"Girlies"

MelindaHayes

Is it just me or is anyone else sick of these airhead type "girlies" that seem to be everywhere these days.

They pride themselves on being dumb, "because we are girlies". They are endlessly texting and talking like idiots into their mobile phones.

Most seem to be daddy's girls, little princesses. What happened to women having some respect for eachother and other people.

Has the "ME" generation reached such a degraded state?

allabouteve

MelindaHayes wrote: »

Is it just me or is anyone else sick of these airhead type "girlies" that seem to be everywhere these days.

They pride themselves on being dumb, "because we are girlies". They are endlessly texting and talking like idiots into their mobile phones.

Most seem to be daddy's girls, little princesses. What happened to women having some respect for eachother and other people.

Has the "ME" generation reached such a degraded state?

Lots of young girls chat on the phone and text constantly, not because they're dumb, but because they're young. If they're still little girls, you can hardly expect them to behave in a more mature way.

Remember when you were a teenager and got enthusiastic about the smallest things? Its normal.

So firstly, are we talking about Little Princesses and Daddies Girls, or are we talking about women, and the respect that adulthood might command?

Dlite

allabouteve wrote: »

Remember when you were a teenager and got enthusiastic about the smallest things? Its normal.quote]

Yes, like shell suits and Ascot runners

I don't think this has anything to do with having respect for oneself.

Salome

Personally, I've noticed that teenage girls are identical these days - poker straight blonde hair, maybe with extensions, skinny jeans and those flat ballet shoes. There's no individuals.

And like, I rilllly rillllly seriously hate, like, all these flossies like, who say, like a lot, like what's that all about?

Elle Victorine

No there has always been this facet to the female personality just some are more girly than others like some guys are more manly.

Personally I avoid girly girls like the ****in plague since I was in primary school and I have been quite content to do so. Not that I don't have any respect for them or think they're stupid or anything I just don't have anything in common with them.


And I don't agree that they behave like airheads..I've known a few that were airheads but they were airheads when they were tomboys too you know? Some people are just idiots despite whether they're girly girls or not. I also don't think it's an issue with a lack of self respect but I do get what you mean/where you're coming from.

Jesus Wept

tbh.

Blush_01

I agree The-Rigger.

We all have lovely bottoms.

LadyE

MelindaHayes wrote: »

Is it just me or is anyone else sick of these airhead type "girlies" that seem to be everywhere these days.

They pride themselves on being dumb, "because we are girlies". They are endlessly texting and talking like idiots into their mobile phones.

Most seem to be daddy's girls, little princesses. What happened to women having some respect for eachother and other people.

Has the "ME" generation reached such a degraded state?

So now girls arnt allowed to talk or text on their phones, or have a good relation with their father...in case they are labelled as dumb or not having respect for each other?

This is silly, wtf is the bitching for for normal things?

Yep, I do talk on the phone and text and have a good relationship with my father...shoot me...soon...for the good of the nation:rolleyes:

pookie82

I think maybe the OP may be referring to comments like I heard not so long ago on the dart one morning after a gaggle of screaming girls got on at Castleknock. After much hair flicking and screeching one of them mentioned that she heard about some Indian disaster that was like, really bad and stuff, the night before (in reference to the Mumbai attacks which at this stage had happened about 6 weeks beforehand) and when asked where she heard this shocking and breaking news, with much oooohs and aaahs and OMGs she muttered something about walking past the telly when the news happened to be on. Queue massive chorus of "OOOOOOOH my god the news is like SOOOOOOOOO BORinggggggggg!!!!!!! WHy watch the news when you could watch like, the Simpsons or something!!!"

AHHHHHHHHHHHH HHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA [for twenty minutes].

Possibly.

CorkLady1983

my favourites are the yummy drummys, ugg boots, fake tan and "just out of bed" tossled hair that they spent 2 hours messing up and the layers of benefit makeup they wear.... think they also now sport Abercrombie and Fitch/Hollister gear...(those two brands used to be decent until they started wearing them)....

agree with OP, never understood girls like that, think they are just morons...

Rozabeez

Super, yet another thread for bitching about people we don't bother to get to know and defending our gender due to a stereotype.

pookie82

Rozabeez wrote: »

Super, yet another thread for bitching about people we don't bother to get to know and defending our gender due to a stereotype.

