Susan Boyle

Dudess

So initially she gets jeered at because of her looks (and in fairness, while the jeering's inexcusable, she was dressed more dowdily than I thought possible, her hair wasn't done, her eyebrows weren't groomed and she had no make-up on - a pretty woman wouldn't be allowed on stage like that so that was obviously a deliberate strategy), then she sings - with a nice but fairly unremarkable voice - and suddenly she's spoken of as if she's the Second Coming.

Anyone else find the deification of Susan Boyle grotesquely patronising, and as bad as the initial ridiculing of her?

ronnie3585

Who?

My name is URL

Simon Cowell tbh

The man's a genius

Dudess

Fair point.

http://www.tribune.ie/news/editorial-opinion/article/2009/apr/26/terence-blacker-the-clever-marketing-of-susan-boyl/

Indie18

ronnie3585 wrote: »

Who?

Kind of fat chick, bushy eyebrows, ok voice, she's on the britons got talent crap.

minidazzler

I don't watch them show's specifically because If I wanted to see Mediocre hacks showing their talents I will walk down Patricks Street around Christmas time. Sure she has a nice voice, but she is unmarketable, and them shows are all about Marketability which ever way you look at it.

So, In short, I just don't care about her one way or the other. But yes, in the one video I saw she did come across as Patonising.

shenanigans1982

I'm convinced its a man....or at least was.

My name is Mud

[Southpark] ...if one more person talks to me about that Susan Boyle performance of Les Miserables I was going to puke my balls out through my mouth [/Southpark]

Sean Quagmire

she will be dragged through the mud and slaughtered by the media before this series ends for one thing or another.. i can see it coming

I'd give her one.....


A punch that is.

Hail 2 Da Chimp

Celeb and showbiz forum, you should know better Dudess - you were an AH mod, you probably would have moved this yourself!

Keep Britian's got talent / X-factor crap outta AHcrap!!!

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My name is URL

minidazzler wrote: »

[...] but she is unmarketable [...]

lol

It's marketing at it's finest =p

Evil_Clown

You know you've made it when .........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqasisJXctg

Dudess

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: »

Celeb and showbiz forum, you should know better Dudess - you were an AH mod, you probably would have moved this yourself!

Keep Britian's got talent / X-factor crap outta AHcrap!!!

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I considered that, but in my opinion it's suited to here because it raises interesting questions in general. It's not about Britain's Got Talent.

Kiera

I wouldnt say she gives a crap about what people are saying about her. She's raking it in, doing interviews all over the States and England.

tech77

Dudess wrote: »

So initially she gets jeered at because of her looks (and in fairness, while the jeering's inexcusable, she was dressed more dowdily than I thought possible, her hair wasn't done, her eyebrows weren't groomed and she had no make-up on - a pretty woman wouldn't be allowed on stage like that so that was obviously a deliberate strategy), then she sings - with a nice but fairly unremarkable voice - and suddenly she's spoken of as if she's the Second Coming.

Anyone else find the deification of Susan Boyle grotesquely patronising, and as bad as the initial ridiculing of her?

I'd love to say i've never heard of this but yeah:
"Grotesquely patronising" pretty much nails it.

Turd Ferguson

Its people like Susan Boyle that are destroying this world. No doubt she'll be treated like a new mega-star or some crap. She'll get that cunt Max Clifford as her PR and she'll be plastered all over the fucking media until something better comes along like a cute puppy that can tapdance or some shit. It really grinds my gears

Noopti

Couldn't agree more.

She is famous simply because she has a decent voice and is....shock horror, a little bit ugly. If a good looking woman had walked onto the stage and sung like that she wouldn't get a look in in the papers.
It just shows how society views people really, in that if you are percieved to be ugly, dowdy etc then you are automatically judged to be weak, and talentless. So when someone bucks the perceived trend, it is amazing.

So yes, it is incredibly patronising.

javaboy

Turd Ferguson wrote: »

Its people like Susan Boyle that are destroying this world.

Balls it is. She's only as famous as she is because of the people who put here there. She will have almost no impact on my life whatsoever. Destroying this world? :rolleyes:

el_tiddlero

Dudess wrote: »

it raises interesting questions in general

what are these interesting questions?

who is asking them?

how are they being asked?

where can they be found?

when are they going to get answered?

why are they not being answered in an equally interesting fashion?


oh, i think my point was... what was the question again??

Heisenberg.

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monkeyfudge

Not having a clue who people like this are really makes me feel good about myself.

So she does serve an important purpose in that regard anyway.

Dudess

Scien wrote: »

Are you having a giraffe?
She's going to be a goldmine for whatever label eventually picks her up.
An ugly duckling music sensation with a sob story?
She is every Marketeers dream.

A fleeting one perhaps but a lasting one? Doubtful.

Armin_Tamzarian

This whole Susan Boyle thing sickens me.

