just in case it comes up.

    Pursuit of Sovereignity etc: Causes for Rising and why did it fail, Rise of 2nd SF, Causes of Civil War and why the Regulars won, the Impact of War, Anglo-Irish relations, compare C n G and FF. I'll have a quick look at culture, too.

    I'm ****ting myself, this is the topic I really want to get an A in, but it could so easily go wrong. Just, please God - no astronauts :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 484 ✭✭happydayz182


    worst case scenario and astronauts do come up we will lose about 20 marks on the contextualisation and can bull the rest


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 RoyKeaneNO16


    What do people think is the most likely case study to come up

    would church state relations and the show trials cover me in european

    i am really bad at history and just want a d1 so any tips would be nice


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭ThatWouldBeNice


    What do people think is the most likely case study to come up

    would church state relations and the show trials cover me in european

    i am really bad at history and just want a d1 so any tips would be nice

    Church-State is widely tipped to come up. My teacher is pushing Show Trials too (it's importance in Stalin's reign). I'd learn something about the Nazis or Mussolini and friends just to be sure.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭sock puppet


    Church-State is widely tipped to come up. My teacher is pushing Show Trials too (it's importance in Stalin's reign). I'd learn something about the Nazis or Mussolini and friends just to be sure.

    In one of the sample papers there's a question on the role of terror in Stalin's regime 1924-39. Do you think that's the kind of question that will come up? Or could it be more specific than that like only on the purges and show trials?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭ThatWouldBeNice


    Hmmm, think it could be a question like ''What role did the Show Trials play in Stalin's reign". That leaves you room to mention his policy of control by fear, his personality blah blah. The questions are always vague enough for you to be able to fit in lots of things.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭ThatWouldBeNice


    Sorry - didn't mean to press submit. Anyway, as long as you reference to the question (eg. end your paragraph by saying "Therefore the Show Trials highlight Stalin's jealous, paranoid personality" or something) and you'll be fine. The markers want to give you points.

    Also, I think, you will only lose marks in the 40-mark section on how well you answer the question. If you know enough facts, even if it is not strictly relevant, you should still get your 60 marks for facts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭sock puppet


    Hmmm, think it could be a question like ''What role did the Show Trials play in Stalin's reign". That leaves you room to mention his policy of control by fear, his personality blah blah. The questions are always vague enough for you to be able to fit in lots of things.

    Thanks. Not sure if I'll do it if it comes up. I know the Communism chapter well enough but I'd probably do better in a question on facism.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭ThatWouldBeNice


    "What role did the Show Trials play in the rise of Fascism in the church-state dominated world of inter-war Europe? Comment on the economic, social and sporting effects it had on ONE named Eastern European town. Make references to Adrienne Rich in your answer."


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 149 ✭✭Dumbledore


    I haven't started any history yet though I have good general knowledge of it and have always done well. If I had about 6 hours to do it, what would you recommend to do As in what are your tips to come up?
    I have a pretty retentive memory so really only have to read something once to know it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭ThatWouldBeNice


    Dumbledore wrote: »
    I haven't started any history yet though I have good general knowledge of it and have always done well. If I had about 6 hours to do it, what would you recommend to do As in what are your tips to come up?
    I have a pretty retentive memory so really only have to read something once to know it.

    Church-State.
    85/86 elections.
    Contrasting economic policies of FF and CnG.

    They're my three bankers on coming up. Of course you should do a bit more, though ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭english4490


    Dumbledore wrote: »
    I haven't started any history yet though I have good general knowledge of it and have always done well. If I had about 6 hours to do it, what would you recommend to do As in what are your tips to come up?
    I have a pretty retentive memory so really only have to read something once to know it.
    what topics are you doing?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 RoyKeaneNO16


    Church-State is widely tipped to come up. My teacher is pushing Show Trials too (it's importance in Stalin's reign). I'd learn something about the Nazis or Mussolini and friends just to be sure.

    thanks mate just wondering aswell theres a question about cinema and music in the american section hasnt come up before do you think that could come up thats an easy enough essay alot of common sense on that


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 149 ✭✭Dumbledore


    what topics are you doing?

    There was a brown book with Hitler on the front, a blue book with MLK on the front I believe, a green book about Irish history that had I think was Padraig Pearse on the front, and what I think was a beige book about American history?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 RoyKeaneNO16


    Dumbledore wrote: »
    There was a brown book with Hitler on the front, a blue book with MLK on the front I believe, a green book about Irish history that had I think was Padraig Pearse on the front, and what I think was a beige book about American history?

    haha why dont you get out exampapers and have a look at the sections you have coverd look at the questions which make sens for you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 392 ✭✭Twinkle-star15


    mikeglee wrote: »
    I'm sorry that I have no information but I just want to make it known that I really wanted to do history. How is it?

    It's freaking horrible.

    I'm doing Ireland 3 and 6 and Europe 3.

    The case studies for every topic have to come up, so I'm concentrating on them, and causes/effects. That means roughly 9 essays to learn off. In 2 days. Yikes!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 660 ✭✭✭Claypigeon


    It's freaking horrible.

    I'm going Ireland 3 and 6 and Europe 3.

    The case studies for every topic have to come up, so I'm concentrating on them, and causes/effects. That means roughly 9 essays to learn off. In 2 days. Yikes!

    9 ain't bad! Read the chapters on each and all relevant material then write a PLAN that you can learn.

    This skeleton of an essay you can rewrite on scrap paper on the day or on your exam paper and then fill in with your facts. Don't be writing out essays - just write out key points and facts. Wasting time otherwise - learn plans.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭Gi joe!


    Why is everyone focusing on case studys for the essay questions? At the most 1 will come up from each topic and thats being optimistic, and theres not nearly enough in the book to write about them! :confused:

    The only one I'm doing is the Show Trials, and that only would get me two pages MAX of writing from the content.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 660 ✭✭✭Claypigeon


    Gi joe! wrote: »
    Why is everyone focusing on case studys for the essay questions? At the most 1 will come up from each topic and thats being optimistic, and theres not nearly enough in the book to write about them! :confused:

    The only one I'm doing is the Show Trials, and that only would get me two pages MAX of writing from the content.

    The content of a terrible textbook? Get researching, get a revision book that's worth its price, go! Now! Run! D:


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