Local & European Elections 2009 - Results Thread

Sully

This thread is for results of the election count as we get them. Starts 9am tommrow. Europe on Sunday.

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Stephen

10:39 AM* RTE_Elections - Kilkenny city: Fianna Fail vote holding up and may match the 34% first preferences the party received in the city in last local elections

I'm surprised.

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Stephen wrote: »

10:39 AM* RTE_Elections - Kilkenny city: Fianna Fail vote holding up and may match the 34% first preferences the party received in the city in last local elections

I'm surprised.

I'm not. J Mc Guinness has big support and bought a large portion of his votes. Plus '04 was not a good election for them.

ChristIsMurph

Labour polling badly in the city
Date:
Saturday, June 6, 2009

EARLY indications are that the Labour Party is polling badly in Kilkenny City in the local elections. Almost 90% of the boxes have now been opened at the count centre in Cillin Hill and tallymen are already predicting that outgoing councillors Martin Brett, FG, and Green Malcolm Noonan will fight it out at the top of the poll.

Also polling very well is Councillor Andrew McGuinness but the bad news for his running mates is that the McGuinness vote in many cases would appear to be a personal one with the second, third and fourth preferences scattered among all parties. Newcomer Joe Malone of Fianna Fail is also polling steadily.

There is good news for Sinn Fein as Kathleen Funchion is doing very well and should be elected on the first count.

Back to Labour, and the tallymen say that both Sean Butler and Noel Frawley have a big fight on their hands.

http://kilkennyalive.com/story/labour-polling-badly-city

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ChristIsMurph wrote: »

http://kilkennyalive.com/story/labour-polling-badly-city

Labour are too old and negative in Kilkenny. Not surprised Funchion doing well, ran a strong campaign

How are FG holding up ?

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Ireland -East/Leinster constituency;

Seems to be Mc Guinness, Childers, and Phelan/Aylward for the last seat. Hopt to God Phelan pullls it off . Will be a tall order.

ChristIsMurph

I have no idea. I haven't been speaking to anyone and I'm not down there myself just yet. Decided rather than waiting around like a nervous wreck that I'd relax at home for a while first!

holidayhere

Stephen wrote: »

10:39 AM* RTE_Elections - Kilkenny city: Fianna Fail vote holding up and may match the 34% first preferences the party received in the city in last local elections

I'm surprised.

Local elections are about local politics and local people.
It is not a general election.

Nightwish

I gave my first preference to JP Phelan and it seems as though he might pull it off. According to RTE now, Phelan is doing very well.

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ChristIsMurph wrote: »

I have no idea. I haven't been speaking to anyone and I'm not down there myself just yet. Decided rather than waiting around like a nervous wreck that I'd relax at home for a while first!

Nerve wracking time for you. Very best of luck to you. We badly need good young people locally.

ChristIsMurph

I'm about 250 according to tallymen

Nightwish

Any indications on how Anna Michalska is tallying for FF?

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Probably doing well. Heard they had her rounding up a lot of the Polish residents to get registered. Sure why wouldn't they want to keep the welfare flowing by voting FF . Meanwhile the country is borrowing 20 BILLION per year while these jokers are in power.

Sully

ChristIsMurph wrote: »

I'm about 250 according to tallymen

Overall, how is it looking for you?

ChristIsMurph

I dunno yet. I only know mine! I could be within a chance. A lot depends where McGuinness's transfers goes. Apparently he has 3 quotas.

Nightwish

mfitzy wrote: »

Probably doing well. Heard they had her rounding up a lot of the Polish residents to get registered. Sure why wouldn't they want to keep the welfare flowing by voting FF . Meanwhile the country is borrowing 20 BILLION per year while these jokers are in power.

I was curious, because I know a few Poles, who wouldnt vote for her. They saw her running as a sly move by FF to get their vote. Which is true!

Sully

ChristIsMurph wrote: »

A lot depends where McGuinness's transfers goes. Apparently he has 3 quotas.

To the parking warden perhaps?

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God the voters in KK city are are exactly like sheep. I can only hope this was some kind of misguided vote against Cowen.

FF getting the drubbing they deserve in the county though. Might not return any seat in Thomastowm I hear.

Nightwish

FF looking to retain 4 seats in Kilkenny. Talk about lemmings

Absolute Zero

sure dont ye kno that the polish one , anna is goin out with mcguiness?

woops did i say that

ronkmonster

Nightwish wrote: »

FF looking to retain 4 seats in Kilkenny. Talk about lemmings

maybe those 4 people are the best candidates. these are local elections. electing people to deal with local issues. why vote for a lesser candidate because of their party.