Yet another ugly chick getting by on her lack of looks.
It's high time that the music industry started giving some good looking people a chance.

dizzyniki

The whole thing is staged. I know a girl who was invited by Simon Cowell to sing for him and the judges at the X Factor but she didn't because her Mom felt she was too young!!! The Susan Boyle craze has been blown outta proportion! Fair enough she has a talent but she doesn't look great!!! Michelle mcManus also had talent and looked awful. She lasted 15minutes in the spotlight and WHERE IS SHE NOW???? Most of ye will even wonder who she is in the first place!!! When this is all over Susan Boyle will be a one hit wonder type phenomenon and we'll live our daily lives not casting another thought as to where she is!!!! It was funny when she walked out on stage, she couldn't even speak properly or state that she lived in a "village". Ya sometimes I forget where I come from too!!! The fact of the matter is someone put her up to it and knew we'd get a laugh off of it!!!! However the British absolutely love an underdog, and the real talents that could be around for a lot longer than a middle aged biddy will be the forgotten ones! That little boy who sang the Michael Jackson song..........which was also probably staged....... is an unbelieveable singer!!!!!

abouttobebanned

Dudess wrote: »

So initially she gets jeered at because of her looks (and in fairness, while the jeering's inexcusable, she was dressed more dowdily than I thought possible, her hair wasn't done, her eyebrows weren't groomed and she had no make-up on - a pretty woman wouldn't be allowed on stage like that so that was obviously a deliberate strategy), then she sings - with a nice but fairly unremarkable voice - and suddenly she's spoken of as if she's the Second Coming.

Anyone else find the deification of Susan Boyle grotesquely patronising, and as bad as the initial ridiculing of her?

I really hate this attitude. First off, her voice was remarkable, I have no idea how you could say it's not. Second of all, she just went to an audition...she hardly expected everything that came with it.

This is nothing new in the world of reality TV and media over reaction to it and is not worthy of a thread tbh.

My name is Mud

dizzyniki wrote: »

Michelle mcManus also had talent and looked awful. She lasted 15minutes in the spotlight and WHERE IS SHE NOW????

Could be in Burger King, ordering 2 double whopper meals, extra onion rings and a large diet coke?

Evil_Clown

My name is Mud wrote: »

Could be in Burger King, ordering 2 double whopper meals, extra onion rings and a large diet coke?

LOL, I remember her character on Bo Selecta was a black four man tent with a fat head sticking out of it

dizzyniki

My name is Mud wrote: »

Could be in Burger King, ordering 2 double whopper meals, extra onion rings and a large diet coke?

Well word on the street is that she's actually working there but she does get staff discount!

phasers

Yeah, she's not that great, just ugly and got laughed at. Paul Potts was much better but because he wasn't really ugly he didn't get to go on Oprah. It's the ordinary looking people that have it the worst really.


Simon Cowell is one clever bastard.

Mr.Lizard

This gimmick is old already. Tho that said it'd probably still have some novelty value if her name was Ida Amin or somesuch.

Dudess

The_Coon wrote: »

This whole Susan Boyle thing sickens me.

Yet another ugly chick getting by on her lack of looks.
It's high time that the music industry started giving some good looking people a chance.

Missing the point - the hysterical gushing over her ultimately makes the same statement as the jeering. It's still a form of singling her out.

abouttobebanned wrote: »

I really hate this attitude.

What attitude?

First off, her voice was remarkable, I have no idea how you could say it's not.

It's nice, far from bad. It is not remarkable - Maria Callas's voice was remarkable.

Second of all, she just went to an audition...she hardly expected everything that came with it.

Well I'm not questioning anything Susan has done, I'm questioning how she is being manipulated.

Ann22

She was a good singer but not that fantastic imo.. maybe 'cos it was the most boring song in the world:), I was surprised to hear she could sing...but tbh if she looked really good I don't think I'd have even noticed her. I was expecting her to be crap..something along the lines of your one in Sat night's episode who was 'performing to 'Fame!':o. I also hated Michelle McManus' voice, just didn't like the tone of it....or that woman in the wheelchair from X-Factor a few yrs ago. I thought she was very average. On a positive, the wee fella singing Michael Jackson was outstanding and that wee one from Sat night in the tutu....really good.

Biggins

Dudess wrote: »

So initially she gets jeered at because of her looks (and in fairness, while the jeering's inexcusable, she was dressed more dowdily than I thought possible, her hair wasn't done, her eyebrows weren't groomed and she had no make-up on - a pretty woman wouldn't be allowed on stage like that so that was obviously a deliberate strategy), then she sings - with a nice but fairly unremarkable voice - and suddenly she's spoken of as if she's the Second Coming.

Anyone else find the deification of Susan Boyle grotesquely patronising, and as bad as the initial ridiculing of her?

I'm just glad its her and not just Paris Hilton!

Mr.Lizard

So does every series of these shows have one big ugly heffer in it that happens to sing wonderfully? Would the surprise therefore be if one day they didn't have one?

ejmaztec

Indie18 wrote: »

Kind of fat chick, bushy eyebrows, ok voice, she's on the britons got talent crap.