When I see a reason to defend my gender, I will. My above example does not make me want to. Nor do I need to get to know these people to realise that they are vacuous idiots who bring the entire female sex down.

Just because we share the possession of a vagina does not mean I need to stick up for them in any way.

GirlInterrupted

pookie82 wrote: »

When I see a reason to defend my gender, I will. My above example does not make me want to. Nor do I need to get to know these people to realise that they are vacuous idiots who bring the entire female sex down.

Just because we share the possession of a vagina does not mean I need to stick up for them in any way.

They don't bring me down.

Teenagers have their own way of dressing and speaking, and it changes with every new batch. Most of the posters complaining here of certain 'looks' and mannerisms probably had their own that were common to their group of friends when they were a similar age.

I wouldn't assume a girl is a vacuous idiot because she laughs at a bad joke or styles her hair similarly to her friends.

They'll grow up and roll their eyes at what they wore, and how they used to think. Just like most of us did/will.

pookie82

GirlInterrupted wrote: »

They don't bring me down.

Teenagers have their own way of dressing and speaking, and it changes with every new batch. Most of the posters complaining here of certain 'looks' and mannerisms probably had their own that were common to their group of friends when they were a similar age.

I wouldn't assume a girl is a vacuous idiot because she laughs at a bad joke or styles her hair similarly to her friends.

They'll grow up and roll their eyes at what they wore, and how they used to think. Just like most of us did/will.

If you don't feel that they bring you down then fair enough. But I do. And I shouldn't feel like I can't say so because we're all female and should somehow support each other regardless.

These girls were much closer to 20 than 15 by the way. High time to grow up. The OP mentioned nothing about teenagers.

She Devil

I'm a girlie girl, i love all things girlie and i love being a girl.

It doesn't make me dumb, nor does it make my friends identical to me. Infact i don't think any of my friends are like the next.

I'm also a daddies girl, infact he calls me his princess.

I am not loaded, nor do i pretend to be. I support myself, I love clothes, I like shoes, love uggs, and do don those ballet type shoes, I can't afford handbags hmmm could it be that I like todays current fashion? Or could it be that i am an idiot?

I just don't understand how anyone can pick on a group of people and decide they are all like that?

OH OH OH and im not a teenager ... I am in my late 20's

GirlInterrupted

She Devil wrote: »

I'm a girlie girl, i love all things girlie and i love being a girl.

I would probably be similar.:)

Lately it seems among some women, that there's some sort of stigma attached to enjoying particularly 'feminine' things, or aspects of one's character. Its almost become embarrassing to admit that I like pink or wear dresses!

I've especially noticed how the term girly is being used by some as a substitute for 'stupid, empty and shallow'. It seems to have become a derogatory term.

pookie82

She Devil wrote: »

I just don't understand how anyone can pick on a group of people and decide they are all like that?

OH OH OH and im not a teenager ... I am in my late 20's

Who's "they"? Who said "they" were all like that?

GirlInterrupted

pookie82 wrote: »

Who's "they"? Who said "they" were all like that?

Lets see...

pookie82 wrote: »

When I see a reason to defend my gender, I will. My above example does not make me want to. Nor do I need to get to know these people to realise that they are vacuous idiots who bring the entire female sex down.

Just because we share the possession of a vagina does not mean I need to stick up for them in any way.

Gosh.
Seems like it was you.

bnagrrl

pookie82 wrote: »

I think maybe the OP may be referring to comments like I heard not so long ago on the dart one morning after a gaggle of screaming girls got on at Castleknock. After much hair flicking and screeching one of them mentioned that she heard about some Indian disaster that was like, really bad and stuff, the night before (in reference to the Mumbai attacks which at this stage had happened about 6 weeks beforehand) and when asked where she heard this shocking and breaking news, with much oooohs and aaahs and OMGs she muttered something about walking past the telly when the news happened to be on. Queue massive chorus of "OOOOOOOH my god the news is like SOOOOOOOOO BORinggggggggg!!!!!!! WHy watch the news when you could watch like, the Simpsons or something!!!"

AHHHHHHHHHHHH HHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA [for twenty minutes].

Possibly.

Possibly? So is the above story a complete fabrication or did any part of it actually happen?