Sully

ronkmonster wrote: »

maybe those 4 people are the best candidates. these are local elections. electing people to deal with local issues. why vote for a lesser candidate because of their party.

You usually align yourself with a party you agree with in terms of how they run, their policies etc. Then you look at the character. It would seem that the McGuiness are a very popular family and it doesnt matter what they do - they will get elected. Its a personal vote, clearly, rather then a vote by party. In other areas, people simply couldnt stomach voting for a candidate that aligns themselves with FF.

ronkmonster

maybe voting for parties instead of the person is why we get such ineffectual politicians (in central government anyway).

fabbydabby

I disagree... I believe that people vote for personalities over parties, and the crazy way the transfers often go confirms this.

ronkmonster

fabbydabby wrote: »

I disagree... I believe that people vote for personalities over parties, and the crazy way the transfers often go confirms this.

i'd agree with this in local elections. maybe not so much in general elections.

in local elections people want politicians they know, that will sort out their issues.

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Anybody hear whats going on in the county?

EKRIUQ

KILKENNY BOROUGH COUNCIL
Early results for Kilkenny Borough Council.
Fianna Fail has bucked the national trend in Kilkenny. Cllr Andrew McGuinnenss, son of sacked Fianna Fail minister John McGuinness, has over two quotas in the Borough Council election, increasing his vote by 4% on 2004. Fianna Fail will get 35.7% of the vote in Kilkenny, ensuring that four of their candidates will get in. Also, for the first time ever, Sinn Fein will have a person on the Borough Council.

Fianna Fail: 34%
Fine Gael: 26%
Labour: 12%
Greens: 7%
Sinn Fein: 5.7%
Others: 15.3%



Martin Brett (FG): 8.5%
Sean Butler (Lab): 2.2%
John Coonan (FF): 6.7%
Paul Cuddihy (FG): 4.9%
David Fitzgerald (FG): 5.1%
Marie Fitzpatrick (Lab): 5.6%
Noel Frawley (Lab): 1.3%
Kathleen Funchion (SF): 5.7%
Mick Greene (Ind): 3.9%
Frank Kavanagh (Ind): 3.1%
Jimmy Leahy (Ind): 4.1%
Joe Malone (FF): 6.2%
Betty Manning (FG): 6%
Andrew McGuinness (FF): 15.1%
Eugene McGuinness (Ind): 2%
Anna Michalska (FF): 2.6%
Darren Murphy (FG): 2.5%
Malcolm Noonan (Green): 7%
Sean O hArgain (Lab): 3.5%
Roger O'Reilly (Ind): 0.3%
Joe Reidy (FF): 3.4%


KILKENNY ELECTORAL AREA OF KILKENNY COUNTY COUNCIL

Early results in the Kilkenny Electoral Area of Kilkenny County Council.
(7 seats)

Fianna Fail: 32.6%
Fine Gael: 29%
Labour: 14.6%
Greens: 10.1%
Sinn Fein: 6.3%
Other: 7.4%


Martin Brett (FG): 12%
Sean Butler (Lab): 3.5%
John Coonan (FF): 9.5%
Paul Cuddihy (FG): 8%
Marie Fitzpatrick (Lab): 5.7%
Pat Fitzpatrick (Lab): 6.3%
Kathleen Funchion (SF): 6.3%
Frank Kavanagh (Ind): 4.3%
Betty Manning (FG): 8.9%
Andrew McGuinness (FF): 16.8%
Eugene McGuinness (Ind): 3.2%
Malcolm Noonan (Green): 10.1%
Sean O hArgain (Lab): 5.6%

For county votes http://www.kilkennypeople.ie/sectionhome.aspx?sectionID=2921

Alzar

Update at 20.00hours

Elected to the Kilkenny Borough Council on the 1st Count

Andrew McGuinness, FF

Martin Brett, FG

Quota 662

Count 1 Results

Martin Brett, FG, 709- elected

Sean Butler, Lab, 180

John Coonan, FF, 568

Paul Cuddihy, FG 420

David Fitzgerald, FG, 430

Marie Fitzpatrick, Lab, 476

Noel Frawley, Lab, 107

Kathleen Funchion, SF, 474

Mick Greene, Indep, 344

Frank Kavanagh, Ind 272

Jimmy Leahy, Ind 344

Joe Malone, FF, 564

Betty Manning, FG 510

Andrew McGuinness, FF 1,266 -elected

Eugene McGuinness, Ind, 176

Anna Michalska, FF, 233

Darren Murphy, FG, 213

Malcolm Noonan, Green 610

Sean O'hArgain, Lab, 357

Roger O'Reilly, Ind, 26

Joe Reidy, FF, 319

Update at 21.50

Joe Malone, FF has been elected on the 2nd Count. That's 3 seats filled now with KK Borough Council

So far we have:

1. Andrew McGuinness, FF

2. Martin Brett, FG

3. Joe Malone, FF

Al.

