Hard not to be smug about the UK today just a smidgeon

darkman2

For all our difficulties, having spent the last few weeks as an Irish person having to listen to and read the hysterical, sensationalist, stupidity and paddywhackery coming from almost ALL UK media outlets about Ireland and our situation (if you saw Primetime last night you will have had a flavour)....it's hard for me not to get some element of satisfaction as to the facts emerging today about their own economy.

Well, they had their budget today and they ain't exactly in a good way either

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5uk_p20kmQ

We thought we were bad (and we are) - we were being hammered by the tory UK press in particular about being "alcholics that came across money" and "going back to the potatoe" etc etc - bet they will be a little quiter now having to borrow 12% of GDP just to keep them going. We are "only" borrowing just over 10%..........

I expect vindictive columns in all Irish papers tomorrow with some Brit whackery........revenge!

"No shame in going to the IMF" - that's right lads, no shame.

Pighead

Ah excellent news. The UK is in dire financial trouble. That'll help us to get out of this God forsaken mess! The more we laugh and point at them the better chance we have of returning to the glory days. Get pointing people.

thelordofcheese

I expect vindictive columns in all Irish papers tomorrow with some Brit whackery........revenge!

or we could grow the fuck up?

No? not likely? ok. Back to the pointing.

Ponster

Can you like to those "quotes" please?

prinz

Makes me think of someone clinging onto a deckchair feeling smug about watching the Titanic going down beside them.

Stercus Accidit

Pighead wrote: »

Ah excellent news. The UK is in dire financial trouble. That'll help us to get out of this God forsaken mess! The more we laugh and point at them the better chance we have of returning to the glory days. Get pointing people.

A pighead post slating the OP in the coveted #2 spot just after the first post, my my, won't this be a thank fest!

MoominPapa

One thing they can be smug about is their level of parliamentary debate
Also don't we still export 50% or so of our stuff to the UK? UK in the toilet <> good for us

RATM

I'm smelling schadenfreude from the OP:pac:

The way I heard it today is that the IMF said Ireland will need €25bn to pull itself out of this hole and the UK €125bn. Considering we've only got a tenth of their population yet a fifth of their debt I'd say we're the ones truly in the soup.

You can laugh away OP but at least politicians in the UK are forced to resign when they are found guilty of corruption or incompetence, unlike here where they tend to become poll toppers as a result.

CountingCrows

Karma is alive and well, hopefully they'll all end up working for African overlords.

Dudess

darkman2 wrote: »

For all our difficulties, having spent the last few weeks as an Irish person having to listen to and read the hysterical, sensationalist, stupidity and paddywhackery coming from almost ALL UK media outlets about Ireland and our situation

Reporting the facts is not hysterical, sensationalist, stupid or paddywackery - that is only how you interpret it... because you are Irish and the defences go up (and paranoia kicks in) when it comes to anything British people have to say on any matter concerning Ireland. I'm sure the occasional report was poking fun at us (haven't read any myself) but I think it's preferable to not give a sh1t/laugh at ourselves rather than get all outraged and insulted.
Just because of our history, doesn't mean Britain is "out to get us" - it could be just good-natured teasing, no historical/political agenda whatsoever. This notion Irish people have in their heads that the "Brits" still look down on us implies they actually give a major sh1t about us - they don't.
And "hysterical" would imply reports on the situation here are exaggerated - I don't think it's possible to exaggerate just how awesomely ****ed we are, so "hysterical" is not really appropriate...

Do you have links to the reports about "alcoholics finding money" and "return to the potato" etc?

Pighead

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

A pighead post slating the OP in the coveted #2 spot just after the first post, my my, won't this be a thank fest!

What do you mean the coveted 2nd post just after the first post! Of course it's just after the first post otherwise it wouldn't be the 2nd post! You can't have teh coveted 2nd post after the third post! There was absolutely no need for the words "just after the first post" in your sentence. You overcooked the egg Stercus. You sat in the bath too long resulting in a wrinkly and hard boiled post.

ejmaztec

I think that any country laying into another one is a bit premature. Every one seems to be experimenting to try and get out of the sh1t but nobody seems to know for sure whether their method is going to work.