Btw, the DART doesn't go to Castleknock.

4zn76tysfajdxp

bnagrrl wrote: »

Possibly? So is the above story a complete fabrication or did any part of it actually happen?

The attacks in Mumbai did, yes.

pookie82

bnagrrl wrote: »

Possibly? So is the above story a complete fabrication or did any part of it actually happen?

Btw, the DART doesn't go to Castleknock.

No, unfortunately it actually happened. The possibly at the end was referring to the fact that maybe the OP was referring to this type of behaviour.

You're right, I meant to say the commuter train. This doesn't blow my entire story out of the water though.

pookie82

GirlInterrupted wrote: »

Lets see...



Gosh.
Seems like it was you.

What so the "they" refers to the group of girls I was talking about? Considering they all partook of the conversation ya, I do assume they're all like that. No evidence to the contrary whatsoever.

It amuses me that Rosabeez came on here rolling her eyes at yet another bitchy thread and the girls who thanked her are now.... oooops, using the first chance they get to be, "gosh", bitchy.

You're not exactly forwarding the sex there ladies.

pookie82

GirlInterrupted wrote: »

I've especially noticed how the term girly is being used by some as a substitute for 'stupid, empty and shallow'. It seems to have become a derogatory term.

You're right, the term "girly" has become derogatory. I think it's because the media interpretation of being a girly girl now consists of buying shoes in large quantities, loving pink things, (like you say you're embarrassed to admit to doing) and generally being image obsessed. There's nothing of substance about their apparent concerns or interests. Just watch the adds on tv or more importantly, listen to the ones on the radio, like the recent airline one where the male voice advertising the low fairs is drowned out every now and again by the female voice moaning "shopping" in ecstasy, at the thoughts of getting to shop. There's another add on the radio promoting some sandwich ingredient, where the women bring their own lunches to work, adding ham, cheese bread and..... a healthy dollip of "GOSSIP!!!!" queue much "girly" giggling and excitment as they go off to lunch to tear their colleagues to shreds.

All of these traits of being obsessed with consumerism and material possessions and fickle conversation as opposed to being concerned about what's actually going on in the world is now considered "girly". And therefore it's taken on an air of idiocy and unaccountability.

Plug-me-in

Ok so liking a certain colour makes someone instantly become a gossipy bitchy person who is obsessed with themselves and their image??


I consider myself a "Girly-girl" purely because I like to take pride in my appearance, wear fashionable clothes and be feminine in general. This does not mean I don't have two brain cells to rub together, it does not mean I sit around at lunch and gossip about everyone who walks past, it does not mean I find the news boring, and celebrity gossip certainly does not fill me with excitement.



Ugg-wearing-hollister-clad-fake-tan girls? You want to generalise them all to be bimbo's with nothing better to do than mess with their "hurr"? Well, I have a considerable number of them in my college course, and I can tell you, they're going to turn out to be the best future doctors this country will ever see.


Who-ever doesn't want to take pride in our gender purely because of these "Girly-girls" perhaps you should take another look around at some of the women on the street, complete opposites of "Girly-girls", knocking back bottes of vodka in public places, no regards to their image, hygeine or self-respect and THEN maybe you're lack of pride might be for other reasons.


Anyway, I don't know how any woman can lack pride in our gender when women throughout history have worked so hard to make life what it is for most of us now, and women will continue to work relentlessly, even if they do happen to do it in a pink Chanel dress.

gwhiz

GirlInterrupted wrote: »

They don't bring me down.

Teenagers have their own way of dressing and speaking, and it changes with every new batch. Most of the posters complaining here of certain 'looks' and mannerisms probably had their own that were common to their group of friends when they were a similar age.

I wouldn't assume a girl is a vacuous idiot because she laughs at a bad joke or styles her hair similarly to her friends.

They'll grow up and roll their eyes at what they wore, and how they used to think. Just like most of us did/will.

