airfrance plane dissappears off the radar

patrickc

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0601/airfrance.html

An Air France plane on its way from Brazil to Paris has not arrived and has disappeared from radar screens, a spokeswoman for the Paris airports authority said.
The plane was expected in Paris at 10.10am Irish time.
Its last known location was unclear. However, it disappeared from from Brazilian radar at around 2.30am Irish time after after about three to 3.5 hours of flight.
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That flying time would mean controllers lost track of the plane while it was relatively close to Brazil, rather than nearer its destination in France.
Flight AF 447 had 228 people on board. An Air France-KLM spokeswoman in Amsterdam said there had been no radio contact with the missing plane 'for a while'.
Brazilian television said the Brazilian air force had started a search mission over the Atlantic Ocean for the plane.
An air force spokesman said planes had taken off from the island of Fernando de Noronha off Brazil's northeast coast to look for the Air France jet.
Air France said relatives of people travelling on board flight AF 447 were being taken care of in a special area of Charles de Gaulle airport.
The plane was an Airbus 330-200.




feck thats not good, i'm not a big fan of flying anyhow, but that scares me, hopefully they'll find the plane before it's too late

Terry

patrickc wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0601/airfrance.html

An Air France plane on its way from Brazil to Paris has not arrived and has disappeared from radar screens, a spokeswoman for the Paris airports authority said.
The plane was expected in Paris at 10.10am Irish time.
Its last known location was unclear. However, it disappeared from from Brazilian radar at around 2.30am Irish time after after about three to 3.5 hours of flight.
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That flying time would mean controllers lost track of the plane while it was relatively close to Brazil, rather than nearer its destination in France.
Flight AF 447 had 228 people on board. An Air France-KLM spokeswoman in Amsterdam said there had been no radio contact with the missing plane 'for a while'.
Brazilian television said the Brazilian air force had started a search mission over the Atlantic Ocean for the plane.
An air force spokesman said planes had taken off from the island of Fernando de Noronha off Brazil's northeast coast to look for the Air France jet.
Air France said relatives of people travelling on board flight AF 447 were being taken care of in a special area of Charles de Gaulle airport.
The plane was an Airbus 330-200.




feck thats not good, i'm not a big fan of flying anyhow, but that scares me, hopefully they'll find the plane before it's too late

Ben Linus knows where it is.

There seems to be a lot of plane crashes these days :eek:

aidan_walsh

Air France have apparently since put out a statement saying they reckon it went down with little hope of survivors.

Rented Mule

aidan_walsh wrote: »

Air France have apparently since put out a statement saying they reckon it went down with little hope of survivors.

That should put the families of the passengers at ease.

I chose to fly with Air France next month instead of Turkish Airlines, thinking the former would be the safer option...

North_West_Art

I have flown trns Atlantic with them before to Toronto. Lightening hit an Air France plane as it approached to land at Toronto in 2005 and it over shot the runway and ended up in a ditch but no one was injured.

Mark200

That's ****

There's a picture on this page that shows the route it should have taken:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/01/air-france-crash-a330-brazil

Mark200

[quote=[Deleted User];60488588]I chose to fly with Air France next month instead of Turkish Airlines, thinking the former would be the safer option...[/QUOTE]

I doubt it....

One crash out of how many flights? It doesn't automatically make their entire fleet unsafe.

minidazzler

[quote=[Deleted User];60488588]I chose to fly with Air France next month instead of Turkish Airlines, thinking the former would be the safer option...[/QUOTE]

What's the worst that could happen, lightning doesn't strike twice does it?


http://www.newser.com/story/4982/lightning-strikes-same-man-twice.html


I say fly with them, but don't trust them, they are French.

here.from.day.1

Terrible tragedy. Hopefully there are some survivors, if not rest in peace.

Terry

[quote=[Deleted User];60488588]I chose to fly with Air France next month instead of Turkish Airlines, thinking the former would be the safer option...[/QUOTE]
The odds are with you.
The chance of another Air France crash in the next year or so are very slim.

Gummy Panda

maybe they've ended up on some mysterious island like Lost

patrickc

just looking at it on skynews there, they cant say the nationalities yet, but there could be irish on it for all we know, lots transfer from CDG with air france.

he said we are probably facing a catrasophe, last contact was 3.30 am not good...

Terry

Terry wrote: »

The odds are with you.
The chance of another Air France crash in the next year or so are very slim.

Indeed, that is true. What sad news in any case, imagine going to meet relatives at the airport to be told this. I know a lot of my former students used this route to get to Dublin so I guess there would be a lot of Brazilians resident in Ireland on board as well as French and other European tourists...

af_thefragile

Looks like a new way to cut down on immigrants!!

el rabitos

minidazzler wrote: »

What's the worst that could happen

they could run into those nasty "others"

Sharpshooter

Terry wrote: »

Ben Linus knows where it is.

Indeed, we need to find sayeed he'll get the info out of ben.

When planes disappear like that are they always found?

partyatmygaff

Looks like its heading to be a mystery which will never be solved a - la bermuda triangle disappearances.


Pretty strange, the plane could of just exploded in mid-air which I doubt
or
Crash landed on a remote island
or
Somehow rose into orbit?

Aidric

I was just watching the analysis on BBC news there. The Crew made radio contact a couple of hours in to the flight indicating a short circuit failure. This would mean a massive electrical failure possibly caused by being struck from lightning. The chances of survival are slim.

RandolphEsq

Sharpshooter wrote: »

Indeed, we need to find sayeed he'll get the info out of ben.

When planes disappear like that are they always found?

I hate LOST

iguana

Rented Mule wrote: »

That should put the families of the passengers at ease.

They are saying that because even if the plane was only running on one engine it would have run out of fuel several hours ago. There is no way the plane is still in the air and there was no where for it to land. It's extremely unlikely that anyone is still alive and it is probably better for their loved ones to know that there isn't really any hope.

af_thefragile

Aidric wrote: »

I was just watching the analysis on BBC news there. The Crew made radio contact a couple of hours in to the flight indicating a short circuit failure. This would mean a massive electrical failure possibly caused by being struck from lightning. The chances of survival are slim.

Lighting usually shouldn't effect the plane's electricals as the plane's body acts as a faraday's cage.

Most probably the plane crashed into the sea. Which is quite sad...

iguana wrote: »

They are saying that because even if the plane was only running on one engine it would have run out of fuel several hours ago. There is no way the plane is still in the air and there was no where for it to land. It's extremely unlikely that anyone is still alive and it is probably better for their loved ones to know that there isn't really any hope.

Plane could land on the water...

ctrl-alt-delete

Somalian Pirates anyone?

Stench Blossoms

af_thefragile wrote: »

Plane could land on the water...

I always wondered about this. Would it not sink?

Fringe

They're made to float. Hence, the point of lifejackets and those slides.

iguana

af_thefragile wrote: »

Plane could land on the water...

Planes very rarely land safely on the water. Last January's US Airways crash landing into the Hudson was highly unusual. And there is a huge difference between landing on a calm river in daylight and landing in the ocean, in storm at night. Sadly the strong likelihood is that passengers and crew are all dead.

ctrl-alt-delete

Mr.S wrote: »

Could the plane not have landed on water (like the American one that landed on the river), and their just waiting for somone to turn up?

Sky had a retired BA pilot on, it is possible to land in the sea yeah, obviously much more difficult than tarmac, and a lot more difficult than landing in the hudson river because of the swell,

he said there are procedures for landing at sea, but given it took place in the hours of darkness, it would be very very difficult.

af_thefragile

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

Somalian Pirates anyone?

They've even got planes now!!! :pac:

IvyTheTerrible

af_thefragile wrote: »

Looks like a new way to cut down on immigrants!!

I don't know, but probably too soon...

TPD

orla wrote: »

I always wondered about this. Would it not sink?

After a while I think. Sure they have life jackets under the seats, must be able to float long enough to get people out.

homerjay2005

terrible tragedy. still doesnt put me off flying though, i love it, i have 20 hours of flying coming up in the next 10 days.

geuro

af_thefragile wrote: »

Looks like a new way to cut down on immigrants!!

you're an idiot

ctrl-alt-delete

TPD wrote: »

After a while I think. Sure they have life jackets under the seats, must be able to float long enough to get people out.

