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I want to be bullied

  • 13-05-2009 11:59am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭


    I male
    Up until I was 18 I was regularly bullied, I find it hard to admit that I was and that I was hurt by it.
    Now I am older not by much but I have more sense now and I have worked hard on making myself a very confident and strong person.
    The problem is I have no way of proving it, I desperatly want someone to try and bully me so I can lay down the law like I should have back when I was younger.
    I have tought about being different to lure people into bullying me but this is just silly. I need this terribly, I need to prove that I am what I think I am.
    I have worked hard to strip away any fantasies I had about myself, like believing I was strong etc I saw myself for what I was and became stronger by seeing the truth.
    Now I just want to prove to myself that all my hard work has paid off, I am no longer living a lie in my head.
    I need a situation where I can prove to myself my new found strength of character.
    I'm not a complete warmonger, I want to get along with people above all else and will give them the benefit of the doubt, but I need an attack, I really need the challenge.


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,145 ✭✭✭DonkeyStyle \o/


    Get a job in a call center.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    Keep away from hassle and hold your head high, asking for trouble makes you the arse.

    also what happens if you get your ass kicked? you'll be back to square 1..

    just be happy that you've more confidence and remember this is what keeps bullys away.

    oh, your not a kid anymore-so bullying will play less a part in your life anyway..

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Slow Motion


    I male
    Up until I was 18 I was regularly bullied, I find it hard to admit that I was and that I was hurt by it.
    Now I am older not by much but I have more sense now and I have worked hard on making myself a very confident and strong person.
    The problem is I have no way of proving it, I desperatly want someone to try and bully me so I can lay down the law like I should have back when I was younger.
    I have tought about being different to lure people into bullying me but this is just silly. I need this terribly, I need to prove that I am what I think I am.
    I have worked hard to strip away any fantasies I had about myself, like believing I was strong etc I saw myself for what I was and became stronger by seeing the truth.
    Now I just want to prove to myself that all my hard work has paid off, I am no longer living a lie in my head.
    I need a situation where I can prove to myself my new found strength of character.
    I'm not a complete warmonger, I want to get along with people above all else and will give them the benefit of the doubt, but I need an attack, I really need the challenge.

    No you don't! That is a very dangerous road to go down and you may end up being a bully because of it! How would that sit with you? Let it go and move on!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    I'm not talking about looking for fights on the street, I mean in work situations etc
    If I do get my ass kicked, I wont give a damn. They'll be lucky if they get that far.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,115 ✭✭✭✭Nervous Wreck


    Ironically OP, you don't really seem to have any sort of new 'strength of character'. The strongest thing you can do for yourself is let it go. To me, it sounds like you were a wimpy kid who had enough and went to the gym to buff up. Now that you're more capable of taking care of yourself, you want to unleash your anger and pain on the world to prove that you came out 'better' for it. Inviting a fight is the same as starting one. Don't let yourself become the bully. You've obviously found a physical confidence in yourself. Now work on the inside. Let the anger go and live for yourself. Forget proving your silly macho point.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    If you were truly over the bullying and the effect it had on you, you would not be seeking to prove yourself in this way. A secure individual would realise that was the past and they're a diferent person now. A person that only needs to prove themselves to themselves. This is not the way to prove that. You need to find and fix these unresolved self esteem issues another way. I can guarantee if someone does try and bully you and you over react and take them on, you'll be back to square one, only on the other side of the fence. I would suggest counseling if I were you.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭coadyj


    I male
    Up until I was 18 I was regularly bullied, I find it hard to admit that I was and that I was hurt by it.
    Now I am older not by much but I have more sense now and I have worked hard on making myself a very confident and strong person.
    The problem is I have no way of proving it, I desperatly want someone to try and bully me so I can lay down the law like I should have back when I was younger.
    I have tought about being different to lure people into bullying me but this is just silly. I need this terribly, I need to prove that I am what I think I am.
    I have worked hard to strip away any fantasies I had about myself, like believing I was strong etc I saw myself for what I was and became stronger by seeing the truth.
    Now I just want to prove to myself that all my hard work has paid off, I am no longer living a lie in my head.
    I need a situation where I can prove to myself my new found strength of character.
    I'm not a complete warmonger, I want to get along with people above all else and will give them the benefit of the doubt, but I need an attack, I really need the challenge.