HERE HERE !! Totally agree with you... I have a 17 year old daughter (I was very very young when I had her so im not that old.. ha ha). She has the blond hair, extensions, ballet shoes skinny jeans blah blah as do all her friends... they are not doing anyone any harm so I really dont know what the f*ck this thread is all about. We were all young and immature once. In a few years time they will look back at the photos and say "what the hell was I thinking of"

pookie82

gwhiz wrote: »

HERE HERE !! Totally agree with you... I have a 17 year old daughter (I was very very young when I had her so im not that old.. ha ha). She has the blond hair, extensions, ballet shoes skinny jeans blah blah as do all her friends... they are not doing anyone any harm so I really dont know what the f*ck this thread is all about. We were all young and immature once. In a few years time they will look back at the photos and say "what the hell was I thinking of"

That may be the case, but why has this thread turned into a defence of teenagers? Where in the OP was age mentioned? Who said anything about being young and foolish?

Tinchy

pookie82 wrote: »

That may be the case, but why has this thread turned into a defence of teenagers? Where in the OP was age mentioned? Who said anything about being young and foolish?

the whole thread hasn't turned into a defence of teenagers, the poster above was just talking about her daughter.

the OP is oviously not talking about women in their 30s/40s/50s either.

pookie82

Plug-me-in wrote: »

Anyway, I don't know how any woman can lack pride in our gender when women throughout history have worked so hard to make life what it is for most of us now, and women will continue to work relentlessly, even if they do happen to do it in a pink Chanel dress.

Some women, like me for example, lack pride in their gender for various reasons. You mention women throughout history working so hard to make our lives what they are now.

And what have some women done with that lifestyle so hard fought for? What have they become? Sex and the city watching shoe obsessed people who engage in mindless consumerism, buying magazines in their millions which tell them they're too fat/too thin. Is this what our ancestors envisaged, do you think? A sex predominantly obsessed with material fashion and celebrity? None of the shallow celebrity magazines are aimed at men.

It might make you proud but it doesn't make me proud. Clear difference of opinion.

pookie82

Tinchy wrote: »

the whole thread hasn't turned into a defence of teenagers, the poster above was just talking about her daughter.

the OP is oviously not talking about women in their 30s/40s/50s either.

When GirlInterrupted addressed my comment first she automatically mentioned teenagers too. I'm not being age specific and never was.

Plug-me-in

pookie82 wrote: »

And what have some women done with that lifestyle so hard fought for? What have they become? Sex and the city watching shoe obsessed people who engage in mindless consumerism, buying magazines in their millions which tell them they're too fat/too thin. Is this what our ancestors envisaged, do you think? A sex predominantly obsessed with material fashion and celebrity? None of the shallow celebrity magazines are aimed at men.

Some being the operative word.


And please don't put words in my mouth, I never stated that what I've just quoted makes me proud.

Tinchy

pookie82 wrote: »

Some women, like me for example, lack pride in their gender for various reasons. You mention women throughout history working so hard to make our lives what they are now.

And what have some women done with that lifestyle so hard fought for? What have they become? Sex and the city watching shoe obsessed people who engage in mindless consumerism, buying magazines in their millions which tell them they're too fat/too thin. Is this what our ancestors envisaged, do you think? A sex predominantly obsessed with material fashion and celebrity? None of the shallow celebrity magazines are aimed at men.

It might make you proud but it doesn't make me proud. Clear difference of opinion.

you lack pride in all females jus because SOME women like buying shoes and magazines?

my best friend is one of the smartest people i know and has a good job yet she buys several mags a week, likes 'girlie' things like shopping for shoes etc but also watches the news and knows whats going on with regards politics/economic climate etc(everything that isn't considered 'girlie').
just because a woman likes these things doesn't mean they are stupid.

you simply cant judge someone(andmost of the entire female gender) on what they buy/read etc

pookie82

Plug-me-in wrote: »

Some being the operative word.


And please don't put words in my mouth, I never stated that what I've just quoted makes me proud.

No, you didn't. But you did remark on having difficulty understanding why some women can lack pride in their sex, so I explained why I did.

pookie82

Tinchy wrote: »

you simply cant judge someone(andmost of the entire female gender) on what they buy/read etc

I disagree. I think you can tell a lot about a person by what they buy and read. Again, clearly a difference of opinion.

gwhiz

pookie82 wrote: »

That may be the case, but why has this thread turned into a defence of teenagers? Where in the OP was age mentioned? Who said anything about being young and foolish?

Sorry Pookie, age was never mentioned.... and I never said the words "young and foolish".

