Boozing.. On the Dole?

I can't really understand this one. I regularly see the same people standing outside pubs having a smoke, and much later meeting them when I'm walking home. They're usually steaming drunk by eleven o'clock. I'm on welfare myself, and see a lot of these people queuing up for their payments when i go in. I can't understand how these people can afford to go drinking a few days/nights of the week. Are they going in and having two pints, hoping the drinks will last hours, and then getting smashed because they haven't eaten all day? I could understand if they drank at home, and then hit the pubs late at night, but that doesn't seem to be the case...

I'm able to afford one nights drinking in the pub every three-four weeks, but it doesn't take much to get me drunk these days. :rolleyes:

phasers

It's easy to buy drink and smokes if you don't do anything else.

Degsy

Maybe somebody can explain the traveller woman i saw collecting her dole this week in finglas post office before driving off in a 08 Navarara jeep?

b12mearse

Alot of them have alternative incomes. Gambling, drug dealing. Some drink Bavaria for breakfast.

allabouteve

Possibly either they or their partners are working for cash-in-hand as casual labour/part-time workers.

amacachi

Deleted User wrote: »

I can't really understand this one. I regularly see the same people standing outside pubs having a smoke, and much later meeting them when I'm walking home. They're usually steaming drunk by eleven o'clock. I'm on welfare myself, and see a lot of these people queuing up for their payments when i go in. I can't understand how these people can afford to go drinking a few days/nights of the week. Are they going in and having two pints, hoping the drinks will last hours, and then getting smashed because they haven't eaten all day? I could understand if they drank at home, and then hit the pubs late at night, but that doesn't seem to be the case...

I'm able to afford one nights drinking in the pub every three-four weeks, but it doesn't take much to get me drunk these days. :rolleyes:

Most of them will have all their rent etc. paid for, some will be living with a woman who can claim unmarried mother's allowance etc., while renting out their own place to someone else. There's ways and means.

I can usually afford a bottle of whiskey every 2-3 weeks, though that's my own fault for not getting someone knocked up I suppose.

javaboy

Degsy wrote: »

Maybe somebody can explain the traveller woman i saw collecting her dole this week in finglas post office before driving off in a 08 Navarara jeep?

She has the lend of someone else's jeep?
Her insurance company provided it to her as a temporary replacement while her own car of much lesser value is being repaired?
She had a good job until recently and unexpectedly lost it?
She saved her money for years and years and bought a jeep she liked?

There's plenty of legitimate explanations there if you're willing to look for them. And yeah I know the counter argument is that there are plenty of excuses if you're willing to look for them too but the point is neither you nor I have a clue about that woman's circumstances.

SEPT 23 1989

Degsy wrote: »

Maybe somebody can explain the traveller woman i saw collecting her dole this week in finglas post office before driving off in a 08 Navarara jeep?

they collect dole from all over the city thats why she was driving a 08 Navarara jeep

don't you know that all those middle-aged bums sell their bodies to pay for the alcohol?

massive demand for them.

Degsy

javaboy wrote: »

There's plenty of legitimate explanations there if you're willing to look for them. And yeah I know the counter argument is that there are plenty of excuses if you're willing to look for them too but the point is neither you nor I have a clue about that woman's circumstances.

Oh but i do.
She's part of an extended family that live in dunsink halting site.
Here's her brother
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/cab-seizes-8364100000-from-jailed-traveller-1091379.html

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/the-young-traveller-tigers-who-have-amassed-millions-in-land-and-money-704169.html

And her other brother
http://www.herald.ie/national-news/courts/taxis-targeted-in-twoweek-crime-binge-1714652.html

Here's her son
Darren "Mousy" Joyce (12 years old), Dunsink Lane, Finglas, Dublin. Darren passes all his free time with his horse, he keeps it hidden away from the local authorities in the grounds of an uninhabited house. "Due to the Horses Act they are now very secretive about their horses, they are afraid to tell people about their existence. Also if the Social Welfare knew that they had horses they would no longer give them the Dole, on the basis that if they have sufficient funds to keep horses, they also had the funds to support their families." - Damian Peelo

amacachi

amacachi wrote: »

Most of them will have all their rent etc. paid for, some will be living with a woman who can claim unmarried mother's allowance etc., while renting out their own place to someone else. There's ways and means.

I have my own place, but I have to rent it out otherwise I could never make the mortgage.. And I'm still making a loss on it. (My dole makes up the shortfall) I didn't realise you could actually make a profit from having a house in Ireland.. Must look into that..