    How about this for an attack, you're a stupid moron. This is how people who were bullied end up becoming bullies. Your hard work and character reformation is bs as you sound to me like the puny little dweeb you were back when you were being bullied, why don't you take that energy and put it into something good, like I don't know an education, or even learning how to use spellcheck mr desperatly tought


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Slow Motion


    I'm not talking about looking for fights on the street, I mean in work situations etc
    If I do get my ass kicked, I wont give a damn. They'll be lucky if they get that far.

    So you're going to go into work and provoke a situation? Sounds like a bully to me, well done on going from one side to the other :rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    coadyj less of the personal attacks or you will be banned from this forum.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭TheInquisitor


    I'll meet you in the back yard after school....I guarantee you when you get in a fight you won't want it. I think subconsciously you don't want a fight because their not that difficuly to start... Build a bridge....


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭tony1kenobi


    Take up boxing. You sound like you've wound yourself up to the last and you are going to end up giving someone a slap that doesn't deserve it.

    You need a release to get that aggression out of you.

    Either that or get a job as a doorman in a nighclub. Your current temperement sounds spot on for that line of work.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭coadyj


    Wibbs wrote: »
    coadyj less of the personal attacks or you will be banned from this forum.

    sorry, but he did say he wanted it :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    What areyou thinking? The people you are provoking are the the people who bullied you in the first place - why are you trying to take it out on them/bully them??? You will never fix what happened to you. It happened you are stronger now - move on.

    You will not feel better once you do. You will just prove you can bully other people. Do you want to put them in the situation you were in when you were being bullied?

    It's good you feel you can stand up for yourself now. Use that when you need to (and only when you need to). Leave the innocent people who had nothing to do with any of this in the first place alone


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭genericguy


    I male
    Up until I was 18 I was regularly bullied, I find it hard to admit that I was and that I was hurt by it.
    Now I am older not by much but I have more sense now and I have worked hard on making myself a very confident and strong person.
    The problem is I have no way of proving it, I desperatly want someone to try and bully me so I can lay down the law like I should have back when I was younger.
    I have tought about being different to lure people into bullying me but this is just silly. I need this terribly, I need to prove that I am what I think I am.
    I have worked hard to strip away any fantasies I had about myself, like believing I was strong etc I saw myself for what I was and became stronger by seeing the truth.
    Now I just want to prove to myself that all my hard work has paid off, I am no longer living a lie in my head.
    I need a situation where I can prove to myself my new found strength of character.
    I'm not a complete warmonger, I want to get along with people above all else and will give them the benefit of the doubt, but I need an attack, I really need the challenge.

    Sorry Mr. Mitty, but that ain't no good idea.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Right I may have given the impression its a physical fight Im after, its not. I mean kind of a locking of horns type of thing.
    As for being a bully now, NO im not.
    Reading back on my post I sound like a prick, as I always do on these things.
    All I'm looking for is validation of my new character, I dont want to jump down the throat of the first person who laughs at me. I know how it feels to be bullied and I'm not going to do that either.
    I just feel regretful that I was'nt a strong enough person to stop it back then, I am now and just need to prove that to myself. I wanted to know if this was weird and the impression is it is,,, very.
    I only want to be bullied again so I can see how I react as a new person.
    I have come across as a complete ass.
    As for being a wimpy kid, yes I was and still am wimpy. This used to bother me but it doesnt anymore. This is why I was bullied in the first place.
    I dont know, after reading yer post I ve just realised that the sign of my change is that I'm not being bullied in the first place. I must be holding myself different or something.
    I never said I lured people into bullying me, just that I thought about it and it was silly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    coadyj wrote: »
    sorry, but he did say he wanted it :P

    Yeah, I actually thought it was funny!!
    But you made a good point based on my posts, and thats exactly what I come across as.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭Rics


    Get a job in a call center.

    This is true. I am posting from one right now and the stick you get can be brutal. Only thing is that you can't give any back, unless you want to lose your job you still have to conduct yourself in a reasonably professional manner.
    Pretty insance thread title, I thought you were a masochist or something!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,249 ✭✭✭✭Kinetic^


    Lame. You want to trap somebody and make them feel like crap so you can feel better?

    Grow up and stop living in the past.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭RossFixxxed


    It's hard to say anything without it being an attack. I have to say OP your post is the very definition of idiotic. You want to get bullied so you can THEN BULLY THAT PERSON, showing that you are over the bullying. So over the bullying you need to bully other people because YOU ARE OVER IT. YOU ARE SO OVER BULLYING that you need all this? Get my point. This is how the cycle goes, this is how the bullies start.