CorkLady1983

ok, guys, I love my bit of bling, confess to owning designers shoes, like keeping myself presentable due to my line of work, but there's a difference...those girls are like clones of each other or something...

I just think they are funny, especially with the fake american/dublin accent and their fetish for all things starbucks...

gwhiz

pookie82 wrote: »

I disagree. I think you can tell a lot about a person by what they buy and read. Again, clearly a difference of opinion.

OK..... lets test you out so.
A girl who buys the best of everything ie. designer clothes, make up. She reads those expensive glossy magazine that are full of pictures and have fu*ck all to read in them like Cosmopolitan....
So can you tell me A LOT about this girl please?

I await in eager anticiptation for your detailed reply.

Liquorice

gwhiz wrote: »

OK..... lets test you out so.
A girl who buys the best of everything ie. designer clothes, make up. She reads those expensive glossy magazine that are full of pictures and have fu*ck all to read in them like Cosmopolitan....
So can you tell me A LOT about this girl please?

I await in eager anticiptation for your detailed reply.

Let's see... she buys the best of everything because she likes stuff that has longevity. She is also a criminal lawyer, so it would be disrespectful to her clients and the judge if she showed up to court looking scruffy. She also avoids the high street brands because she's worried about the ethics behind their companies. She reads Cosmopolitan because after a long day of work because she's too tired to read anything more insightful. That's what we were looking for, right?

Okay, so not everyone who likes clothes and magazines is a high-flyer but all these 'girly' traits are just superficial ones; humans are complex creatures and even a bottle blonde who rides the dorsh, talks like Paul Howard characters, wears pink Juicy Couture and has no interest in world affairs (if such an exaggerated stereotype in fact exists) will have as much depth to her as a criminal lawyer. Why does she embody a stereotype? Is she concerned about fitting in? Does she like the idea of the lifestyle? Nobody is cut-and-dry.

sunnyside

pookie82 wrote: »

And what have some women done with that lifestyle so hard fought for? What have they become? Sex and the city watching shoe obsessed people who engage in mindless consumerism, buying magazines in their millions which tell them they're too fat/too thin. Is this what our ancestors envisaged, do you think? A sex predominantly obsessed with material fashion and celebrity? None of the shallow celebrity magazines are aimed at men.
QUOTE]

Well it's a product of what they envisaged. They wanted women to have options other than staying at home having children, they wanted women to have education, jobs, money. This Sex and the City lifestyle and the posh shoes cost a lot of money and all the girly girls living it are doing so of their own free will. It's a better life than our ancestors had. A lot of those ugg booted teenagers will go to university.

Tinchy wrote: »

you lack pride in all females jus because SOME women like buying shoes and magazines?

my best friend is one of the smartest people i know and has a good job yet she buys several mags a week, likes 'girlie' things like shopping for shoes etc but also watches the news and knows whats going on with regards politics/economic climate etc(everything that isn't considered 'girlie').
just because a woman likes these things doesn't mean they are stupid.

Sounds like me too. Men also spend money on frivilous things--computer equipment, games, cameras, golf clubs, porn magazines...

gwhiz wrote: »

OK..... lets test you out so.
A girl who buys the best of everything ie. designer clothes, make up. She reads those expensive glossy magazine that are full of pictures and have fu*ck all to read in them like Cosmopolitan....
So can you tell me A LOT about this girl please?

I await in eager anticiptation for your detailed reply.

Shes not poor or she has a lot of personal debt. One or the other.

pookie82

gwhiz wrote: »

I await in eager anticiptation for your detailed reply.

You must be having a slow Saturday then.

She is, as previous poster said, either absolutely loaded or is in debt. If she's loaded, fair enough. Thing is, I know far too many girls who prioritise buying a new handbag over paying their bills and getting into massive credit card debts for a pair of shoes.

She's obviously very image conscious and places a lot of importance on material things if she's willing to buy the best of everything, i.e clothing and make up - designer gear costs ludicrous amounts of money.

