Church lectured us on condoms etc while children were being raped

McArmalite

Now I know that their have been other threads on the institutional abuse of children by the Catholic Church, but listening to TV3 Good Morning Ireland a person emailed in the above and also mentioned how they were preaching to us about the evils of divource - at the same time the great family man Haughey was supporting them and talking about " Irish family values " :rolleyes: Words defie me.
I was going thru my teens when all of this was going on, and I remember the sheer frustration of wondering when this bloody place was going to pull itself into the 20th century.
Bad and all as that was, when I think of the extremism and fanatism of the Catholic Church to be lecturing us on contraceptives while children were raped and molested across the country, all I can compare us to is the fanatical hypocrisy of states like Saudi Arabia, Iran etc.

Sam Vimes

Of course they were against contraception, you don't need it if your victim is male, duh

Dennis the Stone

The Catholic Church, fanatically supportive and protective of the life and welfare of a child, but only before it's born.

After that, to hell with it.

Jet Black

Its in the bible priest's can do whatever they want. Check the small print in the back.

4zn76tysfajdxp

In other news, the sky is blue.

Gillo

Sam Vimes wrote: »

Of course they were against contraception, you don't need it if your victim is male, duh

What about the aids?
One teaspoon of superaids up the ass and your fuc£ed

Sam Vimes

Gillo wrote: »

What about the aids?
One teaspoon of superaids up the ass and your fuc£ed

Don't be silly. This was all before god invented aids to punish gay people

The_Minister

In fairness <5% of priests actually raped anybody.

Most of them just beat people.


And that condom policy would have been set in Rome, by the Pope and his cardinals, who had no children to rape.

So, to answer your OP, it's not weird that the Church was lecturing on condoms because
(1) If they hadn't then the Vatican would have investigated;
and
(2) Most priests knew about the beatings and the slaps etc, but you can bet that most did not know about the sodomy.

What probably happened is that those priests who were gay/paedophiles volunteered for the jobs that involved working with children (most priests never did that kind of work), and so you had schools where most of the staff were willing to look the other way/ cover for each other/ make sure that the staff who were not in on it, never found out.

Oh, and you had a State and a people who didn't give a rats.

EDIT: And, since of course we only really understand the nature of recidivism in sexual predators recently, and since the Church could never admit that it had paedophiles as priests (probably not even to themselves), they thought a change of scenery would fix the problem :rolleyes:. Probably only the Bishops or higher would have been able to see the patterns of abuse, and most of the time the abuser was moved out of a diocese (is that spelt right?) meaning that it was now another Bishop's problem, and the first Bishop never heard of any repeat attacks.
Thus, what should have been easily discovered, was kept hidden.
And then when the Church did notice, it did exactly what it shouldn't - it tried to save face.
It tried to deal with these things in-house, and, well, we all know how that went.

Tago Mago

Tago Mago wrote: »

The Catholic Church, fanatically supportive and protective of the life and welfare of a child, but only before it's born.

After that, to hell with it.

Well what else are they gonna ride?

General Zod

The_Minister wrote: »

What probably happened is that those priests who were gay/paedophiles volunteered for the jobs that involved working with children (most priests never did that kind of work), and so you had schools where the staff were willing to look the other way/ cover for each other/ make sure that the staff who were not in on it, never found out.

Oh, and you had a State and a people who didn't give a rats.

being gay doesn't make you a paedophile.

SoWatchaWant

McArmalite wrote: »

Now I know that their have been other threads on the institutional abuse of children by the Catholic Church, but listening to TV3 Good Morning Ireland a person emailed in the above and also mentioned how they were preaching to us about the evils of divource - at the same time the great family man Haughey was supporting them and talking about " Irish family values " :rolleyes: Words defie me.
I was going thru my teens when all of this was going on, and I remember the sheer frustration of wondering when this bloody place was going to pull itself into the 20th century.
Bad and all as that was, when I think of the extremism and fanatism of the Catholic Church to be lecturing us on contraceptives while children were raped and molested across the country, all I can compare us to is the fanatical hypocrisy of states like Saudi Arabia, Iran etc.

Yup, the Church are *****.

The_Minister

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

Well what else are they gonna ride?

Wives, if the Church will stop being so stubborn.

Gillo

Sam Vimes wrote: »

Don't be silly. This was all before god invented aids to punish gay people

But didn't it start in monkeys? Does that mean that monkeys are gay?
or did he decide to pi$$ off the tree huggers and test the aids on animals first?

I'm starting to like this god dude, does he post on boards too.

Maybe it's all a big accident, on day the priest dudes brought the kids to the zoo (handy cover), the zoo keeper let the kids cuddle a monkey but when the priest had a go, he got a little carried away.

markok84

The_Minister wrote: »

In fairness <5% of priests actually raped anybody.

Exactly and if there is, let say 20 million priests in the world thats only like.... 1 million priests... Shur that's nothing really.

The_Minister

General Zod wrote: »

being gay doesn't make you a paedophile.

I was using '/' in an either/or fashion. 15/16/17 year olds were raped too.

Gillo

markok84 wrote: »

Exactly and if there is, let say 20 million priests in the world thats only like.... 1 million priests... Shur that's nothing really.

Anyone know a good stockbroker, I'm buying shares in Tayto:D

Donny5

The_Minister wrote: »

(2) Most priests knew about the beatings and the slaps etc, but you can bet that most did not know about the sodomy.

Naïveté codified.

The_Minister

markok84 wrote: »

Exactly and if there is, let say 20 million priests in the world thats only like.... 1 million priests... Shur that's nothing really.

5% is the highest possible figure. The real figure could be less then 1%.

And even if it is a million, there are 19 million priests who didn't.
They don't deserve to be labeled as paedophiles.

General Zod

The_Minister wrote: »

I was using '/' in an either/or fashion. 15/16/17 year olds were raped too.

That's still child abuse mate. The motives are the same.

The_Minister

General Zod wrote: »

That's still child abuse mate. The motives are the same.

I see a difference in a man having sex with a nine year old boy, and a man having sex with a sixteen year old boy.
If it's rape, then the first man is a paedophile, the second man is probably just gay.

Mr.Lizard

More condoms = less catholics. It was just basic self-preservation.

Donny5

The_Minister wrote: »

5% is the highest possible figure. The real figure could be less then 1%.

Any source for this, or is it speculation?

netwhizkid

Jeez, some people have real chips on their shoulders. Being debaptised, removing god from the Constitution, lambasting the pope because he was forced into the Hitler youth. The amount of people that love to bash the church is unbelievable. We don't want to hear whatever grudge you have against them, these things happened in the past and belong there. There were bad priests but most are good and have still the church does more good than harm.

You are entitled to be whatever religion you want or lack of for that matter so why continue to bash and degrade something others hold in a better light. Go write to the Editor on the Irish Independent or something, whinging on an internet board will get you nowhere in your vendetta against the church, but it sure of hell p's alot of people off. Most people don't want to hear it and the saying goes "talk to the hand cause the face ain't listening".

General Zod

The_Minister wrote: »

I see a difference in a man having sex with a nine year old boy, and a man having sex with a sixteen year old boy.
If it's rape, then the first man is a paedophile, the second man is probably just gay.

Rape is a power thing, it's rarely about sexuality.

markok84

The_Minister wrote: »

5% is the highest possible figure. The real figure could be less then 1%.

And even if it is a million, there are 19 million priests who didn't.
They don't deserve to be labeled as paedophiles.

I think you'll find that 100% is the highest possible figure, besides 1% is too high. It's time the state made a decent gesture and removed the church completely from the education system in Ireland.

General Zod

netwhizkid wrote: »

. Go write to the Editor on the Irish Independent or something, whinging on an internet board will get you nowhere in your vendetta against the church, but it sure of hell p's alot of people off. Most people don't want to hear it and the saying goes "talk to the hand cause the face ain't listening".

aye, let's just sweep it all under a carpet and it'll go away.

General Zod

markok84 wrote: »

I think you'll find that 100% is the highest possible figure, besides 1% is too high. It's time the state made a decent jester and removed the church completely from the education system in Ireland.

gesture, the state has been jester to the church for long enough

The_Minister

Donny5 wrote: »

Any source for this, or is it speculation?

It's an estimate that I heard on the radio a while back.

What you have to remember is that most priests worked in libraries etc, and never really came into contact with children. The numbers who worked in schools were actually quite low, and most of them didn't rape anybody.

Also, most rapists were serial attackers, with numerous victims.
It only takes one rapist working over several years to do alot of damage.

It's mad how some RC's can defend this really. I mean, if the church was lying about something so important, what else could they be lying about eh? Hmmm

markok84

General Zod wrote: »

gesture, the state has been jester to the church for long enough

Nice play on words.

The_Minister

General Zod wrote: »

Rape is a power thing, it's rarely about sexuality.

I've always thought that that was rubbish, since most rapes are the result someone who is known for the victim having sex with them while drunk (stranger rape is in the minority), but even if it is true who you rape is determined by your sexuality.