I think that we should all keep looking at our watches, whistling nonchalantly, until it's all over.

The first country to shout "Yay - fuck you bankrupt twats!" after that will be the winner.

I wonder which country is going to get the big cup?

darkman2

Im not going to go and dig up the articles now (will do later) but, here, make use of RTE's introduction to the internet and watch last nights Primetime



http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1046179


Second part of the program.

In fairness, they started the hysteria about us, we only started the problems.

niceirishfella

thelordofcheese wrote: »

or we could grow the fuck up?

No? not likely? ok. Back to the pointing.

Back on topic more like.
I don't see the advance of gloating of the UK financial ruin today or any other day as we could use their economy being in good shape, then they coould firm up their sterling rate lessening the pressure on us for exports to the uk as well as slow down the cross border spending into NI.
It's not about growing up, but using your noodle and realising we need them to recover in order for us to recover.

Stercus Accidit

Pighead wrote: »

What do you mean the coveted 2nd post just after the first post! Of course it's just after the first post otherwise it wouldn't be the 2nd post! You can't have teh coveted 2nd post after the third post! There was absolutely no need for the words "just after the first post" in your sentence. You overcooked the egg Stercus. You sat in the bath too long resulting in a wrinkly and hard boiled post.

Oh I've been zinged by a pighead post! In the coveted #11 position, just after 10, but before 12. yay!

pwd

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

A pighead post slating the OP in the coveted #2 spot just after the first post, my my, won't this be a thank fest!

it will be something that rhymes with thank fest

Pighead

Dudess wrote: »

Just because of our history, doesn't mean Britain is "out to get us" - it could be just good-natured teasing, no historical/political agenda whatsoever. This notion that Irish people have in their heads that the "Brits" still look down on us implies that they actually give a major sh1t about us - they don't.

Spot on Dudess! This victim mentality when it comes to Britain has to change. In my lifetime I've seen almost 100% positive press towards the Irish from Britain. It's like we're trying to hate an entity that isn't particularly hateful.

Reminds Pighead of the Simpsons episode where Homer goes to college. Ireland in this case being Homer and Britain the "crusty old Dean"

Homer: Marge, someone squeezed all the life out of these kids. And
unless movies and TV have lied to me, it's a crusty, bitter old
Dean!
Dean: Hi there! Hello, I'm Dean Peterson, but you can call me Bobby.
I just want you to know if you ever feel stressed out from
studying or whatever, I'm always up for some hackey sack. Or,
hey! If you just want to come by and jam, I used to be the bass
player for the Pretenders. [plays a riff]
Homer: [bitterly] Boy, I can't wait to take some of the starch out of
that stuffed shirt.

Stercus Accidit

pwd wrote: »

it will be something that rhymes with thank fest

Prank fest, that was cancelled due to the recession.

TheZohanS

Great news that the UK is fecked...now if only the same thing would happen to those smarmy Americans we'd show them all....show them all.


Oh wait isn't our ecomomy one ofthe most globalised in the world and don't we rely on their success for us to....

....ah never mind....800 years!!







:rolleyes:

Cactus Col

That poor front bencher can't even get a pair of trousers long enough for him.

Dudess

Pighead wrote: »

Spot on Dudess! This victim mentality when it comes to Britain has to change. In my lifetime I've seen almost 100% positive press towards the Irish from Britain. It's like we're trying to hate an entity that isn't particularly hateful.

Reminds Pighead of the Simpsons episode where Homer goes to college. Ireland in this case being Homer and Britain the "crusty old Dean"

Homer: Marge, someone squeezed all the life out of these kids. And
unless movies and TV have lied to me, it's a crusty, bitter old
Dean!
Dean: Hi there! Hello, I'm Dean Peterson, but you can call me Bobby.
I just want you to know if you ever feel stressed out from
studying or whatever, I'm always up for some hackey sack. Or,
hey! If you just want to come by and jam, I used to be the bass
player for the Pretenders. [plays a riff]
Homer: [bitterly] Boy, I can't wait to take some of the starch out of
that stuffed shirt.