She's willing to further a vacuous and materialistic fashion industry which makes women feel like they have to be a size zero and own a million designer handbags to have any self worth, if she's buying cosmopolitan for the pics. You see, every time a woman goes out there and buys one of those glossy, faddy and trashy magazines (for about 6 euro a pop isn't it??), although she waves it off as frivolous and fun and harmless, she's funding an industry built on consumerism and mass manipulation of women which prides itself on overcharging fashion crazy goons who will spend two grand on a pair of Manolos. As long as she and others like her keep buying these empty and useless glossy mags, the people behind them continue to thrive on a fickle industry where women, who delude themselves into thinking they're independent and strong willed, are manipulated into spending stupid amounts of money on material possessions and are tortured by images of half starved fellow women who are paraded as the ultimate goal.

And if she hasn't considered this for a second, she's not a very deep thinker.

pookie82

gwhiz wrote: »

Sorry Pookie, age was never mentioned.... and I never said the words "young and foolish".

Aren't you the one who came on defending your "17 year old" daughter??????

Piste

pookie82 wrote: »

And what have some women done with that lifestyle so hard fought for? What have they become?

Why it appears they're now making the most of the lifestyle so hard fought for by making their own decisions re. dress and shopping and not caring that a stranger on the internet dislikes their "girliness".

gwhiz

pookie82 wrote: »

Aren't you the one who came on defending your "17 year old" daughter??????

I think you mis-understood me.. I meant age was not mentioned by the OP.

I was not "defending" my daughter. I was merely explaining the type of clothes she wore and hair extensions etc etc

pookie82

Piste wrote: »

Why it appears they're now making the most of the lifestyle so hard fought for by making their own decisions re. dress and shopping and not caring that a stranger on the internet dislikes their "girliness".

If no one cares then why are they arguing?

I put forward my point and I have no problems with how I feel about it. Others seem to be getting very angry though.

And making their own decisions re dressing and shopping.... Are you sure about that? Blond hair extensions, ugg boots and aber crombie and fitch en masse - unless everyone woke up spontaneously one morning and decided that this was a great look by pure coincidence, they're not making their own decisions, they're adhering to the fashion norm.

It's like a quote I heard in a movie the other night about using fashion to express one's individuality. Made me consider how "individual" one feels they're being when queueing up to buy a pair of shoes that thousands of others have also bought because they're in some magazine that said they're in fashion this week. There's a prefume advert doing the rounds at the moment that I spotted in a chemist the other week that made me laugh. It's something about being magnificent and unique (by owning this fragrance, seemingly). Yes, you and the other ten million other owners worldwide.

pookie82

gwhiz wrote: »

I think you mis-understood me.. I meant age was not mentioned by the OP.

Oh, well then you're agreeing with me. That was my point. Age wasn't mentioned at all in the OP.

My apologies.

Piste

pookie82 wrote: »

If no one cares then why are they arguing?

I put forward my point and I have no problems with how I feel about it. Others seem to be getting very angry though.

And making their own decisions re dressing and shopping.... Are you sure about that? Blond hair extensions, ugg boots and aber crombie and fitch en masse - unless everyone woke up spontaneously one morning and decided that this was a great look by pure coincidence, they're not making their own decisions, they're adhering to the fashion norm.

You mean they're choosing to adhere to the fashion norm. I don't see anything wrong with that. I'd rahter dress like everyone else than wander round in a lime green jumpsuit cos I thought it lookd "original".

pookie82

Piste wrote: »

You mean they're choosing to adhere to the fashion norm. I don't see anything wrong with that. I'd rahter dress like everyone else than wander round in a lime green jumpsuit cos I thought it lookd "original".

You don't have to wear a lime green jumpsuit to be original. You just need to put a bit of thought into it.

If you choose to look like a clone, fair enough. I think it's genuinely sad that many of these young and impressionable girls feel they can't dress differently AND fit in. There's more pressure than choice in it for many. That's not an admirable trait of where the female is at nowadays. It doesn't scream of free will and independence to me.

benj

i think its nice to see girls been girly and dressing like a girl...
it's a pity a few more 20-30 somethings don't dress feminine
and have surgery to take off those shapeless jeans and trackys
that seems to be glued on them 7 days a week....

allabouteve

pookie82 wrote: »

You're right, the term "girly" has become derogatory. I think it's because the media interpretation of being a girly girl now consists of buying shoes in large quantities, loving pink things, (like you say you're embarrassed to admit to doing) and generally being image obsessed. There's nothing of substance about their apparent concerns or interests. Just watch the adds on tv or more importantly, listen to the ones on the radio, like the recent airline one where the male voice advertising the low fairs is drowned out every now and again by the female voice moaning "shopping" in ecstasy, at the thoughts of getting to shop. There's another add on the radio promoting some sandwich ingredient, where the women bring their own lunches to work, adding ham, cheese bread and..... a healthy dollip of "GOSSIP!!!!" queue much "girly" giggling and excitment as they go off to lunch to tear their colleagues to shreds.

