Does anyone else do classical studies ?

meathawk

Basically for the last two years, I 've had a terrible classics teacher and we haven't even fully covered the Aeneid nevermind The Táin.Does anyone out there have anY tips or even predictions about what to look out for ?I unfortunately have to squeeze all my classics and physics into a 4 day period .
*Moderator Classical Studies is too obscure a subject so please don't sticky this*

ImJohn

Yeah I do it, I've got a bunch of predictions but I don't have them with me atm so I'll post them up later. Do you have any predictions aswell?

Gi joe!

Yeh I'm doin classics aswell, pretty difficult to predict that exam seems very random, just make sure at the least you have covered
-all the battles covered for Alexander(nearly guaranted question)
-the roman theme, pietas and fate comes up often with the Aeneid
-the 3 Theban plays are quite short so you could get them covered very well in the next few days
-archictecture stuff like temples and baths didn't come up last year, I'm not doing it though cause I despise that crap
-Alexander character question-good bad qualities etc(sorry vague I know)

Pretty basic I know, but its a starting point. Good luck!

meathawk

some good advice there guys thanks
The only predictions i have really gotten are:
Alexander's greek campaign's (useful for a qualities questions too )
Sieges (Tyre,Halicarnassus)
Mutinies(Hydrapses,Opus)

Architecture
Ostia
Palmyra
Pantheon
Both arches
Bathing process
Those lovely bowled fruit paintings

sin sin

Anyone do latin literature ?

errlloyd

Hard to narrow down the second question on Alexander, but you should be able to just do real good essays on Granicus and Guagamela to try nail half marks.

Theban plays are piss as always. I beleive 1992 was the last time the Chorus in Medea came up. Jason and Medea were both on last year, so I think we could be cool

Prometheus I hear might be a particular scene, possibly IO.

The parthenon and one archaic free standing Kore are the predictions in Greek Art and Arch if you do it.

Greek Poetry is anyones guess, I won't talk about that ********.

meathawk

I wish I did greek architecture.I hate town planning.

ImJohn

Alexander:

Gedrosian dessert, burning of Persopholis, Tyre, Philip-Olympia, deaths of Parmenio+ Philotas, mallian fortress, granicus, policy of fusion. (in order)

Athens at war:

Plataeans, Melian debate, Plague, Amphopolus, Mytaleyne debate. (in order)

Epics:

Loyalty+disloyalty, duty in Aneid, Why suitors deserve their punishment, treatment of dido or compare with Circe, Odysseus master of invention, athena. (in order)

Plato

Women, Qualities required + final education, magnificent myth, Dionysis, ideal state possible, censorship of storys + music. (in order)

wowiee

gibbsy?

BLARG

I don't get how you're supposed to write huge essays on some of these Alexander Questions... like Persepolis.. You could say he was coaxed by Thais etc. etc. and that he regretted it, but how do you flesh it out for more than a page?
also is policy of fusion the mass marriages?

ImJohn

Yeah thats the main part of it. If none of these essays come up I'm seriously ****ed!!! I'm going to have to learn like 20 essays in 3 days for classics. Remember too, only spend 22 mins on each essay no matter where you are in the essay, when it hits the 20 min mark start making out your conclusion.

Gi joe!

BLARG wrote: »

I don't get how you're supposed to write huge essays on some of these Alexander Questions... like Persepolis.. You could say he was coaxed by Thais etc. etc. and that he regretted it, but how do you flesh it out for more than a page?
also is policy of fusion the mass marriages?

I think his policy of fusion is pretty much the forms of Orientalism Alexander adopted -marraiges,
-prostration
-worshipping their gods
-training of pages,
-the culture(Persian dress and drinking)
-maybe the appointing of Persian soldiers into his army like Coenus

and why he took them
-Persians believed that he was a god
-unite macedonians and persians-marraiges etc
-make sure the Persian states don't revolt

BLARG

Gi joe! wrote: »

I think his policy of fusion is pretty much the forms of Orientalism Alexander adopted -marraiges,
-prostration
-worshipping their gods
-training of pages,
-the culture(Persian dress and drinking)
-maybe the appointing of Persian soldiers into his army like Coenus

and why he took them
-Persians believed that he was a god
-unite macedonians and persians-marraiges etc
-make sure the Persian states don't revolt

ah k. that's an approachable Question.

lorna100

ImJohn wrote: »