Love that one - the dean's a complete pushover.

Actually, another appropriate metaphor for the assumption that the Brits hate us, look down on us and are out to get us is... the anti mod sentiment on Boards.ie (99% of it is all in the head - the 1% refers to mods who actually are **** to people, and in any given group there's bound to be at least one wanker)... and another appropriate metaphor: the anti Pighead sentiment!

mike65

You know what the Irish economy needs right now? It biggest trading partner and no 1 tourist market to be in the crapper. Yep that what we need right now.

carlybabe1

Pighead wrote: »

Ah excellent news. The UK is in dire financial trouble. That'll help us to get out of this God forsaken mess! The more we laugh and point at them the better chance we have of returning to the glory days. Get pointing people.

though ar't lengend pighead

thelordofcheese wrote: »

or we could grow the fuck up?

No? not likely? ok. Back to the pointing.

Stop spoiling the fun cheesy, dont pretend you're not secretly full of glee too

Paddy Samurai

thelordofcheese wrote: »

or we could grow the fuck up?

No? not likely? ok. Back to the pointing.

Feck that growing up sh!t, brit whackery sound like a lot more fun!.

thelordofcheese

carlybabe1 wrote: »

Stop spoiling the fun cheesy, dont pretend you're not secretly full of glee too

Biting the hand that feeds isn't as fun or tasty as you'd think.

Local-womanizer

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Biting the hand that feeds isn't as fun or tasty as you'd think.

If that hand is made of cheese it is though:pac:

waraf

CountingCrows wrote: »

Karma is alive and well, hopefully they'll all end up working for African overlords.

I laughed out loud at that one. Well played

120_Minutes

we are alcoholics who found money. immature greedy ones at that.

its not whackery when its true.....

Dudess

I'm an alcoholic? News to me.

big b

The realism & common sense displayed in most of the posts here is actually quite reassuring.

Course, most of the usual suspects are still to arrive...

Cuddlesworth

Dudess wrote: »

I'm an alcoholic? News to me.

Your a classy drunk. Huge difference.

Fratton Fred

the only quotes I heard about the irish, drink and greed were from the irish themselves.

The IMF has actually downgraded the amount of debt they originally expected the UK to require to bail out the banks, but their report today on the world economy was pretty gloomy. the one that surprised me was that the German economy is expected to shrink by 5.6%, the highest of the large EU economies

thelordofcheese

Local-womanizer wrote: »

If that hand is made of cheese it is though:pac:

Get the hell away from my hand!

Latchy

News just in :

A ****load of brits are heading to dublin to drown their sorrows after the British budget confirmed that it's a case of ' carry on regardless ' except just for a bit longer this time .It is expected the booze feast will also continue for much longer than expected .

Dublins publicans are rubbing their hands with glee

S.I.R

anyone who can drink more then 6 pints of bulmers in 2 hours is an alcoholic in their terms...


the whole country is an alcoholic state... though to be fair...

Yet they wonder why they are hated by Everyone ( internationally ) ??


mugs... they also nearly ruined my paddys day... getting sick all over the place and one nearly on me !!


the cheek. :mad:


just because i can and do drink most people under the table doesnt mean im an alcoholic, it means i enjoy my few drinks...

if they cant handle their drink... fine, but i never get sick, a bit of a wobble is a given but i don't cause trouble either...


they need to update their stereotypes the muppets.

getz

mike65 wrote: »

You know what the Irish economy needs right now? It biggest trading partner and no 1 tourist market to be in the crapper. Yep that what we need right now.