Purry Cat

Too early to say it's cut and dried, but appears like we're looking at a new Borough Council of:

McGuinness, Coonan, Malone (FF);

Brett, Manning, Cuddihy and Fitzgerald (FG);

Fitzpatrick (Lab);

Noonan (Greens);

Funchion (SF);

and two from Reidy, O hArgain, Greene and Leahy. Am I missing anyone obvious here?

Alzar

Update at 21.10hours

Andrew McGuinness, FF has been elected to the Kilkenny City Electorate Area on the first count

Update at 22.15
Ballyragget Electoral Area
Count 1 Results
Quota- 1453

Maurice Shorthall, Lab, 2,004 - elected
Mary Hilda Cavanagh, FG, 1,824 - elected

Al.

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I'm at a loss as to what the people of the city think they will achieve by further endorsing this already failed party. I'd say only here and Offaly did FF do so well.
There is a lot of hot air surrounding those Mc Guinnesses in my view and very little tangible delivery like jobs or infrastructure.

FG held their own on an already good 04 showing. It is Labour who have polled poorly in the city. Their message has been far too negative with the likes of Fitzpatrick dictating pub opening hours.

Min

mfitzy wrote: »

I'm at a loss as to what the people of the city think they will achieve by further endorsing this already failed party. I'd say only here and Offaly did FF do so well.
There is a lot of hot air surrounding those Mc Guinnesses in my view and very little tangible delivery like jobs or infrastructure.

FG held their own on an already good 04 showing. It is Labour who have polled poorly in the city. Their message has been far too negative with the likes of Fitzpatrick dictating pub opening hours.

McGuinnesses actually get something done if you want it, we had them out and they got infrastructure fixed that needed fixing, then it seemed Phil Hogan saw the work getting done and he sent a letter claiming it was he who had got the work done when it was John McGuinness (when on the council and a TD) who had come out a couple of times to make sure the work got done.
That is a very tangible delivery of infrastructure, in this case it had been a road that had been neglected for decades...since it got fixed the amount of people who use it increased a lot.

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Min wrote: »

McGuinnesses actually get something done if you want it, we had them out and they got infrastructure fixed that needed fixing, then it seemed Phil Hogan saw the work getting done and he sent a letter claiming it was he who had got the work done when it was John McGuinness (when on the council and a TD) who had come out a couple of times to make sure the work got done.
That is a very tangible delivery of infrastructure, in this case it had been a road that had been neglected for decades...since it got fixed the amount of people who use it increased a lot.

Not doubting their work on individual stuff like that and that seems to be whats important in the locals to a big extent.
I'm talking about big hitting stuff like extending the ring road, a new A&E facility at St. Lukes. I have seen very little of that kind delivered for Kilkenny, unfortunately. Maybe they focus solely on local stuff.

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Is this an endorsement of the so called "anti-Cowen" strategy of John McGuinness, especially since he was sacked?

Alzar

Alzar wrote: »

So far we have:

1. Andrew McGuinness, FF

2. Martin Brett, FG

3. Joe Malone, FF

Al.

Make that:

1. Andrew McGuinness, FF

2. Martin Brett, FG

3. Joe Malone, FF

4. John Coonan, FF

5. Malcolm Noonan, Green

6. Marie Fitzpatrick, Lab

Al.

sooshie

ChristIsMurph wrote: »

I have no idea. I haven't been speaking to anyone and I'm not down there myself just yet. Decided rather than waiting around like a nervous wreck that I'd relax at home for a while first!

didnt see you there at all throughout the day........can i ask why??not the count you thought youd get?

sooshie

Absolute Zero wrote: »

sure dont ye kno that the polish one , anna is goin out with mcguiness?

woops did i say that

wheres the proof of that,......hilarious how rumours start:) anna was at the count with her long term boyfriend.....least she wasnt afraid to come out to cillin hill....unlike some:)

sooshie

Min wrote: »

McGuinnesses actually get something done if you want it, we had them out and they got infrastructure fixed that needed fixing, then it seemed Phil Hogan saw the work getting done and he sent a letter claiming it was he who had got the work done when it was John McGuinness (when on the council and a TD) who had come out a couple of times to make sure the work got done.
That is a very tangible delivery of infrastructure, in this case it had been a road that had been neglected for decades...since it got fixed the amount of people who use it increased a lot.

he also got the grants to build the new very big school of the holy spirit....providing jobs and a brill centre of kids with autism....

sooshie

Paul Cuddihy (FG): 937
Marie Fitzpatrick (Lab): 700
Pat Fitzpatrick (Lab): 631
Kathleen Funchion (SF): 667
Frank Kavanagh (Ind): 443
Betty Manning (FG): 979
Andrew McGuinness (FF): 1,808 ELECTED
Eugene McGuinness (Ind): 302
Malcolm Noonan (Green): 1,100
Sean O hArgain (Lab): 552
McGuinness elected.