Thank Goodness my parents haven't gotten over the novelty of my being back in the country..

amacachi

Deleted User wrote: »

I have my own place, but I have to rent it out otherwise I could never make the mortgage.. And I'm still making a loss on it. (My dole makes up the shortfall) I didn't realise you could actually make a profit from having a house in Ireland.. Must look into that..

Thank Goodness my parents haven't gotten over the novelty of my being back in the country..

What they're doing is living with someone else while renting out their council house to someone else.

Ro: maaan!

Now that I'm on the dole I'll be downgrading from Tuborg (6 for €7.50) to Excelsior (4 for €3.45).

PirateShampoo

Why dont you confront them?

Just ask them there name, address and employment situation and report them.

Orrrrr you could come on boards and whine about it.

amacachi

amacachi wrote: »

What they're doing is living with someone else while renting out their council house to someone else.

:eek:

amacachi

Deleted User wrote: »

:eek:

Then they live with their kids and the mothers of their kids, she still gets to claim different incomes supports etc. That's my problem, not people renting their own houses out. :P

PirateShampoo

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Why dont you confront them?

Just ask them there name, address and employment situation and report them.

Orrrrr you could come on boards and whine about it.

Is that directed at me? I don't think i was complaining about them drinking.. Just curious as to how they did it..

Guess I'm just not as smart as them.

PirateShampoo

6 cans of Dutch Gold and a straw

K-9

Degsy wrote: »

"Due to the Horses Act they are now very secretive about their horses, they are afraid to tell people about their existence. Also if the Social Welfare knew that they had horses they would no longer give them the Dole, on the basis that if they have sufficient funds to keep horses, they also had the funds to support their families." - Damian Peelo

Obviously not very secretive.

Heisenberg.

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Volvoboy

Recession

fattestman

Sweet divine, what started out as a responsible conversation nosedived fairly quickly, didn't it?

I wonder if there's a thread anywhere else on boards so steeped in bigotry, gossip and unfounded hearsay?

Lux23

Gambling helps alot. I now have a good few unemployed friends and they make up the massive shortfall by gambling, sometimes it works quite well for them. Other times Ive had to buy them food for a week.

amacachi

Forgot to mention, claims. A lot of them.

podge3

Degsy wrote: »

Maybe somebody can explain the traveller woman i saw collecting her dole this week in finglas post office before driving off in a 08 Navarara jeep?

She bought it with the childers allowance, boss.

Sure isn't that what its for?

Highsider

She was most likely in the dole office complaining about the fact she can't upgrade to a 09 Navara :rolleyes:

Some of these scroungers make a lot of money from handouts from our generous government.

A couple's dole
House paid by rent allowance
Childrens allowance etc etc

Im sure someone can do the maths and figure how much people like this with 4 kids as an example get every week in cash and its plenty to keep them on the lash considering they probably dont have a car/mortgage to pay for.

Mossy Monk

Gambling is a popular past time for some unemployed people near where I live.

tv3

podge3 wrote: »

She bought it with the childers allowance, boss.

Sure isn't that what its for?

Maybe she bought it when she WAS working...:rolleyes:

Also if you are ont eh dole you are also allowed have a "social" life !

old boy

they are legally allowed to trade and sign on:cool::D

podge3

tv3 wrote: »

Also if you are ont eh dole you are also allowed have a "social" life !

I always assumed that dole was meant to be a subsistence payment - i.e. to keep you and yours from starving.

I didn't realise that its meant to pay for a social life, drink, fags, Sky Sport, cars with a spud launcher on the back etc etc.

gaeilgegrinds

I always felt it was there until work was found...interesting how it has suddenly a life choice.

podge3

gaeilgegrinds wrote: »

I always felt it was there until work was found...interesting how it has suddenly a life choice.

I think its more of a vocation

niceirishfella

Well, at the end of the day, isn't it great that they are pumping the dole right back into the ecomony.
The duty on drink is enormous, so it goes straight back into the gov's coffers. And then theres the employment they create keeping bar staff employed.

Fair play to em all!! LOL

Kimbot

Social Welfare is about €204 a week.

6 Cans of Dutch Gold = €8
1 Nagan of Cheap Vodka = €3/€4 in Lidl/Aldi
20 Cigarettes = €8.50

Do the math and that is 20 odd quid a day. To that you could say 40 quid on shopping a week in lidl/aldi. Thats 180 quid a week. It is possible to not have to pay bills/rent aswell if your in a council house etc.
It is possible to get smashed all week on a few quid.

Berty

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Why dont you confront them?

Just ask them there name, address and employment situation and report them.