dont worry pall the brit /tourist trade will still come over we love the irish ,as far as exports ,you have no choice be to trade with the uk ,exporting over to france ect costs a lot more in transport than it costs other eu countrys, you would not be able to compete

mac_iomhair

the only people that hate the Irish are the Irish themselves, some of you guys think you are smart to be pro- british, "oh im bigger than that" catch a grip. If the french started saying that about us this would be a whole thread of "bloody frogs" etc. The media here in Ireland is controlled so much by Britian that most of ya are a bunch of West Brits. I hate this self hating Irish attitude, whats wrong with a bit of pride in your country, I think some of you have identity problems. When did taking pride in your country become such a sin,:mad:

Dudess

mac_iomhair wrote: »

the only people that hate the Irish are the Irish themselves, some of you guys think you are smart to be pro- british, "oh im bigger than that" catch a grip. If the french started saying that about us this would be a whole thread of "bloody frogs" etc. The media here in Ireland is controlled so much by Britian that most of ya are a bunch of West Brits. I hate this self hating Irish attitude, whats wrong with a bit of pride in your country, I think some of you have identity problems. When did taking pride in your country become such a sin,:mad:

Well, to be fair... nah, I can't be arsed.

ejmaztec

getz wrote: »

dont worry pall the brit /tourist trade will still come over we love the irish ,as far as exports ,you have no choice be to trade with the uk ,exporting over to france ect costs a lot more in transport than it costs other eu countrys, you would not be able to compete

I'd say that 99% of British "tourists" are the ones visiting their Irish relatives. The other 1% get on the wrong ferry or plane by mistake.

dyl10

Ireland to still have the highest GDP per capita in the EU this year.

Ching Ching :pac:

mac_iomhair

ejmaztec wrote: »

I'd say that 99% of British "tourists" are the ones visiting their Irish relatives. The other 1% get on the wrong ferry or plane by mistake.

another stupid anti irish comment made by an irishman/woman,:eek: most british people like to visit Ireland for the scenery and the pubs etc... stop putting the country down for gods sake

Dudess

Explain how it's "self-hating" or "west Brit" or "lacking in national pride" or "pro British" or a sign of having "identity problems" to simply appeal for less hatred and bitterness and paranoia when it comes to "the British"? Particularly when it comes to media reports that simply tell it like it is. If the French reported that Ireland's economy is going down the toilet, we would simply view it as the facts being reported.

Or should we harbour venom towards the "the Brits" at all times and with extreme fervour? Is that what's required to make us proud to be Irish and sure of our identity? If so, well I personally would rather go for the healthier approach.

darkman2

Dudess wrote: »

Explain how it's "self-hating" or "west Brit" or "lacking in national pride" or "pro British" or a sign of having "identity problems" to simply appeal for less hatred and bitterness and paranoia when it comes to "the British"? Particularly when it comes to media reports that simply tell it like it is. If the French reported that Ireland's economy is going down the toilet, we would simply view it as the facts being reported.

Or should we harbour venom towards the "the Brits" at all times and with extreme fervour? Is that what's required to make us proud to be Irish and sure of our identity? If so, well I personally would rather go for the healthier approach.

Eh I don't think you understand or have read the articles concerned. Charlie McCreevy has claimed there is a UK media campaign against this country - he did that in his posistion as EU commissioner. I agree with him 100%. Did you watch the primetime segment I posted? No? You must'nt have because it is clear you have not been exposed to the trash that has been written about us over there in British editions of papers sold here (they dare not print them here of course) - on that program they said there was "more then a distinct whiff of paddywhackery about MUCH of the coverage".....this is not me being over sensitive. Take the Sunday Times for example - I read their story printed only in the UK about us two weeks ago about how we are a "beer soaked backwater" and it really got my blood boiling. They don't have the guts to put that rubbish in their paper here.

As Alan Dukes said - the commentary from Britain - "much of it has been hysterical, stupid, idiocy" - and they go on to explain the constant potato, alcohol and Iceland jibes.