    Get some councelling, and if not at least cop on and let bygones be bygone, otherwise we'll have a post from some poor young one here about this psycho looking for fights in the office all the time.

    You're 18 man, time to put on the big boy pants.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Did you ever stop to consider that the reason nobody's attempted to bully you is *because* you have the confidence to deal with it? Bulllies by definition operate on weaker targets. You're no longer a weaker target, therefore you don't get bullied. Job done. Pat yourself on the back and hold your head high.

    The opposite of "being bullied" isn't "fighting bullies", it's "not being bullied". You've succeeded, let it drop.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    I have come across as an asshole, Im not one. Anyone who has described me as such in this thread was perfectly correct given my posts. I hope I can rectify that
    I was only asking if its a normal way to feel and its clearly not.
    As for being a wimpy kid, I was and still am wimpy. But I've learned to be cool with that thats who I am. Thats why I was bullied in the first place.
    I'm not going to jump down the throat of the first person who laughs at me, or be a prick.
    I know how it feels to be bullied and if i put someone through that I will have lost all touch with my humanity.
    I'm not looking for a physical fight. but a locking of horns type of thing, but having read this thread it is apparent to me that I am not being bullied anymore and that is the sign that I have changed.
    Thank you all very much.
    And who got the infraction for attacking me personally? Honestly when I read that posts I tought it was very funny and you were correct in your assesment with the way I had written previous posts.
    Thanks again


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 767 ✭✭✭claiva


    hello op,
    if you are serious about what you are saying, why don't you ask one of your friends brothers or something - someone you do not know - to do a little role play with you. This person could verbally abuse you and try to put you down. I know its not a real situation but it would enable you to utilise the tools you believe you now have at your disposal.
    Maybe agree a "safe word" to come out of the role playing if it gets too much etc.
    It could be done in private with this person to avoid humiliation in front of your mate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Take up an improv class, work a sales job, take up MMA. But please don't go looking for fights (verbal or physical) cos it makes you just as bad as the bullies who did it to you.

    If you got in a verbal fight with someone simply cos you know you could outdo them, you'd simply make them feel as small as you did back in the day. You may think you want that but you don't. It may feel good to you at the time but when you realise that this random person is feeling depressed about the situation, you'll realise that you've just become your tormentor.

    And we both know that when you were being bullied, you weren't jealous of the bully. You just wished they'd stop.

    Take up an MMA class or an improv class, it'll help you get out your stresses and will be a great way to meet new people.

    But definitely, try to let go of the past


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    I can relate completely to what the OP has said even though it might have came across badly. I myself was bullied when i was younger and it took a while to re-gain my confidence. Once i did however, i had this immense sense of frustration and anger with myself that i took such crap when i was younger and it really annoyed me. i promised myself that i would never take any crap off anyone again.

    I think for a while, i may have subconsciously got into situations like fights/arguments with people just to prove to myself my own strength and to let off a lot of pent-up anger (btw, i never started fights but i certainly didn't back down or avoid them.) This went on for a while and then i realised that it was not healthy for me....that all this anger was never going to solve anything....that basically i needed to let-go of the past. it's more difficult then people think it is to let go of such deeply emotional memories but i think i'm getting there. it's a gradual thing.

    i'm not sure if i'll ever fully let-go but i think you should try to channel this energy into something productive....maybe get into a sport and get rid of all the tension your feeling. You have no need to worry about finding situations to test your strength because they will inevitably come along during your life....prob when u least expect it.

    Good luck anyway!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    OP i was the same as you one time. You have to work on confidence and assertiveness so that it comes natural to you. What you are trying to do is different you are trying to go into a situation where you know you will get angry and you will be prepeared for it. But this wont make you confident in other situations. You have to be direct and firm not loud and angry


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭smileykey


    Take the fact that you are no longer getting bullied as a sign that you are strong. Bullies only pick on the weak. Getting bullied to prove your strong would entail either acting or becoming weak first.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 422 ✭✭zxcvbnm1


    If I do get my ass kicked, I wont give a damn. They'll be lucky if they get that far.

    Yiou sound like an idiot IMO for what it's worth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭wolfric


    I know you're getting a lot of mixed feedback but let me give my 2 cents. You're not an idiot or a bully.
    Have a watch of the film "never back down"
    Its quite interesting and you shouldn't go looking for a fight... i disagree with that. It just starts up **** because they're not the ones bullying and being put in their place now but being provoked. What you CAN do is this:

    I found with confidence i was able to talk to people a lot more. Slag them a bit friendly style and make a lot more friends. You should consider making that your goal. As for people messing with you, i can't deny it.. people do try mess with me every so often and showing exactly how much you've come out of your shel really does feel good.