Alexander:
Plato

Women, Qualities required + final education, magnificent myth, Dionysis, ideal state possible, censorship of storys + music. (in order)

Id more say first principles & civilised society, guardians way of life, ideal state, specialised society
Women came up in 06, defo not my number one.
Whats the magnificant myth?
Ans is dionysis covered in the letters socrate/plato writes? (not doing that part of the section)

ImJohn

lorna100 wrote: »

Id more say first principles & civilised society, guardians way of life, ideal state, specialised society
Women came up in 06, defo not my number one.
Whats the magnificant myth?
Ans is dionysis covered in the letters socrate/plato writes? (not doing that part of the section)

I don't have a clue what the magnificent myth is, it's my teachers predictions, I have an essay on it somewhere, I'll post it up during the weekend if I have some spare time. Yup your right about Dionysis, how he made it difficult for Plato in Syrause, discuss... you should talk about how Plato was sent to help him but it was only to enhance his reputation and he still remained a tyrant. You could include the letter too. I could post up an sample essay on that too over the weekend.

Also another question that might come up: Philosophers either useless or dangerous.

melekalikimaka

jasus it hasnt changed much since 2003.... i wouldnt worry folks... its a waffle fest:D

lorna100

ImJohn wrote: »

I don't have a clue what the magnificent myth is, it's my teachers predictions, I have an essay on it somewhere, I'll post it up during the weekend if I have some spare time. Yup your right about Dionysis, how he made it difficult for Plato in Syrause, discuss... you should talk about how Plato was sent to help him but it was only to enhance his reputation and he still remained a tyrant. You could include the letter too. I could post up an sample essay on that too over the weekend.

Also another question that might come up: Philosophers either useless or dangerous.

that would be fab if you could, no worries if you dont get the time though, even bullet points would do. thanks!

Ramey

Hey!

I think I'm doing fine in the Leaving Certificate so far, I just need to do well in classics(easier said than done!).

Barely anyone does classics and it would be nice if someone else had some predictions to post them here, because our teacher refused to; and I really really need them, such a vast course to study..

Anyway, thanks a lot!

Hope to hear some nice predictions soon.:pac:

lorna100

lorna100 wrote: »

Id more say first principles & civilised society, guardians way of life, ideal state, specialised society
Women came up in 06, defo not my number one.
Whats the magnificant myth?
Ans is dionysis covered in the letters socrate/plato writes? (not doing that part of the section)

sorry had my facts wrong - women came up in 04 - its now my number one!

kirt

i do it aswell..really want to get an a in it but i don't see that happening,
it depends on how it goes on the day i suppose..
the only predictions i can remember are

alexanders greek campaigns
gedrosian desert
tyre
thebes

But i have five days now to study so i'm going to go over the entire course..Its the only way i can go in feeling confident enough that i'll do well..

THE STRESS!! the course is SO MASSIVE.
and the weird layout of essays means i never know if i've done well or not..

plus i am only studying medea and oedipus so i have no choice really in that section..noooo
i can feel the stress already!

Gi joe!

kirt wrote: »

i do it aswell..really want to get an a in it but i don't see that happening,
it depends on how it goes on the day i suppose..
the only predictions i can remember are

alexanders greek campaigns
gedrosian desert
tyre
thebes

But i have five days now to study so i'm going to go over the entire course..Its the only way i can go in feeling confident enough that i'll do well..

THE STRESS!! the course is SO MASSIVE.
and the weird layout of essays means i never know if i've done well or not..

plus i am only studying medea and oedipus so i have no choice really in that section..noooo
i can feel the stress already!

You have more than enough time to cover Prometheus Bound in the play section, its by far the shortest and most straightforward one out of them all(which is why its my favourite):D

ImJohn

I'll post up the essay tomorrow.

I'm so nervous for classics, I'm just studying the predictions. If anyone who did classics last year could tell us if the predictions made last year were correct than I'd feel a lot more comfortable.

meathawk

Yeah I really need to do well in Classics so I might just concentrate on the predictions.What else can I do?Can anyone who did it last year enlighten us as to how last years predictions faired for the 2008 paper?

lorna100

Not sure about last year but my sister did it two years ago and I think only 2 of the predictions came up. She still got a b1 though, so I wouldnt worry too much.
Need an a1 but am pretty much just going on predictions, think it will be ok. Dont have time to cover the whole course!