This is damaging this country. It is contributing to making our borrowing more expensive. So fcuk....yeah I think we deserve to have a wry smile at them for a few hours considering the onslaught we have endured for months on end.

mac_iomhair

Dudess wrote: »

Explain how it's "self-hating" or "west Brit" or "lacking in national pride" or "pro British" or a sign of having "identity problems" to simply appeal for less hatred and bitterness and paranoia when it comes to "the British"? Particularly when it comes to media reports that simply tell it like it is. If the French reported that Ireland's economy is going down the toilet, we would simply view it as the facts being reported.

Or should we harbour venom towards the "the Brits" at all times and with extreme fervour? Is that what's required to make us proud to be Irish and sure of our identity? If so, well I personally would rather go for the healthier approach.

you see even saying "british" and "the brits" makes you think your not being PC. Makes you think you need to watch what you say in case your taken up wrong, Ya see its not PC to be Irish and to say that no matter what Ill stand by my country anything patriotic at all is taken as a symbol of being an IRA lover. Thats the media for ya. I think you should spend more time living your life and loving your country than worrying about our perspective of Britian.

prinz

mac_iomhair wrote: »

the only people that hate the Irish are the Irish themselves, some of you guys think you are smart to be pro- british, "oh im bigger than that" catch a grip. If the french started saying that about us this would be a whole thread of "bloody frogs" etc. The media here in Ireland is controlled so much by Britian that most of ya are a bunch of West Brits. I hate this self hating Irish attitude, whats wrong with a bit of pride in your country, I think some of you have identity problems. When did taking pride in your country become such a sin,:mad:

Check out the difference between nationalism and patriotism.

This thread had nothing to do with 'pride' in Ireland. It had to do with an immature ha-ha at Britain attitude.I'm proud of Ireland and being Irish, I'm a patriot.That has nothing to do with harbouring an infantile anti-British bias.

prinz

darkman2 wrote: »

This is damaging this country. It is contributing to making our borrowing more expensive. So fcuk....yeah I think we deserve to have a wry smile at them for a few hours considering the onslaught we have endured for months on end.

I don't think the international money markets, the IMF etc., take what's written in the papers to work out the cost of borrowing :pac:

darkman2

prinz wrote: »

I don't think the international money markets, the IMF etc., take what's written in the papers to work out the cost of borrowing :pac:

Are you saying that when the likes of the Sunday Times, the FINANCIAL TIMES and other "reputable" anti Irish, anti Euro, Tory, Brit fcuking journalists write this stuff for an audience of tens of millions of people week in week out it has no effect!? ......well, sorry, but once again on the link I posted - It IS effecting our ability to borrow. It is called negative sentiment. It grows - it establishes perception over time....and we are being butt fcuked big time by the Tory press over there and we are suppose sit back and pretend that sentiment is not damaging us!?


Did Brian Lenihan not go over to have futile "words" with the Financial Times to make sure they get their facts straight in future!?

mac_iomhair

prinz wrote: »

Check out the difference between nationalism and patriotism.

This thread had nothing to do with 'pride' in Ireland. It had to do with an immature ha-ha at Britain attitude.I'm proud of Ireland and being Irish, I'm a patriot.That has nothing to do with harbouring an infantile anti-British bias.

i agree with you 100 percent, dont get me wrong, im not anti british, just seems we as irish people are quicker to judge anti british comments than anto irish comments on these internet forums, just a point.

prinz

darkman2 wrote: »

Are you saying that when the likes of the Sunday Times, the FINANCIAL TIMES and other "reputable" anti Irish, anti Euro, Tory, Brit fcuking journalists write this stuff for an audience of tens of millions of people week in week out it has no effect!? ......well, sorry, but once again on the link I posted - It IS effecting our ability to borrow. It is called negative sentiment. It grows - it establishes perception over time....and we are being butt fcuked big time by the Tory press over there and we are suppose sit back and pretend that sentiment is not damaging us!?


Did Brian Lenihan not go over to have futile "words" with the Financial Times to make sure they get their facts straight in future!?

I'm establishing a perception here of my own.It's not complimentary to that kind of nonsense.

Jesus Wept

darkman2 wrote: »

we were being hammered by the tory UK press in particular about being "alcholics that came across money" and "going back to the potatoe"

Dan Quail?