All of these traits of being obsessed with consumerism and material possessions and fickle conversation as opposed to being concerned about what's actually going on in the world is now considered "girly". And therefore it's taken on an air of idiocy and unaccountability.

I'd say that its your interpretation too, since you use the same critieria to define 'girly girls'

pookie82 wrote: »

Some women, like me for example, lack pride in their gender for various reasons. You mention women throughout history working so hard to make our lives what they are now.

And what have some women done with that lifestyle so hard fought for? What have they become? Sex and the city watching shoe obsessed people who engage in mindless consumerism, buying magazines in their millions which tell them they're too fat/too thin. Is this what our ancestors envisaged, do you think? A sex predominantly obsessed with material fashion and celebrity? None of the shallow celebrity magazines are aimed at men.

It might make you proud but it doesn't make me proud. Clear difference of opinion.

You're using the same standard to judge whats 'girly'. I guess you're just being one of the herd, buying into what the media says instead of making up your own mind and being individual.

Wait.....er, oops.

GirlInterrupted

pookie82 wrote: »

What so the "they" refers to the group of girls I was talking about? Considering they all partook of the conversation ya, I do assume they're all like that. No evidence to the contrary whatsoever.

It amuses me that Rosabeez came on here rolling her eyes at yet another bitchy thread and the girls who thanked her are now.... oooops, using the first chance they get to be, "gosh", bitchy.

You're not exactly forwarding the sex there ladies.

I wasn't trying to be bitchy to you Pookie, just trying to lighten the mood.

pookie82 wrote: »

You're right, the term "girly" has become derogatory. I think it's because the media interpretation of being a girly girl now consists of buying shoes in large quantities, loving pink things, (like you say you're embarrassed to admit to doing) and generally being image obsessed. There's nothing of substance about their apparent concerns or interests. Just watch the adds on tv or more importantly, listen to the ones on the radio, like the recent airline one where the male voice advertising the low fairs is drowned out every now and again by the female voice moaning "shopping" in ecstasy, at the thoughts of getting to shop. There's another add on the radio promoting some sandwich ingredient, where the women bring their own lunches to work, adding ham, cheese bread and..... a healthy dollip of "GOSSIP!!!!" queue much "girly" giggling and excitment as they go off to lunch to tear their colleagues to shreds.

All of these traits of being obsessed with consumerism and material possessions and fickle conversation as opposed to being concerned about what's actually going on in the world is now considered "girly". And therefore it's taken on an air of idiocy and unaccountability.

Well, I might consider myself to be girly, but I'm not obsessed with shoes, shopping or gossip magazines. I would hate to think that anyone would make those assumptions about me just because I wore a pink dress, for example.

My point is that its too easy to make assumptions about other girls, and we should all generally try to be a little less judgemental. Especially when we're talking about what I inferred to be, when the OP referred to 'little princesses and daddies girls', young girls who have yet to find their feet as fully formed individuals.

pookie82

GirlInterrupted wrote: »

I would hate to think that anyone would make those assumptions about me just because I wore a pink dress, for example.

I didn't make my assumptions on what the girls were wearing though. I didn't even note it, my back was to them. I only glanced around to see what age group they were.

If I saw you in a pink dress I wouldn't think twice about it.

I judged them on what they were saying.

GirlInterrupted

pookie82 wrote: »

I didn't make my assumptions on what the girls were wearing though. I didn't even note it, my back was to them. I only glanced around to see what age group they were.

If I saw you in a pink dress I wouldn't think twice about it.

I judged them on what they were saying.

Thats fair enough Pookie, but when a group of girls are out together, the group dynamic takes over, and it's really hard to judge them as individuals.

They might all be somewhat different when you get them alone, and might surprise you pleasantly. I just think its unfair to judge them as people on such a dearth of evidence.