Gardaí to stand trial in connection with alleged assault on teenager

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I think that this is disgraceful. 4 Gardai should not have to stand trial for giving a person from a lower social ecconomic group an alleged hideing. It's just not right. The Gards should be able to do what ever they like.


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Four gardaí will stand trial after allegedly assaulting a teenager, a court heard today.

Garda Alan Conlon, Garda Claire Delaney, Garda Eoin Murtagh and Garda Sean O’Leary, who are all based in Dublin city centre, have been charged with assault causing harm and forcible entry.

Three of the accused are also charged with false imprisonment.

The charges relate to an incident at Basin Street flats in the south inner city on February 17, 2008 where the teenager’s mother alleged her son was attacked and a complaint was later made to the Garda Ombudsman.

All four appeared briefly before Dublin District Court, where they were served with the Book of Evidence.

Judge Eamon O’Brien, who sent the defendants forward for trial at the next sitting of Dublin’s Circuit Criminal Court in June, ordered the addresses of the gardai not to be disclosed.

SV

I've heard enough about Gardaí giving beatings to people. Tis about time I heard of someone actually standing up to them.

Proper order.

Roberto Clever Vacuum

Roberto Clever Vacuum wrote: »

I think that this is disgraceful. 4 Gardai should not have to stand trial for giving a person from a lower social ecconomic group an alleged hideing. It's just not right. The Gards should be able to do what ever they like.

Are you serious?

User45701

well i count the times gardai have failed me and people i know to a large degree - 3 times but they once helped us out so i count 2 gardai failures - one more and they will be back up to 3 and ill have to write some sort of letter.

Gardai and goverment personel who fail in their duties or steal or assault or get away with things others do not should be punished. i hope all 4 gardai get named and shamed on the front page of a few papers

Degsy

There's plenty of people knocking around and the only thing they'd understand is a good hiding.
Little mouthy scumbags who get away with murder at home and "know thier rights" when the cops go to tackle them.
Dirty little shiites,we need a few Lugs Brannigan style cops to give them proper justice.

easyeason3

Degsy wrote: »

There's plenty of people knocking around and the only thing they'd understand is a good hiding.
Little mouthy scumbags who get away with murder at home and "know thier rights" when the cops go to tackle them.
Dirty little shiites,we need a few Lugs Brannigan style cops to give them proper justice.

+ 1.

Beatings for all I say!

regob

they deserved the beating preoper order. you just know theyw ere causing ****

Degsy

Degsy wrote: »

There's plenty of people knocking around and the only thing they'd understand is a good hiding.
Little mouthy scumbags who get away with murder at home and "know thier rights" when the cops go to tackle them.
Dirty little shiites,we need a few Lugs Brannigan style cops to give them proper justice.

QFT

The same people here giving out about the Gardai I'm sure would be the same people who'd be giving out stink about the guards not being able to do shít when it came to some little scumbags in their area making their lives hell.

What exactly do you want to happen? The scum to get a nice little settlement? Go and ****e.

beerbaron

easyeason3 wrote: »

Beatings for some !

Miniature beatings for others !

Tom65

Roberto Clever Vacuum wrote: »

I think that this is disgraceful. 4 Gardai should not have to stand trial for giving a person from a lower social ecconomic group an alleged hideing. It's just not right. The Gards should be able to do what ever they like.

:eek:

Degsy

regob wrote: »

they deserved the beating preoper order. you just know theyw ere causing ****

And the mother too..seeing she was the one who alleged the assault...probably in her PJs.
So what were the cops doing at her flat in the first place if the kid was completely innocent?
These people and thier waster parents make me sick.

Nodin

Degsy wrote: »

There's plenty of people knocking around and the only thing they'd understand is a good hiding.
Little mouthy scumbags who get away with murder at home and "know thier rights" when the cops go to tackle them.
Dirty little shiites,we need a few Lugs Brannigan style cops to give them proper justice.

So instead of thugs running round the streets chased by Gardai, we have thugs chased by uniformed thugs, the latter less accountable to the law than the former.

Degsy wrote: »

Little mouthy scumbags who get away with murder at home and "know thier rights" when the cops go to tackle them..

Whats that got to do with this case, exactly?

Dudess

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

What exactly do you want to happen? The scum to get a nice little settlement? Go and ****e.

Yes, of course. A person being opposed to garda violence could only be in favour of thugs getting a nice little settlement.

Nodin

Degsy wrote: »

And the mother too..seeing she was the one who alleged the assault...probably in her PJs
.

O look, wild speculation and the attempt to besmirch by implying stereotypes.

Degsy wrote: »

So what were the cops doing at her flat in the first place if the kid was completely innocent?.

I was unaware that Gardai automatically manifested at the home of wrong doers with unerring accuracy. Why bother with trials, following that logic....

To invert the question, if this person was guilty of something, why wasn't he arrested and charged?

johnny_knoxvile

Degsy wrote: »

There's plenty of people knocking around and the only thing they'd understand is a good hiding.
Little mouthy scumbags who get away with murder at home and "know thier rights" when the cops go to tackle them.
Dirty little shiites,we need a few Lugs Brannigan style cops to give them proper justice.

i agree to a point because this country is out of control with violent thugs, who dont fear the justice system.

But in this case, its pure stupidity on the part of the Gardaì.

SoupyNorman

Nodin wrote: »

So instead of thugs running round the streets chased by Gardai, we have thugs chased by uniformed thugs, the latter less accountable to the law than the former.



Whats that got to do with this case, exactly?

Say goodbye to your ass, it's about to be owned.

John_Mc

Nodin wrote: »

To invert the question, if this person was guilty of something, why wasn't he arrested and charged?

Quite a lot of the time someone is guilty but it cannot be proven, or they get off on a technicality.

Justice is NOT always served... particularly in this country.

Degsy

if the kids were in fear of getting abeating they might not behave with quite the same antisocial exuberance they display at the moment.

The fact is that they're afraid of practically nothing except losing face,a publicly administered beating or some form of humiliating community service would work wonders.

Degsy

SoupyNorman wrote: »

Say goodbye to your ass, it's about to be owned.

Ignore him,its easier that way!:D

Itsdacraic

There should be more of this kind of action by the Gardai. Fcuk the little scumbag, it's nothing his father shouldn't have given him.

SoupyNorman

Degsy wrote: »

Ignore him,its easier that way!:D

Ah thats no fun...tie them up in knots...as is your Forté.

SoupyNorman

The fact anyone even leans towards questioning the guards using a heavy hand on the scum of the country
Are no better then that scum.

I’d say it is a great feeling to arrest a silky tracksuited scumbag. Sticking a good sharp knee in the back and a hand on the hand head to acquaint the lowlife with mr. pavement, makes you almost want to join the guards.

Degsy

Itsdacraic wrote: »

There should be more of this kind of action by the Gardai. Fcuk the little scumbag, it's nothing his father shouldn't have given him.

If his scumbag mother knows who the father is.

Its the lack of a father in a lot of these households that cause the problem,obviously the mothers never heard of contraception but they DID hear about the free accomadation for unmarried mothers.

yeneewss

Roberto Clever Vacuum wrote: »

I think that this is disgraceful. 4 Gardai should not have to stand trial for giving a person from a lower social ecconomic group an alleged hideing. It's just not right. The Gards should be able to do what ever they like.

Presume you are being sarcastic? I mean, the Gardai do do what they like - they drive without indicating, cut red lights, park where they want - edge of kerbs, bus stops, they have even taken over all the on street parking in Church Street at the back of the Bridewell, never come when you want them, hassle kids on street corners for playing football but never deal with the teenage/"foreign national" drinking/drug-taking in public parks. What's assaulting a teenager in the scheme of things! After all, the Gardai in Ireland are literally untouchable - no-one confronts them about anything, even the small things like illegal parking, so why should they worry. And their attitude to drug dealers/halting sites full of ammunition and weapons is "why pursue it, they will only get off with a minor sentence when they get to Court anway", so why bother. Of course, with judges who take into consideration their drug addiction, poor family history, etc. and hand down pathetic sentences, who can blame them on that one. 12 years for cutting two women up and disposing of the bodies but serving not even half that! Justice in Ireland is a joke!

Cuddlesworth

Degsy wrote: »

There's plenty of people knocking around and the only thing they'd understand is a good hiding.
Little mouthy scumbags who get away with murder at home and "know thier rights" when the cops go to tackle them.
Dirty little shiites,we need a few Lugs Brannigan style cops to give them proper justice.

+1 for Degsy,

Beatings for some, miniature American flags for others.

SoupyNorman

Degsy wrote: »

but they DID hear about the free accomadation for unmarried mothers.

It's the first thing they hear when they splodge out of the heroin lined womb.

SoupyNorman

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

+1 for Degsy,

Beatings for some, miniature American flags for others.

American flags for some, Sterilization additives put the water supply for others.

Degsy

SoupyNorman wrote: »

It's the first thing they hear when they splodge out of the heroin lined womb.

Yep,they've turned having bastard kids into a career choice.

Itsdacraic

SoupyNorman wrote: »

Sterilization additives put the water supply for others.

that is something we should strongly consider.

I'd rather see this little scumbag get a few boxes around the head rather than a suspended sentence from some old fart out of touch judge.