That's a sort of "I watch it religiously but I'll never admit" remark.:P

hshortt

Maria McKee? Butterface . Like everything musically, give it long enough and it will come back again.

Mr.Lizard

hshortt wrote: »

Maria McKee? Butterface . Like everything musically, give it long enough and it will come back again.

Maria McKee would get it tho. On the other hand there's not enough alcohol in the world that would make Susan Boyle start to look attractive.

eoferrall

Dudess wrote: »

It's nice, far from bad. It is not remarkable - Maria Callas's voice was remarkable.

Don't know how you can call it nice, nice to me is a but of a put down to be followed by a but! I think VERY few people could get up and sing that song as well as her, and that therefore makes it remarkable/extraordinary. Maria Callas was a great opera singer. but remember that susan boyle has had no training I would say and that was all natural talent.

Turd Ferguson

Mr.Lizard wrote: »

Maria McKee would get it tho. On the other hand there's not enough alcohol in the world that would make Susan Boyle start to look attractive.

I disagree. If you use the alcohol to set her on fire, I'm sure you could get her to a state of do-ability

midlandsmissus

She's not unique. She definitely doesn't have the best voice.

Remeber Faryl Smith, the young girl who sang opera on britains got talent last year? She had a much better voice. Girls I know in my choir have a much better voice than her.

The thing is you don't need a brilliant voice to be a famous singer, all you need is the right spin, and Cowell has manipulated it to its full potential:

Make her look as dowdy as possible
Show people slagging her off
Show pople overcome with ermotion after being proven wrong,

and you're onto a moneymaking winner

Mr.Lizard

Turd Ferguson wrote: »

I disagree. If you use the alcohol to set her on fire, I'm sure you could get her to a state of do-ability

Even then the only one get aroused would be a pyromaniac.

Mr.Lizard

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Remeber Faryl Smith, the young girl who sang opera on britains got talent last year?

No. Did she also look like something from The Hills Have Eyes?

midlandsmissus

Mr.Lizard wrote: »

No. Did she also look like something from The Hills Have Eyes?

No she was really good looking which is why she didnt make it.

She didnt 'overcome' anything like susan boyle.

It's all about the sob story!

JC 2K3

Dudess wrote: »

A fleeting one perhaps but a lasting one? Doubtful.

Has anything that has ever emerged from a reality TV talent show ever gone on to have any kind of lasting career in the spotlight?

Protip: Ignore the media.

Biggins

midlandsmissus wrote: »

...The thing is you don't need a brilliant voice to be a famous singer, all you need is the right spin, and Cowell has manipulated it to its full potential:

Make her look as dowdy as possible
Show people slagging her off
Show people overcome with emotion after being proven wrong,

and you're onto a moneymaking winner

Partly true lol.

To her credit, regarding Faryl Smith, I and many feel does have a great voice.
While we won't see her in the charts - if indeed thats one way to judge "Talent" (I don't think so but thats just me) - she will have clearly a long and sustained career a head of her.
There will be highs and lows but her voice is creating her now occupation and good luck to her.
(Bought her cd by the way - great stuff)

Dudess

JC 2K3 wrote: »

Has anything that has ever emerged from a reality TV talent show ever gone on to have any kind of lasting career in the spotlight?

Protip: Ignore the media.

I couldn't give a sh1t, I'm just pointing out that while she's a marketeer's dream now the likely fleeting nature of the hype will just show how little substance there is to this nonsense.
She should have been given a bit of a make-over before she went on stage, just like anyone else would have. Nothing drastic - just her hair done, eyebrows plucked, a bit of eye make-up and some flattering clothes... for dignity's sake. Then they should have let her go on stage and just sing her song. Instead, they let her go on looking exceptionally dowdy, knowing people would snigger - and they probably told her to act all zany. She's supposed to be a gullible, innocent woman with a mild intellectual disability. Shame on them...

shenanigans1982

JC 2K3 wrote: »

Has anything that has ever emerged from a reality TV talent show ever gone on to have any kind of lasting career in the spotlight?

Protip: Ignore the media.

Kelly Clarkson would be the best example I guess.....and to a lesser extent Girls Aloud.

wudangclan

susan boyle; good on her.striking a blow for ugly people all over the world.
(even if the moment was a skillfully manipulative piece of television marketing).
these recessionary times will be the time of the underdog,like seabiscuit and the cinderella man back during the great depression and i wish susan all the luck in the world.

Acacia

Yeah, it's fairly patronising alright. The worst thing is, if she had come on stage, sang dreadfully, everyone would have felt that their sniggering was justified. I hate the way they were laughing at her before she sang...un-called for. But I guess it makes good TV so everything's a-okay. :rolleyes:

galwayrush

Talent over style, she hasn't a hope.doesn't count now days.:rolleyes: