Gardaí to stand trial in connection with alleged assault on teenager

Overheal

msjones1 wrote: »

i wrote what i knew about this case

If you have something credible to say about the case, why don't you take it to a member of the Press? Boards is not the place for it.

msjones1

Overheal wrote: »

If you have something credible to say about the case, why don't you take it to a member of the Press? Boards is not the place for it.

i just wud like to say that i never passed comment on what was allaged to have happened my comment was on why the trail collapsed. my comment was on disclosure of evidence and why there is an investigation into the collapse. there is allegations on this thread of juror tampering, witness been paid to drop the case and even rape........

Overheal

msjones1 wrote: »

i just wud like to say that i never passed comment on what was allaged to have happened my comment was on why the trail collapsed. my comment was on disclosure of evidence and why there is an investigation into the collapse. there is allegations on this thread of juror tampering, witness been paid to drop the case and even rape........

Aaaaand all of that is unsubstantiated hoopblah unless of course you actually know something and if you do you would take it to someone in the media. You know that newspapers pay money to sources and leads for information? I know, it's madness.

msjones1

Overheal wrote: »

Aaaaand all of that is unsubstantiated hoopblah unless of course you actually know something and if you do you would take it to someone in the media. You know that newspapers pay money to sources and leads for information? I know, it's madness.

madness i agree:) but it will be out in papers in due course, and no not by me, i just wanted to put the other side out there as there is alot of mad theories going around.

Overheal

msjones1 wrote: »

madness i agree:) but it will be out in papers in due course, and no not by me, i just wanted to put the other side out there as there is alot of mad theories going around.

then unless you have an article to quote, you're spreading disinformation.

dvpower

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/assault-charge-gardai-for-retrial-next-june-481240.html

Four gardaí accused of beating a young man with batons after breaking into his flat have been sent forward for a retrial at Dublin Circuit Criminal Court.

Gardaí Sean O’Leary, Eoin Murtagh, Alan Conlon and Claire Delaney had pleaded not guilty at the previous trial to forcing entry to a Basin Street Upper premises, entering as trespassers and assaulting Mr Owen Gaffney (aged 21) causing him harm on February 17, 2008.

Gda Murtagh, Gda Conlon and Gda Delaney had also pleaded not guilty to the false imprisonment of Fidelma Gaffney on the same occasion.

Gardaí O’Leary, Murtagh and Delaney are based in Kilmainham Garda Station and Gda Conlon is based at Kevin Street Garda Station.

Judge Katherine Delahunt set a date in June 2011 for the retrial after the previous case collapsed due to legal difficulties.

jackiebaron

Well that gives them another 8 months to box the head off Gaffney a few more times.

dvpower

jackiebaron wrote: »

Well that gives them another 8 months to box the head off Gaffney a few more times.

His civil case might be settled by then.

msjones1

dvpower wrote: »

His civil case might be settled by then.

i think the trial has to take place first before a civil case can be heard.

Lorcan78

No one should be above the law , these pigs need to be made an example of and locked away for whatever time suitable for the crimes they have committed , they should be locked up with the general population alongside the rest of the prisoners , cause let's face it , they are one and the same and deserve to be treated like dog's ....

MagicSean

Lorcan78 wrote: »

No one should be above the law , these pigs need to be made an example of and locked away for whatever time suitable for the crimes they have committed , they should be locked up with the general population alongside the rest of the prisoners , cause let's face it , they are one and the same and deserve to be treated like dog's ....

Fantastic contribution.

dvpower

Lorcan78 wrote: »

No one should be above the law

Yeah, that's right. We need to apply the law evenly to everyone.

Lorcan78 wrote: »

these pigs need to be made an example of and locked away for whatever time suitable for the crimes they have committed , they should be locked up with the general population alongside the rest of the prisoners , cause let's face it , they are one and the same and deserve to be treated like dog's ....

Yeah, that's right. Screw the law. Lock these pigs up now.

Spacedog

Probably wanted to be like Detective Jerry Lynch...

Hate your opponent, Hate him!... and you'll never give less than a hundred percent!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlorlsDJyV0

AudreyHepburn

jackiebaron wrote: »

We'll try this again.

The convictions that someone has in the past DOES NOT ALLOW FOR MEMBERS OF THE POLICE FORCE TO ENTER HIS HOME AND BEAT HIM.

Can you not get that into your head? Why are you bringing up his past convictions? Why does ANYONE on here think that when you commit a crime, are tried, convicted and sentenced, serve the sentence and are released that you are automatically on the list of those people who can have his door knocked down and his head kicked in by the gardai at any time of their choosing at any point in your life?

I never said it excused what happened. I was making the point that he was not the poor innocent young lad who never did anything wrong that people here seem to be making out he was.

If he is the same Eoin Gaffney I read about in the paper online then he is a member of drug gang and total thug. Not to mention he assaulted and broke the jaw of a female Garda.

I personally have little sympathy for any man who assaults a woman.