I'm fairly sure the staff are trained not to open the back doors when laqnding on water, this helps,

also the fuel and air (located in the wings) are both lighter than water so this helps it maintain buoyancy,

it will eventually sink as you say though.

homerjay2005

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

I'm fairly sure the staff are trained not to open the back doors when laqnding on water, this helps,

also the fuel and air (located in the wings) are both lighter than water so this helps it maintain buoyancy,

it will eventually sink as you say though.

when the plane landed in the hudson, it stayed afloat for a while, long enough for the people to be rescued. however, as mentioned, landing in an ocean is more difficult. a few years ago, a hijakced plane ran out of fuel and crash landed in the ocean, there were many survivors. only issue here would be that if peiople survived, they have bene in the water for 12 hours at this stage.

Mark200

I think the one that landed in the Hudson (calm water), sunk within an hour or something. And they said after that if any of them had been in the water for a few minutes they could have died just from how cold it was.

dr.bollocko

af_thefragile wrote: »

Looks like a new way to cut down on immigrants!!

Please quit trolling comments like the above.

geuro wrote: »

you're an idiot

And here's why. Banned.

Rabies

geuro wrote: »

you're an idiot

No. Its AH. He is making light of the situation.



edit:

Rabies; the AH mod that doesn't do any work.

Ta daaaaaaa.

IvyTheTerrible

homerjay2005 wrote: »

when the plane landed in the hudson, it stayed afloat for a while, long enough for the people to be rescued. however, as mentioned, landing in an ocean is more difficult. a few years ago, a hijakced plane ran out of fuel and crash landed in the ocean, there were many survivors. only issue here would be that if peiople survived, they have bene in the water for 12 hours at this stage.

Actually the thing that was interesting about that hijacked plane crash was that more people would have survived if they'd been listening to the safety talk before the flight and NOT inflated their life jackets before they got out of the plane.

dr.bollocko

My first thought was to mail people the link saying "May contain lost spoilers."
Now they all think I'm a callous bastard.

Rabies

I hope they like human flesh.

Mrmoe

af_thefragile wrote: »

Looks like a new way to cut down on immigrants!!

But what about our supplies of coke and hookers? This is a sad, sad day.

Mark200

Wow the Lost jokes just keep getting more original :rolleyes:

Anyway... for anyone trying to come up with more... it's the wrong ocean for a start.

Mrmoe

Mark200 wrote: »

Wow the Lost jokes just keep getting more original :rolleyes:

Anyway... for anyone trying to come up with more... it's the wrong ocean for a start.

what do you expect, they are lost, must have been a female pilot.

Rabies

but the island moves

so does the plane.

so does the earth.

oh oh... maybe they all moved to the same point and place in time.

Can't wait for the next episode.

mick.fr

FIY the plane did not go off of radars since there is no radar stations in the Atlantic sea to monitor civilian flights.
The plane was 7 hours into flight when they lost contact.
Pilots are supposed to make a radio contact to some airports regularly to indicate their positions and also give an estimation of arrival to points X, Y, Z...No radio contact was made after some time.

An automated message was sent by the plane computer to Air France Control Station in Roissy to indicate a full electric system failure.
Pilots did not make any radio call. Analysts in France are saying even with full electric failure, batteries should still have been available.

The plane has also several redudancies in terms of electric cables. Each electric function has like 6 redudancies.

Anyway that's all we know right now.

af_thefragile

Mrmoe wrote: »

But what about our supplies of coke and hookers? This is a sad, sad day.

Doesn't that come from East Europe rather than South America?
Though I guess a lot of drugs come from South America.

thebman

I don't really think it is all that relevant unless you knew people on it if they are Irish or not.

Fact is there were people on it and they'll have families and many people effected by the crash.

If it went missing mid-atlantic there is little hope of any survivors. Hope they find the black box so they can work out what went wrong.

dr.bollocko

thebman wrote: »

I don't really think it is all that relevant unless you knew people on it if they are Irish or not.

Fact is there were people on it and they'll have families and many people effected by the crash.

If it went missing mid-atlantic there is little hope of any survivors. Hope they find the black box so they can work out what went wrong.

Apparently an automatically generated message indicating electronic failure was the last communication with the plane some 4 hours after take off. The plane was going through strong turbulence. One of the theories is that it was struck by lightning.

Mark200

With all the gps systems in cars these days you'd think they'd stick one on every plane.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2008-10-10-airlines-gps_N.htm

af_thefragile

Mark200 wrote: »

With all the gps systems in cars these days you'd think they'd stick one on every plane.

I think planes do have GPS...