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Church lectured us on condoms etc while children were being raped

McArmalite

Now I know that their have been other threads on the institutional abuse of children by the Catholic Church, but listening to TV3 Good Morning Ireland a person emailed in the above and also mentioned how they were preaching to us about the evils of divource - at the same time the great family man Haughey was supporting them and talking about " Irish family values " :rolleyes: Words defie me.
I was going thru my teens when all of this was going on, and I remember the sheer frustration of wondering when this bloody place was going to pull itself into the 20th century.
Bad and all as that was, when I think of the extremism and fanatism of the Catholic Church to be lecturing us on contraceptives while children were raped and molested across the country, all I can compare us to is the fanatical hypocrisy of states like Saudi Arabia, Iran etc.

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Sam Vimes

Gillo wrote: »

But didn't it start in monkeys? Does that mean that monkeys are gay?
or did he decide to pi$$ off the tree huggers and test the aids on animals first?

It did come from monkeys but don't tell them that. We all know their position on things coming from monkeys

The_Minister

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

It's mad how some RC's can defend this really. I mean, if the church was lying about something so important, what else could they be lying about eh? Hmmm

I'm an athiest actually.

General Zod

The_Minister wrote: »

but even if it is true who you rape is determined by your sexuality.

For a lot of the clerical abusers, it was determined by what was available to them.

The_Minister

General Zod wrote: »

For a lot of the clerical abusers, it was determined by what was available to them.

I'm sure they could have transferred to an institution where the residents were more appealing to them.

The_Minister wrote: »

In fairness <5% of priests actually raped anybody.

<5%... if that statistic applied to the Irish population we'd be talking about between 1 and 225,000 child rapists running around...

That statistic should in no way be used in the church's defence...

Fiend-Foe

McArmalite wrote: »

Now I know that their have been other threads on the institutional abuse of children by the Catholic Church, but listening to TV3 Good Morning Ireland a person emailed in the above and also mentioned how they were preaching to us about the evils of divource - at the same time the great family man Haughey was supporting them and talking about " Irish family values " :rolleyes: Words defie me.
I was going thru my teens when all of this was going on, and I remember the sheer frustration of wondering when this bloody place was going to pull itself into the 20th century.
Bad and all as that was, when I think of the extremism and fanatism of the Catholic Church to be lecturing us on contraceptives while children were raped and molested across the country, all I can compare us to is the fanatical hypocrisy of states like Saudi Arabia, Iran etc.

My parents split shortly after I was born and weren't able to divorce until 1995.

Bloody joke, caused so much more pain and hassle for all concerned than was necessary.

Religion has no place in politics, education or the lives of those who don't want it.

corribdude

The_Minister wrote: »

In fairness <5% of priests actually raped anybody.

Most of them just beat people.

You haven't a clue how many were at it, like you said thats a figure 'you heard on the radio a while ago'. Must be true if you heard it on the radio.

(2) Most priests knew about the beatings and the slaps etc, but you can bet that most did not know about the sodomy.

The top guys in the church knew all about the cr*p that was going and they facilitated it by moving known paedophiles around to different locations letting them destroy more lives.

General Zod

The_Minister wrote: »

I'm sure they could have transferred to an institution where the residents were more appealing to them.

Well, the church has always been about equal opertunities.

4zn76tysfajdxp

General Zod wrote: »

Well, the church has always been about equal opertunities.

No it hasn't.

General Zod

Conrad Large Income wrote: »

No it hasn't.

I think your serious post detector is broken.

4zn76tysfajdxp

General Zod wrote: »

I think your serious post detector is broken.

I don't even have one. In fact, I don't think that serious post detectors even exist.

Nodin

Conrad Large Income wrote: »

I don't even have one. In fact, I don't think that serious post detectors even exist.

They do, but they're more divining rod than geiger counter....

[Deleted User]

markok84 wrote: »

I think you'll find that 100% is the highest possible figure, besides 1% is too high. It's time the state made a decent gesture and removed the church completely from the education system in Ireland.

Education would suffer though. Look at the UK, there are plenty of community schools yet people go to massive lengths to get their children into catholic schools as they get a much better education. Even if you are catholic its very hard to get into them. A thing as small as being baptised when older than 6 months old means you cannot get into some of the better schools.

Darragh29

Yeah it doesn't get worse than lecturing people about contraception while raping children, or talking about Catholic family values while children were shunted into orphanages and told their parents were dead when in fact they were alive. It's the hypocracy that gets to me.

I lost a close friend in 1987 when he died in tragic circumstances after being abused by our christian brother teacher at the time. I remember seeing children being beaten senseless in primary school, lads being picked up with their feet dangling off the ground by the cheeks of their face and their ears, lads being molested down the back of the class. This same teacher is still alive and probably not even on the road to being convicted, although there are no less than 4 unexplained deaths associated with this individual.

General Zod

Jude Alive Sequence wrote: »

Education would suffer though. Look at the UK, there are plenty of community schools yet people go to massive lengths to get their children into catholic schools as they get a much better education. Even if you are catholic its very hard to get into them. A thing as small as being baptised when older than 6 months old means you cannot get into some of the better schools.

that's more to do with them being fee paying private schiools, who can afford better teachers. That's not to say public school teachers are bad, but they can't afford the resources private schools can.

dr.bollocko

Please use the existing thread for this discussion.