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Ubuntu causing lots and lots of problems
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18-05-2009 6:54pm#1I just installed Ubuntu 8.10 on a partition on my hard drive. Trying a Linux Distro for curiosities sake, and apparently Ubuntu is the easiest for Noobs like myself
So anyway I was messing around with system config when it froze. So I manually shut down the computer and restarted.
When started again I loaded a few things and closed them down. Looking at the blank desktop. Then by a mistake I turned the mouse wheel, which causes Ubuntu to go into the second workspace. Froze again.
Restarted. This time I messed around with some screen resolutions. The second one I tried returned a black screen. Restarted Ubuntu, logged in only to find the black screen again. I can safety assume that I cant access Ubuntu now and will just have to erase it or something.
Is it just my computer isnt up to scratch? Ive it installed on a small partition, could this be the issue? You see I've been running XP for three years now and havent come anywhere remotely near to these random freezings.0
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I just installed Ubuntu 8.10 on a partition on my hard drive. Trying a Linux Distro for curiosities sake, and apparently Ubuntu is the easiest for Noobs like myself
As you'll read in this thread : http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055568371&page=2
and on the their own forums they are trying to "market" it as the easiest for noobs as you say , and the best ever replacement for windows.
Unfortunately they seem to be trying to do it all too fast for "their" abilities and basic stuff is getting wobbly - just like you've experienced.
Few to try for the craic , its just a cd if they don't work and shouldn't be hard to install
http://www.pcbsd.org
Debian http://www.debian.org/CD would be much the same since Ubuntu is based on it . Will be much the same to install.0 -
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Does this mean that you were manually editing the xorg.conf file?
If it's a problem with xorg you can find what's wrong by:
ctrl alt f1
tail var/log/Xorg.0.log
If what velocirafter says fails just rename the xorg.conf file, newer versions of xorg don't strictly need an xorg.conf.
ctrl alt f1
sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
reboot
undo this if fail:
sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf
If success, then go system > administration > hardware drivers > nvidia/ati and get this tool to write a new xorg.conf for you.
Another option if using nvidia driver is
sudo nvidia-xconfig
or
sudo nvidia-xconfig --composte --add-argb-glx-visuals
Linux is easy to break...
Stay away from Debian. It assumes you know linux.0 -
.Does this mean that you were manually editing the xorg.conf file?
If it's a problem with xorg you can find what's wrong by:
ctrl alt f1
tail var/log/Xorg.0.log
If what velocirafter says fails just rename the xorg.conf file, newer versions of xorg don't strictly need an xorg.conf.
ctrl alt f1
sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
reboot
undo this if fail:
sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf
If success, then go system > administration > hardware drivers > nvidia/ati and get this tool to write a new xorg.conf for you.
Another option if using nvidia driver is
sudo nvidia-xconfig
or
sudo nvidia-xconfig --composte --add-argb-glx-visuals
Linux is easy to break...
Stay away from Debian. It assumes you know linux.0 -
Highlighting - an excellent way to make your point.
You sure emphasised the hypocrisy of my post. Now if you have an easier solution, or you want to clarify my post go ahead. Thanks.
The fact of the matter is that this is going to have to be solved at a terminal.
Recommending Debian or pcBSD to a beginner is the wrong way to go imho.
<on topic>
All these commands can be copy pasted.
To reboot:
sudo shutdown -r now
Good luck, I hope your up and running soon.
Tip for the future: Always copy config files before editing 0 -
I just installed Ubuntu 8.10 on a partition on my hard drive. Trying a Linux Distro for curiosities sake, and apparently Ubuntu is the easiest for Noobs like myself
So anyway I was messing around with system config when it froze. So I manually shut down the computer and restarted.
When started again I loaded a few things and closed them down. Looking at the blank desktop. Then by a mistake I turned the mouse wheel, which causes Ubuntu to go into the second workspace. Froze again.
Restarted. This time I messed around with some screen resolutions. The second one I tried returned a black screen. Restarted Ubuntu, logged in only to find the black screen again. I can safety assume that I cant access Ubuntu now and will just have to erase it or something.
Whatever about the random freezing , for now you need to fix up the file you edited.
What is happening now is it is reading the file you edited , loading the "wrong" settings and just can't display anything.
All is not lost at all.
You can start your pc in "text mode" so you can fix up the file you edited earlier. (it'll be kinda like the command prompt in XP )
You might see a "Recovery mode " just as it starts up0 -
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Yeah I know, do many people use KDE instead?
Just looking at the Wikipedia screen shot - it looks a bit cluttered for my liking. I like the two bars (top and bottom) in GNOME so you can separate things out.
Although you can probably do that too in KDE?
