Anti-social behaviour - Pub closing times???

road_high

Summed up my thoughts very well indeed there Deliverance, thanks

fabbydabby

Indeed. There is comparitively little traditional industry in Kilkenny when compared with towns of a roughly similar size (Waterford , Clonmel) and we rely largly on a (failing) tourism industry to keep us ticking over.

This law has castarated the hospitality industry thet keep the town buzzin'.

How about a petition? I know the licencees would be interested in it, as would the taxi men and hotels.

road_high

fabbydabby wrote: »

Indeed. There is comparitively little traditional industry in Kilkenny when compared with towns of a roughly similar size (Waterford , Clonmel) and we rely largly on a (failing) tourism industry to keep us ticking over.

This law has castarated the hospitality industry thet keep the town buzzin'.

How about a petition? I know the licencees would be interested in it, as would the taxi men and hotels.

But when you break it down, Kilkenny is not a jobs black spot as such. There is VHI, State Street and our own Glanbia amongst others. We are too quick to forget those in my opinion. And don't know why Kilkenny people compare us to Clonmel, I never go there and I'll say no more as to why...draw your own conclusions

fabbydabby

Think of the possibilities for tourist adverts:

Kilkenny! Now with even crapper pub opening hours, fewer Gardai and a mass exodus at 01.30! It's a riot!

Threadhead

I have to say fair play to Darren Murphy for kicking off this thread and fair play to him for having his finger on the pulse.

The lack of staggered closing times is a killer. And it's such an obvious solution (or at least a help) to a long running problem.

This structure is killing Kilkenny (and indeed Irish) night life. Nowhere else operates like that. People go home when they want. That's it. With a little bit of extra security and policing, this is easily achievable. The benefits are massive.

For the first 3 months of this year, we had what was tantamount to a 1930's speakeasy operating in the city centre. Music, beers and full houses until 6 in the morning. Was there a problem at any stage? Did anyone even notice it? No. It was well run and damn discreet. Word of mouth had full houses guaranteed. Something as simple as treating adults as adults would go a long way.

fabbydabby

Also agree. I was a patron of aforementioned speakeasy and it was fantastic.

I can see draconian legislation and ass widening pub and club prices driving more and more people to places such as this to socialise. It's going to go back underground, and that's pretty cool.

Who's with me!?!

Purry Cat

A lot of very interesting and thoughtful contributions here. But a number of people are missing the point that having a busy city centre on a Saturday night isn't what a thriving local economy should be about. It might create a few extra part-time jobs, but that's all.

For Kilkenny to do well, it has to be about more than relying on outsiders to come here and drink - a risky gameplan at any time and even more so in a recession.

ChristIsMurph

Purry Cat wrote: »

A lot of very interesting and thoughtful contributions here. But a number of people are missing the point that having a busy city centre on a Saturday night isn't what a thriving local economy should be about. It might create a few extra part-time jobs, but that's all.

For Kilkenny to do well, it has to be about more than relying on outsiders to come here and drink - a risky gameplan at any time and even more so in a recession.

True, but this will retain and create quite a lot of jobs in fairness. This is one step in helping create jobs across many sectors. We have come with a solution here and we now need to come with solutions in other areas of our local economy. All combined together will create a lot of jobs plus saving many more.

Hobart

Can I ask why licensed premises opening hours are being so intrinsically linked to Anti-Social behavior? Do people really believe that a changing in the opening hours, would solve this anti-social issue?

I also agree that having a busy city centre on a Saturday night isn't what a thriving local economy should be about, but people must be able to see that for a city which depends so much on tourism and the associated off-shoots, a busy city centre is a fantastic sign that the city is doing what it is best at, i.e. attracting people down to it.

As for the speakeasy, that's hardly a solution now, is it? Would that not just add fuel to the issue at hand?

Purry Cat

I also agree that having a busy city centre on a Saturday night isn't what a thriving local economy should be about, but people must be able to see that for a city which depends so much on tourism and the associated off-shoots, a busy city centre is a fantastic sign that the city is doing what it is best at, i.e. attracting people down to it.


I think the state of the Parade at the moment - and not just at the moment, but for the last six months and probably for the next six months too - is "a fantastic sign" of what's wrong with Kilkenny and its civic leadership. Unfortunately.

Hobart

Purry Cat wrote: »

I also agree that having a busy city centre on a Saturday night isn't what a thriving local economy should be about, but people must be able to see that for a city which depends so much on tourism and the associated off-shoots, a busy city centre is a fantastic sign that the city is doing what it is best at, i.e. attracting people down to it.


I think the state of the Parade at the moment - and not just at the moment, but for the last six months and probably for the next six months too - is "a fantastic sign" of what's wrong with Kilkenny and its civic leadership. Unfortunately.

Are you talking about the work going on there, or am I completely missing your point?

Threadhead

I agree absolutely with what the last few posters have said about a busy city centre on a Saturday night not being what a thriving local economy should be about. Agree absolutely.

But I feel that you guys are addressing something which is not the topic at hand. The topic at hand, not being how to stimulate local economy but rather being the changes needed in opening and closing times in city centre premises to ensure that Kilkenny can provide a healthy social playground for its natives and its tourists.

Any benefits that such changes might have for the local economy may be minimal but I would wager that they won't do much damage to the local economy either. What you will have however, is a very happy bunch of adults who can enjoy their weekends as they please in a variety of different premises at a variety of different times.

There's always going to be anti social behaviour, no matter if you throw people out of a pub at 4am, 1.30 am or 10.30 pm. If everybody is thrown out on the streets and into the same chippers and taxi ranks at the same time, it's a powder keg waiting to go off. Stagger the times, put more guards on the streets and let responsible adults reclaim the weekends from the funbusters and short sighted decision makers.

As Roy Keane once sagely noted, the definition of stupidity is to use the same methods in the same manner over a long period of time and expect different results.

highgiant1985

actually my anti social story was in langtons last night for my mates going away night out (lucky sods heading to australia )

On way home a fight broke out outside the main langtons door two lads tearing the head off each other and the garda car stops out comes a female and male garda, male garda jumps on top of the rough lad held him down while they got handcuffs out and the other lad made a runner.

Nightwish

Well it was Leaving cert grad night for a few schools, last night.

Purry Cat

Hobart wrote: »

Are you talking about the work going on there, or am I completely missing your point?

I am. You're not.