ImJohn

Guys I made out an essay for Dionysis (plato) if anyone wants it let me know here and I'll pm you it.

If anyone has any essays they want me to write up, lemme know now so I can try and get it done tonight.

kirt

yeah i probably would have time, we did the frogs in class but its just too political and boring and i hate it. so im sticking to oedipus and medea. might just look over the frogs to be sure..
my teacher predicted that the pantheon/ara pacis in art and architecture would come up anyone else get that prediction?

lorna100

Imjohn, could you Pm the plato answer to me please?
Thankyou!

Gi joe!

Whats everyone studying for the Aeneid and the Odyssey, if they're doing them?

ImJohn

lorna100 wrote: »

Imjohn, could you Pm the plato answer to me please?
Thankyou!

Sent.

How does Homer build his case against the suitors and makes us feel that they deserve their terrible punishment.

Characteristic quality is one of a strong sense of duty:

1. Discuss.
2. Does this make Aeneas an less interesting hero?

Loyalty is key to the Odyssey and is rewarded throughout and the opposite brings harsh punishment.

Discuss.

Aeneas behaviour toward Dido
How is Didos tragedy is heightened in the story.

k8hm

Hey, would you be able to PM me the plato answer please?

Secoundrow

no offence but god why would you do a subject like that over something thats remotly useful in life???:o

Gi joe!

Secoundrow wrote: »

no offence but god why would you do a subject like that over something thats remotly useful in life???:o

Simple, its interesting and a good points subject:)

errlloyd

Here we go with the prediction board for Alexander.

A few things to note, questions about "the character of Alexander" include very specific questions on his character.

In 06 issus and the army was one question, in 07... I dunno why I marked that.

I might have made 1 or 2 small mistakes, but on the whole its solid.

Gi joe!

I'm wondering, could they ask a whole question on Philotas? I mean, theres the conspiracy he was involved in and thats pretty much it?

errlloyd

Check the 2003 chief examiners report. They asked general plots on that one, and its pretty good for sample answers and opinion (also for the heavily tipped gedrosian desert)

www.examinations.ie

ImJohn

I think if you cover Tyre, Persopholis, key deaths, and Gerdrosian desert you should be fine.

wowiee

if they were to ask a question on the secondary characters in Alexander like Roxanne, Tias, hephaistion etc..how do you think they would ask it?

errlloyd

I think they would phrase it...

"The classical studies examiner is a complete and utter wanker, discuss this in relation to Roxanne"

BLARG

Page 157 is a very interesting page in both The Odyssey and The Aeneid. Compare page 157 of the Odyssey with page 157 of the Aeneid.

lorna100

wowiee wrote: »

if they were to ask a question on the secondary characters in Alexander like Roxanne, Tias, hephaistion etc..how do you think they would ask it?

who in gods name is tias?! :eek:

k8hm

hey does anyone have anything on Hyphasis is the Alexander section please?? I can't find anything on it in my notes and it's never come up before!!!

BLARG

k8hm wrote: »

hey does anyone have anything on Hyphasis is the Alexander section please?? I can't find anything on it in my notes and it's never come up before!!!

http://www.livius.org/aj-al/alexander/alexander_t20.html

Col Man

Sorry did someone say "easy points" was a reason to do this subject? Oh man no way....

Col Man

Alexander is gay....

Literally...

Sorry that was a poor joke. Good luck in classical folks

errlloyd

BLARG wrote: »

http://www.livius.org/aj-al/alexander/alexander_t20.html

Hyphasis has come up, it was a mistake on the table.

k8hm

oh, ok any idea what year it came up?

errlloyd

Yeah the battle has never come up. The mutiny however came up in 08 and 01. Banterous really.

Hmm tbh should probably glance at the battle, I must say thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Col Man

Lol mate, how are you gonna glance at the battle? It's been over for years, and they forgot to record it!

That's right, forgot. According to Arrian, Alexander also invented the video camera. Legend.

errlloyd

Yeah its Grando, Colin Farrell was actually around at the time, LEGEND.

Col Man

Arrian says that Alexander invented the Colin Farrell.

It makes sense. Just think about it harder.

errlloyd

Arrian says a lot of stuff, Colman don't you have applied maths to study for?

Or are you on msn.

Col Man

Just doing past papers now my friend. It's good craic really. Got music too, I think two past papers in AM today is good, maybe music most of tomorrow with one past paper of AM thrown in? Sorted sorted.