Can we please stop trying to delude ourselves the Gardai are now targeting innocent law-abiding citzens just to make themselves feel more powerful

I'll say this once more. There were no planned arrests or raids for this area on the night in question and there was no warrant issued for anyone's arrest OR for their premises to be searched. Can you not understand that?

Has that actually been confirmed or is it merely what the Defence is claiming?

And they didn't randomly target his house. Where did you get that idea?

From the way it is being talked about in this thread. People seemed to think the Gardai randomly decided to enter this innoncent young lad's house for no reason.

I find it hard to believe they didn't have a motive even if it is a questionable one.

Monty Burnz

Just wondering where the evidence in this case is coming from? Is it just the dangerous scumbag and the woman who raised the dangerous scumbag who are claiming an unprovoked beating? Could be tricky getting a conviction in that case.

Obviously if the Gardai in question did carry out a random beating of the guy on his bed, they should be in major trouble.

heavyballs

k_mac wrote: »

Fantastic contribution.

firstly i presume you're missing this:rolleyes:

secondly i agree with most of what was said in the previous post,his contribution was 'fantastic' in comparison to your's

RAH1

any word on this case?

amdublin

See post #707 above

dev100

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I never said it excused what happened. I was making the point that he was not the poor innocent young lad who never did anything wrong that people here seem to be making out he was.

If he is the same Eoin Gaffney I read about in the paper online then he is a member of drug gang and total thug. Not to mention he assaulted and broke the jaw of a female Garda.

I personally have little sympathy for any man who assaults a woman.

Can we please stop trying to delude ourselves the Gardai are now targeting innocent law-abiding citzens just to make themselves feel more powerful



2 wrongs dont make a right Audrey


\

In this case, they do.

wicklowstevo

now that them four gardai have been cleared for the SECOND time do any of you want to apoligise to them for your abusive and obnoxiois coments ? or mabey you would like to apoligise to the lads from the so called rape tape which has now been shown to be tampered with ?? anyone ? didnt think so. too busy shouting just for the sake of being heard , bunch of hypocrits

wicklowstevo

Lorcan78 wrote: »

No one should be above the law , these pigs need to be made an example of and locked away for whatever time suitable for the crimes they have committed , they should be locked up with the general population alongside the rest of the prisoners , cause let's face it , they are one and the same and deserve to be treated like dog's ....

, how are you able to type with your webbed together fingers ? or is that scumbag a close presonal friend (supplyer ) of yours ?

the bolt

wicklowstevo wrote: »

now that them four gardai have been cleared for the SECOND time do any of you want to apoligise to them for your abusive and obnoxiois coments ? or mabey you would like to apoligise to the lads from the so called rape tape which has now been shown to be tampered with ?? anyone ? didnt think so. too busy shouting just for the sake of being heard , bunch of hypocrits

no to the gaffeney case ,the sts case was a storm in a tea cup never understood what the fuss was all about.just dont think the gardai should be down there in the first place

amdublin

wicklowstevo wrote: »

now that them four gardai have been cleared for the SECOND time do any of you want to apoligise to them for your abusive and obnoxiois coments ? or mabey you would like to apoligise to the lads from the so called rape tape which has now been shown to be tampered with ?? anyone ? didnt think so. too busy shouting just for the sake of being heard , bunch of hypocrits

wicklowstevo wrote: »

, how are you able to type with your webbed together fingers ? or is that scumbag a close presonal friend (supplyer ) of yours ?

Howya Guard *tips hand to head*

They mustn't do great English writing classes in Templemore eh?

MagicSean

amdublin wrote: »

Howya Guard *tips hand to head*

They mustn't do great English writing classes in Templemore eh?

English writing is generally done in school.

amdublin

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

English writing is generally done in school.

Yeah true.

I assume they do training on Report Writing and Note Taking in Templemore. Can't imagine this lad came top of that class :cool:

MagicSean

amdublin wrote: »

Yeah true.

I assume they do training on Report Writing and Note Taking in Templemore. Can't imagine this lad came top of that class :cool:

In fairness, he's not doing an exam. This is only After Hours.

amdublin

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

In fairness, he's not doing an exam. This is only After Hours.

True.

But come on we're insulting the AH regulars by saying that his standard of prose in anyway acceptable. AH or not it's bad.

slurcher

wicklowstevo wrote: »

now that them four gardai have been cleared for the SECOND time do any of you want to apoligise to them for your abusive and obnoxiois coments ? or mabey you would like to apoligise to the lads from the so called rape tape which has now been shown to be tampered with ?? anyone ? didnt think so. too busy shouting just for the sake of being heard , bunch of hypocrits

Not tampered with, read the story, unrelated material on the video camera, which was filmed by other students was deleted by the university. The recording by the gardai was not tampered with. The 'independent' ombudsman decided that the unrelated material deleted from the tape made the 40 minute recording inadmissible. The university asked the ombudsman to supervise the deletion of other recordings made by other students, but they refused.