    • Make friends
    • Make friends with your bullies and if they give you heat instead you know what to do
    • Join a dojo and learn how to fight. Putting your enegy into fighting in the ring or learning moves. You'll build confidence and learn your own body without having to damage anyone elses.

    Realise that sometimes people act like dicks to be friendly. I think its an irish thing and sometimes they can be just trying to be friendly... Of course if you take it the wrong way they become fustrated and think YOU'RE the one being the dick and take it out on you. In that case it becomes progressivly more like bullying.


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  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,352 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    zxcvbnm1 wrote: »
    Yiou sound like an idiot IMO for what it's worth.

    1 week ban for personal abuse


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,986 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    but I need an attack, I really need the challenge.

    Get a callcentre job, maybe Eircom/UPC or eflow as obvious examples
    You'll get more abuse in a week then most get in a year!

    Or get a job as a traffic warden and start lashing out the tickets. You'll need to be made of stern stuff :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭smegmar


    I male
    Up until I was 18 I was regularly bullied, I find it hard to admit that I was and that I was hurt by it.
    Now I am older not by much but I have more sense now and I have worked hard on making myself a very confident and strong person.
    The problem is I have no way of proving it, I desperatly want someone to try and bully me so I can lay down the law like I should have back when I was younger.
    I have tought about being different to lure people into bullying me but this is just silly. I need this terribly, I need to prove that I am what I think I am.
    I have worked hard to strip away any fantasies I had about myself, like believing I was strong etc I saw myself for what I was and became stronger by seeing the truth.
    Now I just want to prove to myself that all my hard work has paid off, I am no longer living a lie in my head.
    I need a situation where I can prove to myself my new found strength of character.
    I'm not a complete warmonger, I want to get along with people above all else and will give them the benefit of the doubt, but I need an attack, I really need the challenge.


    Well done Sir.

    It's so rare to find people who need this drive, and it is an amazing thing.
    Now days it's all no bully policy and political correctness. Fools can't see it is the greatest hardship in our lives that gives us the drive we need to accomplish so much. We need someone to torment us, to deride us. So we have the inner drive to prove them wrong.
    Look at any case example of genius in any field and you will see some torment the gave them access to their full potential.
    Issac Newton, "Eminem", Paul Merton, Sigmund Freud, countless others all account bullying in their youth as a key factor in their drive toward greatness.
    You many not believe me but the simple truth is

    BEING BULLIED IS GOOD FOR YOU


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,115 ✭✭✭✭Nervous Wreck


    smegmar wrote: »
    Well done Sir.

    It's so rare to find people who need this drive, and it is an amazing thing.
    Now days it's all no bully policy and political correctness. Fools can't see it is the greatest hardship in our lives that gives us the drive we need to accomplish so much. We need someone to torment us, to deride us. So we have the inner drive to prove them wrong.
    Look at any case example of genius in any field and you will see some torment the gave them access to their full potential.
    Issac Newton, "Eminem", Paul Merton, Sigmund Freud, countless others all account bullying in their youth as a key factor in their drive toward greatness.
    You many not believe me but the simple truth is

    BEING BULLIED IS GOOD FOR YOU


    You're skewing a truth. Overcoming adversity is key to anyone's social/emotional development... But the application of your emotions/drive/whatever afterwards decides whether you move on to greatness (in whatever form) or move back into a self-sustaining cycle of self degradation. In the OP's case, he wants to use his experiences in a negative way, seeking revenge for his past (or that's how it appears in the first post anyway). This is a really negative application, the positive being taking onboard his experiences and growing from them.

    What you're doing is making a half-assed connection between over-coming adversity and becoming suddenly great, neglecting to pay attention to the details of this particular scenario. And that's quite irresponsible, given the nature of this board.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,277 ✭✭✭poisonated


    smegmar wrote: »
    Well done Sir.