What's all this going back to the potato nonsense, we've always been ghey for the potatoes.

Dudess

darkman2 wrote: »

Eh I don't think you understand or have read the articles concerned. Charlie McCreevy has claimed there is a UK media campaign against this country - he did that in his posistion as EU commissioner.

Exactly - he WOULD find a way of alleviating how serious things are here. "The economy isn't in that bad a way - tis only the Brits making it out to be".

I agree with him 100%. Did you watch the primetime segment I posted? No?

I didn't because I don't have sound on this computer.

You must'nt have because it is clear you have not been exposed to the trash that has been written about us over there in British editions of papers sold here (they dare not print them here of course)

I mustn't have watched the Primetime segment because it is clear I have not been exposed to the trash that has been written about us? That doesn't even make sense. Trash like what? I am waiting for examples.

on that program they said there was "more then a distinct whiff of paddywhackery about MUCH of the coverage"

Oh right so, a "whiff" is solid proof? And "much"? That's not very concrete... It's offensive if you choose to interpret it as offensive. Can't people stop assuming the British are out to get us? Is it so impossible to believe they're not?

Take the Sunday Times for example - I read their story printed only in the UK about us two weeks ago about how we are a "beer soaked backwater" and it really got my blood boiling. They don't have the guts to put that rubbish in their paper here.

Yeah, that's the only such comment I heard of in relation to this issue (or perceived issue) - and it's just a comment. It's an iffy comment and I'm not saying it's impossible for there to be some bit of paddywackery (I'm really not that bothered about it though - in fairness, Ireland was a backwater pre boom. That's not a criticism of the Irish people - it's simply an acknowledgement that things were crap here, which they were) but are you sure it wasn't tongue-in-cheek? Because, in fairness, it seems you're actually LOOKING for examples of the Brits putting us down.

As Alan Dukes said - the commentary from Britain - "much of it has been hysterical, stupid, idiocy"

That's because things are pretty hysterical here - and there's nothing actually offensive or anti-Irish about reporting things in a hysterical, stupid, idiotic manner.

and they go on to explain the constant potatoe, alcohol and Iceland jibes.

Why on earth would you get bothered by that? They're just clichés which people don't use to offend people. Are you saying if you read an article about Mexico's economy and there was mention of tequila, tortillas, fajitas, sombreros etc, you'd consider it offensive?
And the Iceland thing - yeah it's just handy that there's a letter missing which leads to lots of bad jokes. You are being extremely sensitive.

This is damaging this country.

No it ****ing isn't. Have some cop-on. :rolleyes:
The economy is damaging the country and you can't blame the UK media for that.

mac_iomhair wrote: »

you see even saying "british" and "the brits" makes you think your not being PC.

I don't give a rat's ass whether I'm perceived as "PC" or not... do you even know what "PC" means? I just say "British" because that's the eh... right word. What should I say? I thought pain-in-the-hole fanatical Irish patriots (I'm talking about the unreasonable British-hating ones Terry, not anyone who has pride in being Irish) always said "the Brits".

Makes you think you need to watch what you say in case your taken up wrong

What the **** are you on about? You can't answer my last question to you so you just babble all this crap. LOL

Ya see its not PC to be Irish and to say that no matter what Ill stand by my country

I wouldn't consider it not PC, I'd just consider it fanatical. And hilarious.

anything patriotic at all is taken as a symbol of being an IRA lover.

Only in your head... Reasonable, moderate patriotism/nationalism is fine by most people. But I presume you are an IRA "lover"?

I think you should spend more time living your life

LOL - can I ask what info you have that would indicate I'm not "living my life"?

and loving your country

I happened to be born on this random stretch of land - it wasn't an achievement so no, I couldn't be arsed loving my country, nor do I hate it.

than worrying about our perspective of Britian.

Can I ask what info you have indicating I'm worried about our perspective of Britain?

It's very simple: I consider people who despise the British and look for reasons to despise them even more... absolutely pathetic. There's really nothing more to it.