Yes fully customisable ..... and IMO easier to customise than Gnome. But that is just a personal view. 0 -
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i've been using mint for the last year or so (since v5 came out) and decided to give ubuntu 9.04 a go and quickly remembered why i moved to mint in the first place. lickily for me, this was only on wednesday and lo and behold mint v7 had just come out so i flattened ubuntu and moved back over to mint and what a joy it was to have it back. i just can't get on with ubuntu at all. they keep saying it's the best Linux OS for n00bs but it doesn't even remotely compare to mint.
i know mint has ubuntu at it's core, but it's so much more user friendly and very easy for ex-windows users to get on with by comparison to ubuntu and everything that you have to spend hours configuring in ubuntu us already there in mint and working perfectly.
i actually don't think i've touched the terminal in the last 3 days since i installed it aside from configuring samba and that was only a couple of minor edits to the default settings to get it configured for my network.
1 thumb up for ubuntu 9.04, but two thumbs up for mint v7 from me! 0 -
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yes, i believe so. i think it's to do with the fact that for ubuntu to remain 100% free and totally legal with no grey areas things like codecs and restricted drivers etc. have to be disabled by default, leaving the onus on the user to re-enable them.
mint seems to take a much more free and easy approach to the whole thing though and whilst it may not be 100% above board it's nothing ubuntu users wouldn't re-enable themselves anyway 5 minutes after installing it.
by throwing everything in that most users would want to set up, they save us a lot of time ourselves and i know a lot of the geekier *nix guys like nothing better than manually tweaking configs in the terminal, but i think the majority of us ex-windows heads just like things to work out of the box whenever possible. 0 -
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by throwing everything in that most users would want to set up, they save us a lot of time ourselves and i know a lot of the geekier *nix guys like nothing better than manually tweaking configs in the terminal, but i think the majority of us ex-windows heads just like things to work out of the box whenever possible.
I think this is a myth.
Yes they are comfortable and have no fear of doing such things, but from what I have read, most like it when things work out of box, just like the rest of us.
Personally I have serious problems with the way Ubuntu is portrayed as 'new user friendly', yet whenever there is a small problem the first thing posted to fix it is some CLi command or other, which gives a completely false picture of what modern Linux is like.
Other distros have GUIs for most things, even Mint which is Ubuntu based, and to that add Mandriva, Mepis, PCLinuxOS etc.
It seems to me that 'big bucks' is winning out again while not giving what most desire .... GUI tools for most everything.
I would never recommend Ubuntu to a new user moving from Windows. I believe Mint, Mepis and PCLOS are much more suitable for the task.0 -
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yes, but i think that can put a lot of people off, if they think they're going to have to get their hands dirty. i know it's just a bit of copy and paste, but it's not exactly conducive to learning new things. (i already know how to copy/paste:)).Not only that, it can be copied and pasted to ensure you are doing it exactly right.
2 years full time at home with linux and it's still the case that every time something goes wrong i have to google it and end up copy/pasting something in the terminal to fix it and am still none the wiser to what I've done when i'm finished.
by comparison, approx. 2 years ago my (wintel server support) job changed slightly to include a lot of exchange admin and backup stuff which i didn't have much experience of at all at the time and i had to learn most of that on my own in a similar sort of way and i'm an old pro at both now.
i think it might just be, that despite my best intentions i'm a windows head whether i like it or not.
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The reason why most techie's or experienced linux users will give helpful instructions to fix things with CLI commands, is because it can be quicker and easier to type up instructions that way.
Than having to give instructions for navigating through a set of GUI instructions.
Regards,
J.
You missed the main point of my post ........ for a new exWin user HAVING TO (as it appears to them) use a text console shows them that Linux is so far behind that they may promptly dump it.
The majority of those new users expect to be able to make changes through GUI.
Even if it is a very simple GUI like Zenity or such, that is what they want. Yes they may comment on the bad looking zenity boxes and prompts and complain about it not being a 'proper' GUI, but they can use it, remember it, and use it again later if required.
The impression given by all the command-line instructions to new users is that Linux is still lacking proper GUI tools. Impressions count, particularly in the first days of use.
That is why I recommend other distro, as mentioned, to new users -- it shows them a familiar environment where things CAN be done with GUI, and if they then wish they can learn that it is much quicker/better (if I dare ) to do most things from command line.
For best experience most new converts IMO should get the opportunity to use a distro with a good GUI control centre ... comparable to Win Control Panel.
Which distro they choose afterwards is immaterial ... its all Linux.
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Nope.Total noob to this, did a live cd with Knoppix, it went without a hitch. Just faffing around with it. found it very easy. Just downloaded Mint 7, so will give it a try out. Would any of the above need an antivirus program? firewall?
They'll have netfilter/iptables by default. If you want a GUI to make life easier configuring it, you can install something like firestarter.0 -
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