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Hard not to be smug about the UK today just a smidgeon

darkman2

For all our difficulties, having spent the last few weeks as an Irish person having to listen to and read the hysterical, sensationalist, stupidity and paddywhackery coming from almost ALL UK media outlets about Ireland and our situation (if you saw Primetime last night you will have had a flavour)....it's hard for me not to get some element of satisfaction as to the facts emerging today about their own economy.

Well, they had their budget today and they ain't exactly in a good way either

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5uk_p20kmQ

We thought we were bad (and we are) - we were being hammered by the tory UK press in particular about being "alcholics that came across money" and "going back to the potatoe" etc etc - bet they will be a little quiter now having to borrow 12% of GDP just to keep them going. We are "only" borrowing just over 10%..........

I expect vindictive columns in all Irish papers tomorrow with some Brit whackery........revenge!

"No shame in going to the IMF" - that's right lads, no shame.

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Fratton Fred

the only quotes I heard about the irish, drink and greed were from the irish themselves.

The IMF has actually downgraded the amount of debt they originally expected the UK to require to bail out the banks, but their report today on the world economy was pretty gloomy. the one that surprised me was that the German economy is expected to shrink by 5.6%, the highest of the large EU economies

thelordofcheese

Local-womanizer wrote: »

If that hand is made of cheese it is though:pac:

Get the hell away from my hand!

Latchy

News just in :

A ****load of brits are heading to dublin to drown their sorrows after the British budget confirmed that it's a case of ' carry on regardless ' except just for a bit longer this time .It is expected the booze feast will also continue for much longer than expected .

Dublins publicans are rubbing their hands with glee

S.I.R

anyone who can drink more then 6 pints of bulmers in 2 hours is an alcoholic in their terms...

the whole country is an alcoholic state... though to be fair...

Yet they wonder why they are hated by Everyone ( internationally ) ??

mugs... they also nearly ruined my paddys day... getting sick all over the place and one nearly on me !!

the cheek. :mad:

just because i can and do drink most people under the table doesnt mean im an alcoholic, it means i enjoy my few drinks...

if they cant handle their drink... fine, but i never get sick, a bit of a wobble is a given but i don't cause trouble either...

they need to update their stereotypes the muppets.

getz

mike65 wrote: »

You know what the Irish economy needs right now? It biggest trading partner and no 1 tourist market to be in the crapper. Yep that what we need right now.

dont worry pall the brit /tourist trade will still come over we love the irish ,as far as exports ,you have no choice be to trade with the uk ,exporting over to france ect costs a lot more in transport than it costs other eu countrys, you would not be able to compete

mac_iomhair

the only people that hate the Irish are the Irish themselves, some of you guys think you are smart to be pro- british, "oh im bigger than that" catch a grip. If the french started saying that about us this would be a whole thread of "bloody frogs" etc. The media here in Ireland is controlled so much by Britian that most of ya are a bunch of West Brits. I hate this self hating Irish attitude, whats wrong with a bit of pride in your country, I think some of you have identity problems. When did taking pride in your country become such a sin,:mad:

Dudess

mac_iomhair wrote: »

the only people that hate the Irish are the Irish themselves, some of you guys think you are smart to be pro- british, "oh im bigger than that" catch a grip. If the french started saying that about us this would be a whole thread of "bloody frogs" etc. The media here in Ireland is controlled so much by Britian that most of ya are a bunch of West Brits. I hate this self hating Irish attitude, whats wrong with a bit of pride in your country, I think some of you have identity problems. When did taking pride in your country become such a sin,:mad:

Well, to be fair... nah, I can't be arsed.

ejmaztec

getz wrote: »

dont worry pall the brit /tourist trade will still come over we love the irish ,as far as exports ,you have no choice be to trade with the uk ,exporting over to france ect costs a lot more in transport than it costs other eu countrys, you would not be able to compete

I'd say that 99% of British "tourists" are the ones visiting their Irish relatives. The other 1% get on the wrong ferry or plane by mistake.

dyl10

Ireland to still have the highest GDP per capita in the EU this year.

Ching Ching :pac:

mac_iomhair

ejmaztec wrote: »

I'd say that 99% of British "tourists" are the ones visiting their Irish relatives. The other 1% get on the wrong ferry or plane by mistake.

another stupid anti irish comment made by an irishman/woman,:eek: most british people like to visit Ireland for the scenery and the pubs etc... stop putting the country down for gods sake

Dudess

Explain how it's "self-hating" or "west Brit" or "lacking in national pride" or "pro British" or a sign of having "identity problems" to simply appeal for less hatred and bitterness and paranoia when it comes to "the British"? Particularly when it comes to media reports that simply tell it like it is. If the French reported that Ireland's economy is going down the toilet, we would simply view it as the facts being reported.

Or should we harbour venom towards the "the Brits" at all times and with extreme fervour? Is that what's required to make us proud to be Irish and sure of our identity? If so, well I personally would rather go for the healthier approach.

darkman2

Dudess wrote: »

Explain how it's "self-hating" or "west Brit" or "lacking in national pride" or "pro British" or a sign of having "identity problems" to simply appeal for less hatred and bitterness and paranoia when it comes to "the British"? Particularly when it comes to media reports that simply tell it like it is. If the French reported that Ireland's economy is going down the toilet, we would simply view it as the facts being reported.

Or should we harbour venom towards the "the Brits" at all times and with extreme fervour? Is that what's required to make us proud to be Irish and sure of our identity? If so, well I personally would rather go for the healthier approach.

Eh I don't think you understand or have read the articles concerned. Charlie McCreevy has claimed there is a UK media campaign against this country - he did that in his posistion as EU commissioner. I agree with him 100%. Did you watch the primetime segment I posted? No? You must'nt have because it is clear you have not been exposed to the trash that has been written about us over there in British editions of papers sold here (they dare not print them here of course) - on that program they said there was "more then a distinct whiff of paddywhackery about MUCH of the coverage".....this is not me being over sensitive. Take the Sunday Times for example - I read their story printed only in the UK about us two weeks ago about how we are a "beer soaked backwater" and it really got my blood boiling. They don't have the guts to put that rubbish in their paper here.

As Alan Dukes said - the commentary from Britain - "much of it has been hysterical, stupid, idiocy" - and they go on to explain the constant potato, alcohol and Iceland jibes.

This is damaging this country. It is contributing to making our borrowing more expensive. So fcuk....yeah I think we deserve to have a wry smile at them for a few hours considering the onslaught we have endured for months on end.

mac_iomhair

Dudess wrote: »

Explain how it's "self-hating" or "west Brit" or "lacking in national pride" or "pro British" or a sign of having "identity problems" to simply appeal for less hatred and bitterness and paranoia when it comes to "the British"? Particularly when it comes to media reports that simply tell it like it is. If the French reported that Ireland's economy is going down the toilet, we would simply view it as the facts being reported.

Or should we harbour venom towards the "the Brits" at all times and with extreme fervour? Is that what's required to make us proud to be Irish and sure of our identity? If so, well I personally would rather go for the healthier approach.

you see even saying "british" and "the brits" makes you think your not being PC. Makes you think you need to watch what you say in case your taken up wrong, Ya see its not PC to be Irish and to say that no matter what Ill stand by my country anything patriotic at all is taken as a symbol of being an IRA lover. Thats the media for ya. I think you should spend more time living your life and loving your country than worrying about our perspective of Britian.

prinz

mac_iomhair wrote: »

the only people that hate the Irish are the Irish themselves, some of you guys think you are smart to be pro- british, "oh im bigger than that" catch a grip. If the french started saying that about us this would be a whole thread of "bloody frogs" etc. The media here in Ireland is controlled so much by Britian that most of ya are a bunch of West Brits. I hate this self hating Irish attitude, whats wrong with a bit of pride in your country, I think some of you have identity problems. When did taking pride in your country become such a sin,:mad:

Check out the difference between nationalism and patriotism.

This thread had nothing to do with 'pride' in Ireland. It had to do with an immature ha-ha at Britain attitude.I'm proud of Ireland and being Irish, I'm a patriot.That has nothing to do with harbouring an infantile anti-British bias.

prinz

darkman2 wrote: »

This is damaging this country. It is contributing to making our borrowing more expensive. So fcuk....yeah I think we deserve to have a wry smile at them for a few hours considering the onslaught we have endured for months on end.

I don't think the international money markets, the IMF etc., take what's written in the papers to work out the cost of borrowing :pac:

darkman2

prinz wrote: »

I don't think the international money markets, the IMF etc., take what's written in the papers to work out the cost of borrowing :pac:

Are you saying that when the likes of the Sunday Times, the FINANCIAL TIMES and other "reputable" anti Irish, anti Euro, Tory, Brit fcuking journalists write this stuff for an audience of tens of millions of people week in week out it has no effect!? ......well, sorry, but once again on the link I posted - It IS effecting our ability to borrow. It is called negative sentiment. It grows - it establishes perception over time....and we are being butt fcuked big time by the Tory press over there and we are suppose sit back and pretend that sentiment is not damaging us!?

Did Brian Lenihan not go over to have futile "words" with the Financial Times to make sure they get their facts straight in future!?

mac_iomhair

prinz wrote: »

Check out the difference between nationalism and patriotism.

This thread had nothing to do with 'pride' in Ireland. It had to do with an immature ha-ha at Britain attitude.I'm proud of Ireland and being Irish, I'm a patriot.That has nothing to do with harbouring an infantile anti-British bias.

i agree with you 100 percent, dont get me wrong, im not anti british, just seems we as irish people are quicker to judge anti british comments than anto irish comments on these internet forums, just a point.

prinz

darkman2 wrote: »

Are you saying that when the likes of the Sunday Times, the FINANCIAL TIMES and other "reputable" anti Irish, anti Euro, Tory, Brit fcuking journalists write this stuff for an audience of tens of millions of people week in week out it has no effect!? ......well, sorry, but once again on the link I posted - It IS effecting our ability to borrow. It is called negative sentiment. It grows - it establishes perception over time....and we are being butt fcuked big time by the Tory press over there and we are suppose sit back and pretend that sentiment is not damaging us!?

Did Brian Lenihan not go over to have futile "words" with the Financial Times to make sure they get their facts straight in future!?

I'm establishing a perception here of my own.It's not complimentary to that kind of nonsense.

Jesus Wept

darkman2 wrote: »

we were being hammered by the tory UK press in particular about being "alcholics that came across money" and "going back to the potatoe"

Dan Quail?

What's all this going back to the potato nonsense, we've always been ghey for the potatoes.

Dudess

darkman2 wrote: »

Eh I don't think you understand or have read the articles concerned. Charlie McCreevy has claimed there is a UK media campaign against this country - he did that in his posistion as EU commissioner.

Exactly - he WOULD find a way of alleviating how serious things are here. "The economy isn't in that bad a way - tis only the Brits making it out to be".

I agree with him 100%. Did you watch the primetime segment I posted? No?

I didn't because I don't have sound on this computer.

You must'nt have because it is clear you have not been exposed to the trash that has been written about us over there in British editions of papers sold here (they dare not print them here of course)

I mustn't have watched the Primetime segment because it is clear I have not been exposed to the trash that has been written about us? That doesn't even make sense. Trash like what? I am waiting for examples.

on that program they said there was "more then a distinct whiff of paddywhackery about MUCH of the coverage"

Oh right so, a "whiff" is solid proof? And "much"? That's not very concrete... It's offensive if you choose to interpret it as offensive. Can't people stop assuming the British are out to get us? Is it so impossible to believe they're not?

Take the Sunday Times for example - I read their story printed only in the UK about us two weeks ago about how we are a "beer soaked backwater" and it really got my blood boiling. They don't have the guts to put that rubbish in their paper here.

Yeah, that's the only such comment I heard of in relation to this issue (or perceived issue) - and it's just a comment. It's an iffy comment and I'm not saying it's impossible for there to be some bit of paddywackery (I'm really not that bothered about it though - in fairness, Ireland was a backwater pre boom. That's not a criticism of the Irish people - it's simply an acknowledgement that things were crap here, which they were) but are you sure it wasn't tongue-in-cheek? Because, in fairness, it seems you're actually LOOKING for examples of the Brits putting us down.

As Alan Dukes said - the commentary from Britain - "much of it has been hysterical, stupid, idiocy"

That's because things are pretty hysterical here - and there's nothing actually offensive or anti-Irish about reporting things in a hysterical, stupid, idiotic manner.

and they go on to explain the constant potatoe, alcohol and Iceland jibes.

Why on earth would you get bothered by that? They're just clichés which people don't use to offend people. Are you saying if you read an article about Mexico's economy and there was mention of tequila, tortillas, fajitas, sombreros etc, you'd consider it offensive?
And the Iceland thing - yeah it's just handy that there's a letter missing which leads to lots of bad jokes. You are being extremely sensitive.

This is damaging this country.

No it ****ing isn't. Have some cop-on. :rolleyes:
The economy is damaging the country and you can't blame the UK media for that.

mac_iomhair wrote: »

you see even saying "british" and "the brits" makes you think your not being PC.

I don't give a rat's ass whether I'm perceived as "PC" or not... do you even know what "PC" means? I just say "British" because that's the eh... right word. What should I say? I thought pain-in-the-hole fanatical Irish patriots (I'm talking about the unreasonable British-hating ones Terry, not anyone who has pride in being Irish) always said "the Brits".

Makes you think you need to watch what you say in case your taken up wrong

What the **** are you on about? You can't answer my last question to you so you just babble all this crap. LOL

Ya see its not PC to be Irish and to say that no matter what Ill stand by my country

I wouldn't consider it not PC, I'd just consider it fanatical. And hilarious.

anything patriotic at all is taken as a symbol of being an IRA lover.

Only in your head... Reasonable, moderate patriotism/nationalism is fine by most people. But I presume you are an IRA "lover"?

I think you should spend more time living your life

LOL - can I ask what info you have that would indicate I'm not "living my life"?

and loving your country

I happened to be born on this random stretch of land - it wasn't an achievement so no, I couldn't be arsed loving my country, nor do I hate it.

than worrying about our perspective of Britian.

Can I ask what info you have indicating I'm worried about our perspective of Britain?

It's very simple: I consider people who despise the British and look for reasons to despise them even more... absolutely pathetic. There's really nothing more to it.

darkman2

Recession: the bad luck of the Irish

It was once hailed as the best place to live in the world. Now it’s in the grip of a terrifying economic storm. Could Ireland be the first euro country to go bust? John Arlidge
In Ireland, the biggest funerals take place in the smallest churches. St Mochta’s, on Dublin’s western fringes, is little bigger than a front room. So many mourners turned up for the funeral of Patrick Rocca that they spilt out onto the pavement. Anyone who is anyone in modern Ireland was there, huddled together under a sky the colour of a day-old bruise.

Politicians, pop stars, billionaire developers, horsemen and the sporting elite. Even the paparazzi. Rocca would have liked that. The 42-year-old was the self-styled poster boy for the new, resurgent Ireland, with a glamorous wife, private planes and helicopters, and a property business worth, at its peak in 2007, €450m. But one morning in January, he snapped. The first sign that anything was wrong was when neighbours saw him walking round the garden of his €5m house in Holmeleigh, an exclusive residential enclave of Dublin, in pyjamas. When his wife, Annette, returned home just before 9am after taking the couple’s two sons to school, she found her husband dead in the hall. He had shot himself in the head with a shotgun. The morning papers revealed the value of his business had collapsed to as little as €14m, with debts of €18m.

Rocca’s funeral was not simply a wake for one man. To many, the bells that rang out as the hearse pulled away were a lament for a nation. The Celtic tiger that transformed a beer-soaked backwater into the envy of every small nation with a thirst for a makeover is dead, and its cubs are looking to emigrate because they see no future. The signs, big and small, are everywhere. One bank, Anglo Irish, the country’s third largest, has been nationalised, and the government is negotiating bail-outs for two more. Foreign firms, notably Dell computers, are shutting factories. The family china — Waterford Wedgwood — is being sold off. Guinness has put its plans to build a €1 billion “super-brewery” into cold storage. Crowds at the horse races are down 10% and on-course betting has dropped 18%. In the most remarkable reversal of economic fortune, Poland, whose workers flocked to Ireland in the go-go years, has started hosting job fairs to attract unemployed Irish workers to Warsaw. The ad slogan? “Come to the new Ireland.”

Paddies heading for Poland? Surely it can’t be that bad? Unfortunately, it can. If you think the British economy is a mess, spare a thought for the neighbours. Ireland had a bigger boom and is now suffering a bigger bust, with fewer resources to dig itself out of the hole. In his cramped, pamphlet-strewn office on the banks of the Liffey, Professor John FitzGerald, an economist at the Economic and Social Res-earch Institute and the son of the former taoiseach, Garret Fitz-Gerald, confirms that salaries are falling, house prices have slumped by a third, the stock market is at a 14-year low, and unemployment is set to hit 12% by the end of the year. Ireland recently became the first western European country to have its top-notch credit rating downgraded from stable to negative by the ratings agencies Moody’s and Standard & Poor’s. This year, the budget deficit will reach 10%, the highest in the EU, and the government concedes the economy will shrink by 6.5%, compared with 2-3% in the UK. “This is a dramatically bigger shock for Ireland than for the UK,” FitzGerald says.

Things are so bad that Nouriel Roubini, the New York banker nicknamed Dr Doom because he predicted the global crash, says Ireland could be the next country to go bust after Iceland. He points out that Ireland got richer faster than Iceland, in much the same way, and now has many of the same problems. “If a big institution in Ireland were in trouble,” he says, “the country does not have the resources to bail them out.” Government pledges to support the banking sector by honouring all the country’s bank deposits amount to 250% of annual economic output. Ministers acknowledge the risk. In the words of Brian Lenihan, finance minister, the eco-nomy has “fallen off a cliff”. Here, MPs are so worried about default that they are advising British savers to withdraw their money from Post Office accounts, whose savings scheme is run by the Bank of Ireland. This being Ire-land, there’s a joke about it all. “What’s the capital of Ireland?” they ask. “Oh, about 20 euros.”

Those who have lost their jobs are hardly laughing. Ciaran Costello’s voice betrays anguish bordering on physical pain when he tells a tale typical of Ireland’s boom and bust. He fed and rode the Celtic tiger. He got the job, accounts manager for a luxury housing developer; the house, a three-bedroom semi in Longford, west of Dublin; and the car, a Mercedes. But then the beast devoured him. Last autumn the developer went bust and he was laid off. He could not keep up payments on the house or the car and they were repossessed. Now back home with his parents, he has decided his best business plan is to leave, but he can’t follow in his grandfather’s footsteps and head for the US “because the arse has fallen out of the economy there, too”. Instead, he’s heading for Beijing. “I’ve got a friend there who is making good money as a driver, and he says he can set me up with something. If that doesn’t work, I’ll try Australia. Living here is like whistling in a graveyard.”

What makes Ireland’s fall particularly depressing — and, to men like Costello, bewildering — is that not so long ago the Emerald Isle was the best place to live in Europe. Officially. In 2004 The Economist declared that the country’s low-tax, high-growth economy, its high-quality education and natural beauty gave it an overall quality of life unmatched anywhere in the world. The country “combines the most desirable elements of the new, such as low unemployment… with the preservation of elements of the old, such as stable family and community life,” it said. The data certainly appeared to confirm that a threadbare land of saints and scholars had become the Singapore of Europe. There was record investment in farming and infrastructure. Low taxes and a skilled workforce were attracting foreign investment by high-tech manufacturers. Jobs were so plentiful that, for the first time in modern Irish history, more people were arriving in the country than leaving. The number of foreign workers rose from 1% of the population to over 12%, sending it towards levels last seen before the potato famine.

The boom changed much more than the economy: it transformed traditional Irish society, culture, even religion. John O’Keeffe saw the changes more clearly than most. He left Dublin in 1986 and worked for Swiss Bank Corporation and Barings in London before returning in 2000 to a country where only the rain seemed familiar. Sitting at the bar of the Residence private members’ club, O’Keeffe, now the editor of Irish Entrepreneur, says: “I left a godly land of broke but merry alcoholics and came back to a place where people who used to dig potatoes were buying luxury apartments sight-unseen and driving Porsches. It was worse than the 1980s boom that I lived through in London because it was so un-Irish, so the selfishness, the vulgarity seemed worse. There were more divorces. On a Sunday the shops were full with people who seemed to worship Versace in the way our grandmothers worshipped the Virgin Mary.”

Ireland was livin’ it large and lovin’ it. But there was one big problem: what began as a boom was becoming a binge, and the worst sort — a property binge. “We started well enough. Ireland needed to grow, to play catch-up with the rest of Europe, but we ended up putting all our eggs in one basket,” says John Gilligan, mayor of Limerick. “Then the basket broke.” The uncomfortable truth is that Ireland is an economic model, but not in the way The Economist reported. In recent years, it has become a case study of how a small nation should not handle new-found riches. To understand why, you need to know about Section 23 and about the Galway Tent. But first you have to go to Doheny & Nesbitt, a pub in Dublin, take a seat in one of the oak snugs and order a pint of the black stuff. It’s here that it all started.

Doheny & Nesbitt is around the corner from the main government ministries and Ireland’s leading banks. Every night, politicians, bankers, businessmen and the odd holy man turn up to drink. “It’s the kind of place where you bump into the finance minister in the gents,” says Ronan Lyons, chief economist at Ireland’s biggest property website, Daft.ie, who is a regular. Every night conversation turns to politics and business. In the late 1980s, with the euro promising currency stability, a clutch of economists, politicians and civil servants planted the philosophical seeds for the Irish economic miracle. What if, their beery musings went, Ireland slashed taxes, reduced import duties and embraced foreign investment; then adopted the euro, giving it access to a much bigger capital market and enabling it to enjoy increased investment from Brussels and low interest rates set by the European Central Bank (ECB); and finally threw in traditional advantages — cheap labour, the English language and GMT? In the new globalised market, surely this would create economic alchemy, turning the base metal of Irish productivity into pure (Kerry) gold?

The new economic model, known as the “Doheny & Nesbitt School”, soon became government policy. It brought huge benefits. Thanks to EU investment, so many new roads and railways were built that the wealthier residents of the north looked over the border in envy for the first time. Low taxes and low interest rates lured foreign multinationals, notably high-tech giants such as Intel and Google, pharmaceutical firms and financial-services outfits, which chose Ireland as a platform from which to operate in the eurozone. A new tax rule, Section 23, encouraged developers to build, by allowing them to offset construction costs against tax. With banks offering low-interest mortgages with no money down, Ireland’s construction industry exploded. Developers were so successful they became cultural figures, much like the hedge-fund and private-equity elite in London and New York. Come August, many were found hobnobbing with decision-makers in the Fianna Fail tent at the Galway Races, a pint of Guinness in one hand and a champagne flute in the other.