Orrrrr you could come on boards and whine about it.

Report to

central.control@welfare.ie

http://www.welfare.ie/EN/ContactUs/Pages/reportfraud.aspx

Lux23

Lux23 wrote: »

Gambling helps alot. I now have a good few unemployed friends and they make up the massive shortfall by gambling, sometimes it works quite well for them. Other times Ive had to buy them food for a week.

Is that the online poker that seems to be everywhere these days? I was in an internet cafe today, and out of the roughly ten people there, 6ish were playing poker..

Saibh

jonny24ie wrote: »

Social Welfare is about €204 a week.

6 Cans of Dutch Gold = €8
1 Nagan of Cheap Vodka = €3/€4 in Lidl/Aldi
20 Cigarettes = €8.50

Do the math and that is 20 odd quid a day. To that you could say 40 quid on shopping a week in lidl/aldi. Thats 180 quid a week. It is possible to not have to pay bills/rent aswell if your in a council house etc.
It is possible to get smashed all week on a few quid.

Possible, but there wouldn't be enough money if they went drinking in a pub as the original poster stated.

amacachi

jonny24ie wrote: »

]6 Cans of Dutch Gold = €8
1 Nagan of Cheap Vodka = €3/€4 in Lidl/Aldi
20 Cigarettes = €8.50

Firstly, what is the vodka that costs that much. Secondly you must be a lightweight if that would do you for a full day's drinking. Thirdly the OP was asking about people who are in pubs all day every day.

dr.bollocko

amacachi wrote: »

Firstly, what is the vodka that costs that much. Secondly you must be a lightweight if that would do you for a full day's drinking. Thirdly the OP was asking about people who are in pubs all day every day.

U got lucky with that ninja.

soundsham

Degsy wrote: »

Maybe somebody can explain the traveller woman i saw collecting her dole this week in finglas post office before driving off in a 08 Navarara jeep?

she obviously got sense and traded down due to the recession from the 09 merc 320 ml

as for the boozing you obviously didn't hear but its made a welcome comeback"HAPPY HOUR"

amacachi

dr.bollocko wrote: »

U got lucky with that ninja.

Quiet you. :P

easyeason3

I was in Dunnes Stores this morning & a foreign man on crutches was buying two cans of Bavaria. This was at 11 o' clock in the morning & the hum of drink from him was unnatural.
Felt sorry for the guy.
I felt worse when I got dirty looks from people for letting him ahead of me in the queue. The man was on crutches ffs.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Not another one of these threads...

Jesus Wept

Ro: maaan! wrote: »

Now that I'm on the dole I'll be downgrading from Tuborg (6 for €7.50) to Excelsior (4 for €3.45).

Good stuff! 'Dole Ro: maaan!' is my favourite of all Ro: maaan! incarnations!

cheerio

I know several people on the dole living at home with their parents, they have no expenses and basically have the whole dole to spend on drink. Nice work if you can get it.

TPD

cheerio wrote: »

I know several people on the dole living at home with their parents, they have no expenses and basically have the whole dole to spend on drink. Nice work if you can get it.

Same as that. They have the clout to be annoyed at the government for cutting their dole in half with the new budget - instead of having 200 to blow each week they now only have 100. I mean literally everything is paid for, no bills, no housekeeping, food bought for them, clothes bought for them. All they do is spend it on drink/cannabis and save up for new computers and games consoles.

amacachi

TPD wrote: »

Same as that. They have the clout to be annoyed at the government for cutting their dole in half with the new budget - instead of having 200 to blow each week they now only have 100. I mean literally everything is paid for, no bills, no housekeeping, food bought for them, clothes bought for them. All they do is spend it on drink/cannabis and save up for new computers and games consoles.

Not everyone on the dole living with their parents spends their weekly income on drink/drugs.

TPD

amacachi wrote: »

Not everyone on the dole living with their parents spends their weekly income on drink/drugs.

Well shoot me for implying they did.


Oh wait, I didn't imply they did. I was talking about the several people I know on the dole.

badabinbadaboom

I'm on the dole and live at home with my parents. I have no expenses bar car insurance.
Honestly lads 204 a week is way to much for someone in my position, there was no need to raise it. I think I'll buy another car just to get rid of the feckin' money 'cos I dont smoke or drink.
Nah only messin' I'm gonna use it for a training course or something.

amacachi

TPD wrote: »

Well shoot me for implying they did.


Oh wait, I didn't imply they did. I was talking about the several people I know on the dole.

I wasn't saying you were implying anything. Others may infer it though.