Sam Vimes

Gillo wrote: »

But didn't it start in monkeys? Does that mean that monkeys are gay?
or did he decide to pi$$ off the tree huggers and test the aids on animals first?

It did come from monkeys but don't tell them that. We all know their position on things coming from monkeys

The_Minister

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

It's mad how some RC's can defend this really. I mean, if the church was lying about something so important, what else could they be lying about eh? Hmmm

I'm an athiest actually.

General Zod

The_Minister wrote: »

but even if it is true who you rape is determined by your sexuality.

For a lot of the clerical abusers, it was determined by what was available to them.

The_Minister

General Zod wrote: »

For a lot of the clerical abusers, it was determined by what was available to them.

I'm sure they could have transferred to an institution where the residents were more appealing to them.

We

The_Minister wrote: »

In fairness <5% of priests actually raped anybody.

<5%... if that statistic applied to the Irish population we'd be talking about between 1 and 225,000 child rapists running around...

That statistic should in no way be used in the church's defence...

Fiend-Foe

McArmalite wrote: »

Now I know that their have been other threads on the institutional abuse of children by the Catholic Church, but listening to TV3 Good Morning Ireland a person emailed in the above and also mentioned how they were preaching to us about the evils of divource - at the same time the great family man Haughey was supporting them and talking about " Irish family values " :rolleyes: Words defie me.
I was going thru my teens when all of this was going on, and I remember the sheer frustration of wondering when this bloody place was going to pull itself into the 20th century.
Bad and all as that was, when I think of the extremism and fanatism of the Catholic Church to be lecturing us on contraceptives while children were raped and molested across the country, all I can compare us to is the fanatical hypocrisy of states like Saudi Arabia, Iran etc.

My parents split shortly after I was born and weren't able to divorce until 1995.

Bloody joke, caused so much more pain and hassle for all concerned than was necessary.

Religion has no place in politics, education or the lives of those who don't want it.

corribdude

The_Minister wrote: »

In fairness <5% of priests actually raped anybody.

Most of them just beat people.

You haven't a clue how many were at it, like you said thats a figure 'you heard on the radio a while ago'. Must be true if you heard it on the radio.

(2) Most priests knew about the beatings and the slaps etc, but you can bet that most did not know about the sodomy.

The top guys in the church knew all about the cr*p that was going and they facilitated it by moving known paedophiles around to different locations letting them destroy more lives.

General Zod

The_Minister wrote: »

I'm sure they could have transferred to an institution where the residents were more appealing to them.

Well, the church has always been about equal opertunities.

4zn76tysfajdxp

General Zod wrote: »

Well, the church has always been about equal opertunities.

No it hasn't.

General Zod

Conrad Large Income wrote: »

No it hasn't.

I think your serious post detector is broken.

4zn76tysfajdxp

General Zod wrote: »

I think your serious post detector is broken.

I don't even have one. In fact, I don't think that serious post detectors even exist.

Nodin

Conrad Large Income wrote: »

I don't even have one. In fact, I don't think that serious post detectors even exist.

They do, but they're more divining rod than geiger counter....

markok84

markok84 wrote: »

I think you'll find that 100% is the highest possible figure, besides 1% is too high. It's time the state made a decent gesture and removed the church completely from the education system in Ireland.

Education would suffer though. Look at the UK, there are plenty of community schools yet people go to massive lengths to get their children into catholic schools as they get a much better education. Even if you are catholic its very hard to get into them. A thing as small as being baptised when older than 6 months old means you cannot get into some of the better schools.

Darragh29

Yeah it doesn't get worse than lecturing people about contraception while raping children, or talking about Catholic family values while children were shunted into orphanages and told their parents were dead when in fact they were alive. It's the hypocracy that gets to me.

I lost a close friend in 1987 when he died in tragic circumstances after being abused by our christian brother teacher at the time. I remember seeing children being beaten senseless in primary school, lads being picked up with their feet dangling off the ground by the cheeks of their face and their ears, lads being molested down the back of the class. This same teacher is still alive and probably not even on the road to being convicted, although there are no less than 4 unexplained deaths associated with this individual.

General Zod

Jude Alive Sequence wrote: »

Education would suffer though. Look at the UK, there are plenty of community schools yet people go to massive lengths to get their children into catholic schools as they get a much better education. Even if you are catholic its very hard to get into them. A thing as small as being baptised when older than 6 months old means you cannot get into some of the better schools.

that's more to do with them being fee paying private schiools, who can afford better teachers. That's not to say public school teachers are bad, but they can't afford the resources private schools can.

dr.bollocko

Please use the existing thread for this discussion.