There’s no doubt that the Doheny & Nesbitt strategy was the right policy, in the right place, at the right time. “We rode global trends perfectly for 15 years,” says Lyons. From 1987 to 2003, gross domestic product per person rose from 70% of the EU average to 136%, while unemployment sank to 4% from 17%. GDP growth regularly touched an astonishing 10% a year — three times the EU average. The number of euro millionaires rose a hundredfold. Ireland was transformed from one of the poorest countries in western Europe into the fourth richest country in the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development, wealthier than Britain or the US. Thanks to growing tax revenue, the government could increase its spending dramatically and still run a fiscal surplus. It was, it seemed, wealth built upon wealth.

The poor old anti Euro Sunday Times needs Ireland to collapse to prove it's points about the Euro.....hence the attention.

Dudess

darkman2 wrote: »

Are you saying that when the likes of the Sunday Times, the FINANCIAL TIMES and other "reputable" anti Irish, anti Euro, Tory, Brit fcuking journalists write this stuff for an audience of tens of millions of people week in week out it has no effect!?

What in the name of Christ are you talking about? Could you please link to this terrible Financial Times story? Or... is it possible that they were literally just stating the facts - that Ireland's economy is ****ed? Can you face up to that at all? Again, we're ****ed. You seem to be in denial about the recession, on top of everything else. Where's your evidence that these journalists are anti Irish or even Tory?

once again on the link I posted - It IS effecting our ability to borrow. It is called negative sentiment. It grows - it establishes perception over time....and we are being butt fcuked big time by the Tory press over there and we are suppose sit back and pretend that sentiment is not damaging us!?

The state of the economy is what is damaging us. Jesus ****ing wept... If ever there was an appropriate time for the "banging your head against a brick wall" or facepalm smiley (as suggested in Feedback).
Just because you have an axe to grind against the British (LOL - move on, seriously) there's no need to blow this out of such proportion.

Did Brian Lenihan not go over to have futile "words" with the Financial Times to make sure they get their facts straight in future!?

Brian Lenihan is the Minister for Finance in a screwed economy - of course he'll do what he can to minimise the damage (i.e. the truth being reported).

mac_iomhair wrote: »

i agree with you 100 percent, dont get me wrong, im not anti british, just seems we as irish people are quicker to judge anti british comments than anto irish comments on these internet forums, just a point.

Well that's far more reasonable than the stuff you've been saying already. I'd agree with you - I don't have time for the way people make negative statements about Irish people here quite a lot, or they say they're ashamed to be Irish and all that nonsense. As I said, I was born here, I don't feel in any way proud of that, but by the same token, I certainly don't feel ashamed either.
Urging people not to hate the British - especially with such spurious reasoning as here - is not akin though to agreeing with anti Irish statements.

mac_iomhair

so what your saying is you care more about standing up for britian than you do about ireland itself, which is exactly what attracted me to this conversation. I would see that as more negative.

Dont get me wrong here, I live and work in Britian for years now, I spend more time there than here, so I can say that I am not anti-British, but unlike you Im not anti-Irish more importantly.

Highsider

Pighead wrote: »

Ah excellent news. The UK is in dire financial trouble. That'll help us to get out of this God forsaken mess! The more we laugh and point at them the better chance we have of returning to the glory days. Get pointing people.

Glory days? did i miss something

Dudess

mac_iomhair wrote: »

so what your saying is you care more about standing up for britian than you do about ireland itself

Please point out where I said that.

I am not anti-British, but unlike you Im not anti-Irish more importantly.

Please point out where I indicate I'm anti Irish.