MagicSean

slurcher wrote: »

Not tampered with, read the story, unrelated material on the video camera, which was filmed by other students was deleted by the university. The recording by the gardai was not tampered with. The 'independent' ombudsman decided that the unrelated material deleted from the tape made the 40 minute recording inadmissible. The university asked the ombudsman to supervise the deletion of other recordings made by other students, but they refused.

Unrelated material? I would have thought the part leading up to it was very related. Especially as it highlights the protesters as the people who brought up rape and made a mockery of victims of sex crimes.

Bosco boy

How a university felt they had the right to alter a tape that was part of a criminal investigation is beyond me, how they were allowed to do it by the garda ombudsman is absolutely crazy, the gardai at the centre of this allegation have been defamed and i hope they take legal action and join the university, and the ombudsman in the proceedings with those who made the false allegation. I genuinely believe that the persons responsible for altering this tape have committed a criminal offence and should be prosecuted, they could be prosecuted for fustrating a prosecution (even if it was that of the Gardai ). If the evidence on this tape was anti gardai the university would have waited for their footage. What was deleted was deleted for a reason. Heads should roll in the university!

up for anything

slurcher wrote: »

Not tampered with, read the story, unrelated material on the video camera, which was filmed by other students was deleted by the university. The recording by the gardai was not tampered with. The 'independent' ombudsman decided that the unrelated material deleted from the tape made the 40 minute recording inadmissible. The university asked the ombudsman to supervise the deletion of other recordings made by other students, but they refused.

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

Unrelated material? I would have thought the part leading up to it was very related. Especially as it highlights the protesters as the people who brought up rape and made a mockery of victims of sex crimes.

Small Sean, I think you read that incorrectly. The students' tape had been tampered with (some of it deleted by the university) not the Gardaí recording which was the one making a mockery of rape. Because the other tape had been fecked with the ombudsman decided the Gardaí recording was inadmissible. :rolleyes:

senordingdong

So the Gaffneys are said to have cobled together their story.
How did the 'fake' warrant turn out to be real?

MagicSean

up for anything wrote: »

Small Sean, I think you read that incorrectly. The students' tape had been tampered with (some of it deleted by the university) not the Gardaí recording which was the one making a mockery of rape. Because the other tape had been fecked with the ombudsman decided the Gardaí recording was inadmissible. :rolleyes:

As you can clearly see my username is Seanbeag, not Small Sean. Your attempt at insulting me is laughable at best.

It was the same "tape". It was actually a digital recording afaik. A number of files and part of the recording were removed before it was handed over to the Ombudsman.

If you hear a recording of me saying "I raped a woman" then it sounds pretty bad for me. If you then hear the full recording in whcih I actually say "And then he told me 'I raped a woman" it doesn't sound bad for me at all. That's what you call context.

Two Gardaí making a private joke about being called a rapist is not making a mockery of rape. It's just black humour. On the other hand, editing and publishing that tape in an effort to further your political and criminal agenda while at the same time acting as a victim is disgraceful and an affront to true victims of rape. In addition shouting "rape" at the drop of a hat is not only pathetic but it also makes life difficult for true victims who want to speak out.

EDIT: From the Examiner

The recording, on which gardaí were alleged to have joked about raping two women arrested during the protest, was modified on four occasions on the eve of its confiscation, according to an interim report compiled by the commission.

The alterations included the deletion of six files overnight between April 13 and 14. Other files were created and overwritten on four occasions between 2.45am and 7.14am, the report said.

MagicSean

senordingdong wrote: »

So the Gaffneys are said to have cobled together their story.
How did the 'fake' warrant turn out to be real?

You don't need a warrant to enter someones home for the purpose of arresting them. I believe this was how they justified the charge of unlawful entry and tresspass. Not exactly sure what reason was given for not arresting him once they entered but I think it was something to do with the level of violent ressistance he put up which made it dangerous for them to continue their attempt. None of this is unreasonable as an explanation and obviously the jury believed it having heard all the facts.

pragmatic1

easyeason3 wrote: »

+ 1.

Beatings for all I say!

Yep a good kicking never hurt anyone.

billyhead

I am sick to the teeth of the amount of Garda bashing that goes on in this forum. This lad deserved a few thumps. He was a scumbag and if he went to court for whatever offence he committed no doubt about it he would be either send to jail for a small length of time with free food, accomodation and whatever other priviledges they get their or let out on some stupid probation or suspended sentence as a result of our lax legal system. These scumbags have no respect for the Guards or normal law abiding folks. He didn't get enough slaps if you ask me. Bring back Lugs Brannigan and the likes because its the only way to deal with them.

Gerone71

I agree with everything you have said SeánBeag1. There are 2 sides on this thread, those who stand up for justice like yourself and those who would like to see innocent Gardaí send down just for doing their job. Its funny the way the latter will call the Gardaí when they are in trouble themselves. I really hate these Garda haters.