SoupyNorman

There is zero consequence for scum crime now, they compare rap sheets and admire the person with the most convictions.

If I was ever convicted for even a minor crime like cannabis possession for personal use (E.G!) it’d have a cataclysmic impact on my life.

For them, class A drug possessions, assaults of every kind, robberies of every kind and even murders have them nipping in and out of prison where while in there they team up with their mates and order dominos and play pool.

If I was a multi-millionaire I’d buy Roscommon (as it would not be missed) and build the scariest fukkin prison Europe has ever seen…no privileges, no rights and ‘power sprinklers’ in ever cell so if the little ruddagers wanna get smart with durty protests they’d have the Shannon river to rinse them off.


And also…the royal crap would be beaten out of them on a daily basis.


Dont really want this to sound like a rant about 'the system', the main point is...no matter what the source is they deserve every slap they get.

Degsy

Itsdacraic wrote: »

that is something we should strongly consider.

I'd rather see this little scumbag get a few boxes around the head rather than a suspended sentence from some old fart out of touch judge.

A few months in mountjoy is no deterent anyway,half thier family and friends are in there.
These idiots regard St Pats as being thier primary school and Montjoy thier secondary school.
They regard having done a bit of "bird" as a badge of honour.
Utter,utter scum.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Degsy wrote: »

There's plenty of people knocking around and the only thing they'd understand is a good hiding.
Little mouthy scumbags who get away with murder at home and "know thier rights" when the cops go to tackle them.
Dirty little shiites,we need a few Lugs Brannigan style cops to give them proper justice.

Actually I disagree.

Lugs Brannigan and his ilk were/are nothing but bullies & scumbags.

And further more the same sh*tbag who feels he's above the law because he's the one enforcing sections of it is the same bollox who'll do you for a few KPH over the limit, or who'll carry out mandatory breath testing on you this weekend or next yet feel that by flashing his badge he's above the same law's.

Irish society is right to stand up to this type of abuse, we've doffed our hat's for long enough at our 'betters', ie priests, doctors, police, bankers etc and it suits these bullies to have you and I feel that we're still on our knee's.

We're not living in our parents & grandparents shadows anymore Degsy, and just because this lad is living at the bottom of the food chain doesn't mean its ok to abuse or assault him, or indeed for us to look down on him.

Right or wrong, the courts will sit in judgement over the guards actions - and guilty or not guilty this just might be the start of people in authority in this god forsaken country to feel their also accountable for their actions.

.

Pyr0

How exactly did they "attack" him ? It doesn't say anywhere that they kicked the sh!t out of him, we all know these situations can be manipulated. You could have a situation where a person is resisting arrest, the guards drag him to the ground and now all of a sudden they're "assaulting" him.

buckieburd

Degsy wrote: »

A few months in mountjoy is no deterent anyway,half thier family and friends are in there.
These idiots regard St Pats as being thier primary school and Montjoy thier secondary school.
They regard having done a bit of "bird" as a badge of honour.
Utter,utter scum.

Take a deep breath and go to your happy place....

Rics

I don't think anyone can really assume anything about these types of cases unless they were actually there.
Regardless of where the person is from it does not mean he was causing trouble.
I know someone who's been arrested for not moving off a public path before and did nothing. Mistakes can be made, gardai can be wrong, so can people. It all depends on the individual case in question.

SoupyNorman

Rics wrote: »

I don't think anyone can really assume anything about these types of cases unless they were actually there.

Well actually we can, this is AH. In AH someone could assume that the sun is going to burn out tomorrow and somebody will agree and then it will gain enough support to be actually true.


It's a magical,wondrous place.

thelordofcheese

Emerald Curved Cap wrote: »

Actually I disagree.

Lugs Brannigan and his ilk were/are nothing but bullies & scumbags.

indeed.
If people are ok with sanctioning shitheads like 'lugs' to beat people as they see fit they have no right to complain when they're given a beating because the gardai felt like it.

Something people like to conveniently forget when they champion 'backalley justice' or whatever they are calling their revenge fantasies this time.

Nodin

SoupyNorman wrote: »

Say goodbye to your ass, it's about to be owned.

So far it seems to be fine where it is.

John Mc wrote:

Quite a lot of the time someone is guilty but it cannot be proven, or they get off on a technicality.

Justice is NOT always served... particularly in this country.

And that relates to this case how...?

Degsy wrote:

if the kids were in fear of getting abeating they might not behave with quite the same antisocial exuberance they display at the moment.

The fact is that they're afraid of practically nothing except losing face,a publicly administered beating or some form of humiliating community service would work wonders. .

Such was the case for much of the last 500 years. It didn't work.