SECOND COUNT: Distribution of McGuinness's surplus of 543 votes:
Martin Brett (FG): +29 = 1,231
Sean Butler (Lab): +9 = 331
John Coonan (FF): +94 = 1,071
Paul Cuddihy (FG): +14 = 951
Marie Fitzpatrick (Lab): +30 = 730
Pat Fitzpatrick (Lab): +220 = 851
Kathleen Funchion (SF): +31 = 698
Frank Kavanagh (Ind): +13 = 456
Betty Manning (FG): +23 = 1,002
Eugene McGuinness (Ind): +31 = 333
Malcolm Noonan (Green): +34 = 1,134
Sean O hArgain (Lab): +15 = 567
(non-transferable ballots = 0)
Sean Butler is eliminated

what was that.....1,808 ELECTED....... to much to be just a "personal vote" as alot of ye seem to think.....go on andrew:)

Min

mfitzy wrote: »

Is this an endorsement of the so called "anti-Cowen" strategy of John McGuinness, especially since he was sacked?

It is an endorsement of John McGuinness, he is not some sheep who follows blindly. He is vocal, he was vocal about how the things are in the country before he became a junior minister, he was vocal as a junior minister and ultimately he got sacked for being real and being a leader in his own right, FF got a lot of support in the last election. FF would do much better if they had more people like him. There are two wings now in FF, the ones who want to sail along as if keeping things the same will solve the problems both for the country and the party.
Then their are the people like John McGuinness who are not afraid of the word 'change' and with him you can see the honesty and I think that is why he perceived as a rebel, if he followed Brian Cowen and didn't say how he feels he would be just a sheep and the good thing is we dont have a sheep with him.
I am glad he did what he did, it just confirmed I voted for the right person in the last election and I can trust him not to be a blind sheep even when he gets into a ministry.

sooshie

Min wrote: »

It is an endorsement of John McGuinness, he is not some sheep who follows blindly. He is vocal, he was vocal about how the things are in the country before he became a junior minister, he was vocal as a junior minister and ultimately he got sacked for being real and being a leader in his own right, FF got a lot of support in the last election. FF would do much better if they had more people like him. There are two wings now in FF, the ones who want to sail along as if keeping things the same will solve the problems both for the country and the party.
Then their are the people like John McGuinness who are not afraid of the word 'change' and with him you can see the honesty and I think that is why he perceived as a rebel, if he followed Brian Cowen and didn't say how he feels he would be just a sheep and the good thing is we dont have a sheep with him.
I am glad he did what he did, it just confirmed I voted for the right person in the last election and I can trust him not to be a blind sheep even when he gets into a ministry.

HERE HERE

es

sooshie wrote: »

didnt see you there at all throughout the day........can i ask why??not the count you thought youd get?

sooshie wrote: »

wheres the proof of that,......hilarious how rumours start:) anna was at the count with her long term boyfriend.....least she wasnt afraid to come out to cillin hill....unlike some:)

sooshie wrote: »

what was that.....1,808 ELECTED....... to much to be just a "personal vote" as alot of ye seem to think.....go on andrew:)

Considering that you're going out with Andrews brother, I think it's fair to say that your opinion doesn't count. To be honest, if I was Andrew and saw some of these comments (in particular the first one towards Darren Murphy), I'd be very very embarrassed.

sooshie

es wrote: »

Considering that you're going out with Andrews brother, I think it's fair to say that your opinion doesn't count. To be honest, if I was Andrew and saw some of these comments (in particular the first one towards Darren Murphy), I'd be very very embarrassed.

well considering all thro the campaign darren murphy has been giving pathetic digs about andrew, thinking andrew wasnt going to get a seat etc.....i think ive a right to have my say...and no im not emma, im a good friend of hers but not her im afraid.

Sully

Jesus will ye all grow up and cop the **** on. The elections are over ffs, FF got slaughtered across the country which proves what was discussed in this very thread previously. Its clear that a lot of people think the McGuiness are an excellent team for Kilkenny, and if thats the case, then they have every right to be elected.