    It's so rare to find people who need this drive, and it is an amazing thing.
    Now days it's all no bully policy and political correctness. Fools can't see it is the greatest hardship in our lives that gives us the drive we need to accomplish so much. We need someone to torment us, to deride us. So we have the inner drive to prove them wrong.
    Look at any case example of genius in any field and you will see some torment the gave them access to their full potential.
    Issac Newton, "Eminem", Paul Merton, Sigmund Freud, countless others all account bullying in their youth as a key factor in their drive toward greatness.
    You many not believe me but the simple truth is

    BEING BULLIED IS GOOD FOR YOU


    I actualy agree with you up to a certain extent
    Being bullied is good for some..eg if you are walking around feeling sorry for yourself and no one is giving you the drive and the motivation to become something.Bullys can actualy motivate people to do something with their lives,it may not feel like it at the time but bullys harden you up in a way.That doesnt change the fact,however, that bullys are low life scum!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭wolfric


    smegmar wrote: »
    Well done Sir.

    It's so rare to find people who need this drive, and it is an amazing thing.
    Now days it's all no bully policy and political correctness. Fools can't see it is the greatest hardship in our lives that gives us the drive we need to accomplish so much. We need someone to torment us, to deride us. So we have the inner drive to prove them wrong.
    Look at any case example of genius in any field and you will see some torment the gave them access to their full potential.
    Issac Newton, "Eminem", Paul Merton, Sigmund Freud, countless others all account bullying in their youth as a key factor in their drive toward greatness.
    You many not believe me but the simple truth is

    BEING BULLIED IS GOOD FOR YOU

    It either breaks you or makes you. Unfortunately it often leads to suicide and low self esteam. It isn't being bullied that makes you stronger. Its being bullied and then having it stop and getting back on your feet with confidence. If you don't have the oppertunity or support then you simply crumble. Think of it like muscles. If you don't excerise them at all they are weak. If you excerise them non stop they cramp and don't work for a week and hurt like ****. If you excercise them on and off and give them time to recover and rebuild then they grow stronger.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,182 ✭✭✭nyarlothothep


    What? Newton et al got to where they were because of their talent and application, it had nothing to do with bullying. You're confusing a challenging environment with humiliation/suffering. This is a poor line of reasoning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭RossFixxxed


    All crime is committed by the living. Therefore living itself is the crime... it's logical... but it's wrong!

    Adversity can test and help us... bullying is a snide, pathetic cowards act that can undermine and set people back at a young age. I do agree we need to be snapped out of moping, but that's not the way.

    r


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Slow Motion


    smegmar wrote: »
    Well done Sir.

    It's so rare to find people who need this drive, and it is an amazing thing.
    Now days it's all no bully policy and political correctness. Fools can't see it is the greatest hardship in our lives that gives us the drive we need to accomplish so much. We need someone to torment us, to deride us. So we have the inner drive to prove them wrong.
    Look at any case example of genius in any field and you will see some torment the gave them access to their full potential.
    Issac Newton, "Eminem", Paul Merton, Sigmund Freud, countless others all account bullying in their youth as a key factor in their drive toward greatness.
    You many not believe me but the simple truth is

    BEING BULLIED IS GOOD FOR YOU

    I don't agree with personal abuse and certainly not in this forum! I would just like to point out though that your post sir, is an idiot!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭RossFixxxed


    I'd also add that Paul Merton, Eminem etc suffer from serious issues like bipolar etc too.... They have many times stated they have not had happy lives...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭smegmar


    To all those who disagree with my former post, I want you to examine this logic. The human form is the pinnacle of biological evolution. Apt, Nimble, Flexible, Strong and adaptive. this greatness in design did not come by chance, but by the harsh realities of evolution through survival of the fittest. It is solely because the hardship suffering and death of many Millions that we are so perfectly formed. Most of this is past through our genes, inheriting the strengths of our parents, but we humans have evolved even further then genes, we now have a cognitive mind, supposedly the first species in existence. So like the first fish to wander onto the earthen plains we have to develop to harsh conditions. We mush build thick skin and swiftness to avoid the new mental attacks. We need the bullying to give us eventual greater level and eventual immunity.
    Hypothetically if our world had been designed as perfect and cosy, with no beasts to attack us in the night we would never have evolved beyond the base creatures. Weak, lazy and un-intelligent, sack of blubber.
    Evolution has moved the the mental plain and we must move with it. Smack some sense into the weak so that they may develop strong


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,070 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    smegmar wrote: »
    Smack some sense into the weak so that they may develop strong

    I've never seen such total bull**** in all my life.

    If Darwin was alive today he'd die at the thoughts of his great theories being used to excuse barbaric behavior.
    We need the bullying to give us eventual greater level and eventual immunity

    wtf

    If we evolve to be 'immune' to bullying then bullying evolves parallel to it.