Degsy wrote:

Ignore him,its easier that way!.

So you've no answer to the questions posed in posts 12 and 14 then....

Degsy wrote:

If his scumbag mother knows who the father is.

Its the lack of a father in a lot of these households that cause the problem,obviously the mothers never heard of contraception but they DID hear about the free accomadation for unmarried mothers. .

A red herring? Flame bait? Or just talking crap? It's a shame I can't insert a poll.....

Degsy

Emerald Curved Cap wrote: »

Actually I disagree.

Lugs Brannigan and his ilk were/are nothing but bullies & scumbags.

Well they were using fire to fight fire then.

Lugs Brannigan and his merry men broke up plenty of altercations the old fashioned way and spent less time clogging up the courts.
I'm not blindly pro-gardai as such but i think thier job has become nearly impossible due to the level of disrespect a lot of young cnunts show to everybody and everything.
I'll give you an example.
There was adocu about lawless irieland ona while back and it showed three arseholes kicking the window out of a bus while it was moving.
The fool who did it tried to cahnge places on the bus but stayed on it till it was his stop.
Accordingto the presenter,he was so well known he was apprehended soon afterwards.
fair enough,except he was on the same bus bragging about it a while later(i heard him),he was bragging about what he'd done,the fact that nobody had stopped him and that he'd gotten a "charge sheet".
In the eyes of his two mates he was a hero...despite the fact that a busw indow landing on somebody couldve killed them.
What he really needed was an excercise in humiliation...Maybe strip him naked and kick him round the streets,get him to beg on camera and show that for him to brag about.
Trust me,if i'd been on the bus when he did it,he'd be following the glass onto the street but then i'd probably go to jail.
And sorry,but if the cops breathalise me they're not going to find anything so i couldnt care less about them doing it.

Nodin

thelordofcheese wrote: »

indeed.
If people are ok with sanctioning shitheads like 'lugs' to beat people as they see fit they have no right to complain when they're given a beating because the gardai felt like it.

Something people like to conveniently forget when they champion 'backalley justice' or whatever they are calling their revenge fantasies this time.

So far in this thread I don't think anyone has even bothered to address the facts of the specific case. It's 'bash the scumbag' without a clue who or what the 'scumbag' is supposed to have done, or the cops, for that matter.

Holsten

The little scummer probably deserved it.

Nodin

Degsy wrote: »

Lugs Brannigan and his merry men broke up plenty of altercations the old fashioned way and spent less time clogging up the courts..

The four Gardai are not being charged with something that happened during the breaking up of an 'altercation'.

Degsy wrote: »

I'm not blindly ........doing it.

And what are the similarities between the incident in question and that one....?

Holsten wrote:

The little scummer probably deserved it..

'probably'. Great stuff.

SEPT 23 1989

all they understand is pure violence

Degsy

Holsten wrote: »

The little scummer probably deserved it.

More than likely.
If he did nothing wrong what were the cops doing with him in the first palce?
MAybe they wanted to hnour him with a medal for outstanding community work and they jabbed him accidentaly with the pin.

johnny_knoxvile

Most of the people in here giving out about Lugz, and his style of justice have never been on the receiving end of what the criminals and such are dishing out.

If they or their family were, they would quickly change their tune.

The courts don't offer Justice.

Nodin

Degsy wrote: »

If he did nothing wrong what were the cops doing with him in the first palce?

If he did something wrong, why wasn't he arrested?

Degsy

johnny_knoxvile wrote: »

Most of the people in here giving out about Lugz, and his style of justice have never been on the receiving end of what the criminals and such are dishing out.

If they or their family were, they would quickly change their tune.

The courts don't offer Justice.

Exactly.
Most people who harp on about courts and justice and all that bollocks are the first to say "I'd ****in kill them" the first time they fall victim to crime.

soups05

has anyone even considered that the gardi may not have hit the kid and its just a bs complaint from someone looking to sue the state.

also how do you know the kid has not been charged? the case could be with the ddp

Degsy

Nodin wrote: »

If he did something wrong, why wasn't he arrested?

Who says he wasnt arrested?

Nodin

Degsy wrote: »

Who says he wasnt arrested?

The Gardai.

According to garda sources, no attempt to arrest the man who claims he was assaulted was made although a considerable number of uniformed gardai were inside the flat.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/nine-gardai-face-investigation-over-claim-of-serious-assault-1311598.html

thelordofcheese

johnny_knoxvile wrote: »

Most of the people in here giving out about Lugz, and his style of justice have never been on the receiving end of what the criminals and such are dishing out.

If they or their family were, they would quickly change their tune.

The courts don't offer Justice.

yes they do, they just don't offer revenge.

People really need to learn the difference between those two words.