Anymore whining and winging will result in bans. That includes one hit wonders registering to have digs.

Also, with regards to the personal vote comment, my understanding was that while he got a lot of votes the transfers were not going to other FF candidates. So it seemed he was elected on a personal basis rather then party. I could be wrong, but its what the analysts were saying.

es

sooshie wrote: »

well considering all thro the campaign darren murphy has been giving pathetic digs about andrew, thinking andrew wasnt going to get a seat etc.....i think ive a right to have my say...and no im not emma, im a good friend of hers but not her im afraid.

Fair enough, the musical thing in the other thread plus the link to Andrew suggests otherwise but who cares. I'm an FF supporter by the way, but wouldn't be for much longer if I saw more of this childish tripe.

sooshie

Sully wrote: »

Jesus will ye all grow up and cop the **** on. The elections are over ffs, FF got slaughtered across the country which proves what was discussed in this very thread previously. Its clear that a lot of people think the McGuiness are an excellent team for Kilkenny, and if thats the case, then they have every right to be elected.

Anymore whinning and winging will result in bans. That includes one hit wonders registering to have digs.

well thanks for your comment about the mcguinness....i just feel alot of digs were constantly giving here about andrew before the elections by ppl ,yourself included, and we need our say now. ye all felt he wouldnt get elected, does nothing for the ppl of kk and is riding on the john mcguinness wave etc etc but i feel yesterday proved alot of ppl wrong. we are so so proud of andrew and how well he has done....i can have my say on this post, being a FF supporter doesnt exclude me from this discussion.theres alot of sour grapes me thinks:)

Sully

My comments were about FF in general and the illegal parking by Andrews team (plus him registering an alt account to backup his main account). I stand over those comments and I think its clear when you look at the bigger picture, I was correct.

I don't recall ever saying he wouldn't get elected, but I said FF will suffer which they did.

sooshie

es wrote: »

Fair enough, the musical thing in the other thread plus the link to Andrew suggests otherwise but who cares. I'm an FF supporter by the way, but wouldn't be for much longer if I saw more of this childish tripe.

i can understand what you are saying but if you look thro other threads youll see nothing but posts blackening andrews name i just felt the need to now have my say. its now said, ill say no more only to reply.
can completly understand you thinkin i was emma for the musical resons etc.... thats how i know here from the society.

sooshie

Sully wrote: »

My comments were about FF in general and the illegal parking by Andrews team (plus him registering an alt account to backup his main account). I stand over those comments and I think its clear when you look at the bigger picture, I was correct.

I don't recall ever saying he wouldn't get elected, but I said FF will suffer which they did.

there was alot said by other ppl to...the results spoke mountains....ive had my say and ill say no more

Sully

sooshie wrote: »

i can understand what you are saying but if you look thro other threads youll see nothing but posts blackening andrews name i just felt the need to now have my say. its now said, ill say no more only to reply.
can completly understand you thinkin i was emma for the musical resons etc.... thats how i know here from the society.

I did.. the comments seemed directed at his teams parking and FF in general. They were correct. I stopped plenty more pictures of his parking being posted (people PMing me asking can they post) as we covered that ground. The McGuinesses are FFs only success - despite Andrews father being given the sack from FF, id have dropped the FF badge personally after that.

I only know of them, I hear good things (before the election). Its clear judging by the results, the people on the ground in Kilkenny backup what I hear and will live with his parking.

Btw, did Darren get elected in the end?

Sully

Min wrote: »

It is an endorsement of John McGuinness, he is not some sheep who follows blindly. He is vocal, he was vocal about how the things are in the country before he became a junior minister, he was vocal as a junior minister and ultimately he got sacked for being real and being a leader in his own right, FF got a lot of support in the last election. FF would do much better if they had more people like him. There are two wings now in FF, the ones who want to sail along as if keeping things the same will solve the problems both for the country and the party.
Then their are the people like John McGuinness who are not afraid of the word 'change' and with him you can see the honesty and I think that is why he perceived as a rebel, if he followed Brian Cowen and didn't say how he feels he would be just a sheep and the good thing is we dont have a sheep with him.
I am glad he did what he did, it just confirmed I voted for the right person in the last election and I can trust him not to be a blind sheep even when he gets into a ministry.

While I agree with you, why didnt the McGuiness pull away from FF? By remaining in the party and giving the party probably the best news of these elections, you have shown no hard feelings to Brian Cowen and will happily stand by him and FF for what was done. Fair play I guess.