    Evolution is driven by survival, yes.
    But being bullied is not a survivalist issue, it's much deeper than that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,115 ✭✭✭✭Nervous Wreck


    smegmar wrote: »
    Weak, lazy and un-intelligent, sack of blubber.

    Funny, that's exactly how I was going to describe your application of this theory to a situation that, though it shares vital points, is totally different.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 59 ✭✭tomar-re


    smegmar wrote: »
    Well done Sir.

    You many not believe me but the simple truth is

    BEING BULLIED IS GOOD FOR YOU

    Have you any idea of the real world? Maybe we should call fat kids names cos that will help them loose weight? Why not just kick scrawny kids until they hit the gym?
    If you attack some people they will percivere but others will crumble, your mindset smacks of those that quote Nietzsche to justify why they bully people.

    Also on the flipside do you actually think that having more bullies out there is a good thing? Its not great to have more emotionally stunted and abusive individuals inflicting emotional pain on others.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 175 ✭✭Gemini Sister


    Hi OP.

    I know someone like you. He was bullied/belittled as a child.

    He found his voice as he hit his twenties and also turned into a really fit man. Unfortunately he was so repressed before that for so long that he turned into a total loudmouth agro knob. A complete loudmouth loaded bullet. e.g. once, in a muslim country, he went from restaurant to restaurant raging about why couldn't he get a hotdog? (muslims don't eat pork and he knew it).

    I think he just needed to 'redress the balance'. Finally he grew out of it naturally though being being beaten up helped. Nowadays he's a really sweet man (who may have started the jihad).

    You have the great advantage of knowing that you're bulling for a fight and why. You've copped on early. Take up a sport, not so you can kill people but just to burn off some agro. You'll be fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭RossFixxxed


    'Being bullied is good for you'.

    'Evolution'


    That's NOT evolution, the fittest is NOT necesarily the fastest, strongest etc. You are going into social darwinism there, see how well that worked for Enron etc. The 'fittest' is the most suitable to the enviornment. You are advocating something that undermines peoople, that gets under their skin and more times than not makes them WORSE. Being LOUD, OVERBEARING and as SNIDE LITTLE BULLY does NOT make you the alpha in a group and is NOT how we evolved.

    I've see the effects many times, first hand and through professionals I'm friends with who have to pick up the pieces.

    I suggest you read some books, and if you're gonna be all tough love and evolution that you get your facts right. Your logic is OK but your whole initial axiom is wrong, wrong, wrong my man.

    R


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭smegmar


    I've got to come in here again and sort out all you "politically correct" peons, that are ruining our society if not the human race.

    Yes I accept completely suppressive bullying will do long term damage to the mental state of anyone, but it's not right to try stop the bullying, that just doesn't work. We need the structure to support those being bullied to strengthen them to the hard ships of the world. At some point we've got to realize it's up to them to fight their own battles. What ever happened to "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" That's what we've got to instill into these kids, and that is the mental immunity they will strengthen them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,070 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    smegmar wrote: »
    I've got to come in here again and sort out all you "politically correct" peons, that are ruining our society if not the human race.

    Yes I accept completely suppressive bullying will do long term damage to the mental state of anyone, but it's not right to try stop the bullying, that just doesn't work. We need the structure to support those being bullied to strengthen them to the hard ships of the world. At some point we've got to realize it's up to them to fight their own battles. What ever happened to "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" That's what we've got to instill into these kids, and that is the mental immunity they will strengthen them.

    Bullying is not a static phenomenon. It can vary hugely in how it manifests itself.

    Building an immunity to it is not as easily done as building an immunity to a virus etc.

    As we change, our outlooks and emotional balance changes... bullying will still exist and will manifest in different ways.

    Sure people that are bullied should do things to change their outlooks on themselves but it's certainly not a case of 'building a mental immunity' to it, because even if people are immune to the classic description of what bullying is, the bullies themselves are still doing what they do.

    In essence your idea would require people to lose their human nature, and I can't think of a more horrible thing than that tbh


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,115 ✭✭✭✭Nervous Wreck


    smegmar wrote: »
    What ever happened to "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me"


    Actually, isn't that a Disney-fied bastardisation of the original saying "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can also hurt me."?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Can we keep on topic please.

    OP you are still not over being bullied as a child, if you were you would not be looking for confrontational situations in which to try prove yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Smegmar dont you go to ITcarlow? I know i recognize the name from somewhere..

    aaanyway. I don't know why, if you have a real desire to fight it out with someone, why you dont just take up boxing?


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