And you're doing some serious back-tracking here. In your first post it looked very like you were advocating Brit-hating.

mac_iomhair

dudess didnt see your last message there, I think were on the same page though now. Just want people to be a little more patriotic and stop putting the country down,

darkman2

Dudess wrote: »

What in the name of Christ are you talking about? Could you please link to this terrible Financial Times story? Or... is it possible that they were literally just stating the facts - that Ireland's economy is ****ed? Can you face up to that at all? Again, we're ****ed. You seem to be in denial about the recession, on top of everything else. Where's your evidence that these journalists are anti Irish or even Tory?

The state of the economy is what is damaging us. Jesus ****ing wept... If ever there was an appropriate time for the "banging your head against a brick wall" or facepalm smiley (as suggested in Feedback).
Just because you have an axe to grind against the British (LOL - move on, seriously) there's no need to blow this out of such proportion.

Brian Lenihan is the Minister for Finance in a screwed economy - of course he'll do what he can to minimise the damage (i.e. the truth being reported).

Well that's far more reasonable than the stuff you've been saying already. I'd agree with you - I don't have time for the way people make negative statements about Irish people here quite a lot, or they say they're ashamed to be Irish and all that nonsense. As I said, I was born here, I don't feel in any way proud of that, but by the same token, I certainly don't feel ashamed either.
Urging people not to hate the British - especially with such spurious reasoning as here - is not akin though to agreeing with anti Irish statements.

You're so so wrong. You have got your head in the sand and you have "no sound" on the computer so you will never understand, because tbh I could not be bothered reprinting all the trash here....therefore I have nothing more to say to you. You know my opinion. Ive seen this country dragged through the mud by the British press and you think that is alright - if the US media decided to that to Britain there would be absolute uproar and rightly so yet the paddy's are just suppose to take it and say nothing because according to you "it's the truth"......I don't know, I honestly do't know how anyone could describe the commentary about Ireland in the Daily Telegraph, the Daily Mail, the Sunday Times and the Financial Times as being just and fair. It's an absolute disgraceful exercise in bullying and paddywhackery - that is what it is.

tinner777

i saw that prime time, some clown from sky saying a few places where thinking of coming out of the euro, funny you seemed not to hear the nobel prize winning yank laughing his head off at us and how the government where trying to get us out of this. So yanks good?? brits bad??
i'd say you've too much time on your hands mate :rolleyes:

ejmaztec

mac_iomhair wrote: »

another stupid anti irish comment made by an irishman/woman,:eek: most british people like to visit Ireland for the scenery and the pubs etc... stop putting the country down for gods sake

No, it's true - nobody comes here to get fleeced anymore.

Dudess

darkman2 wrote: »

You have got your head in the sand

You're the one who appears to have their head in the sand in relation to the economy.

and you have "no sound" on the computer so you will never understand

Not this computer - another one I have though. I'll check out the link when I'm using it next.

Ive seen this country dragged through the mud by the British press

Links please.

and you think that is alright

I wouldn't think it was all right for any publication to publish anti Irish hate... but that's not happening. You're just being super sensitive about any negativity at all from the British, even when this negativity is based in fact.

if the US media decided to that to Britain there would be absolute uproar

Do what? Can you please give links to the horror? British people are always being slagged off and they're expected to take it because of their past - and plenty of them do. I have always considered there to be a major sense of self deprecation among the British - if more so the younger generations.

yet the paddy's are just suppose to take it and say nothing because according to you "it's the truth"

"Take" what? If there is some really horrible anti Irish sentiment, fine, but I see absolutely no evidence of it. I see reporting of the facts - occasional gentle slagging... and then some major sensitivity from the Irish. The usual. You know, being able to laugh at yourself is actually a sign of self confidence.

I don't know, I honestly do't know how anyone could describe the commentary about Ireland in the Daily Telegraph, the Daily Mail, the Sunday Times and the Financial Times as being just and fair.

But WHAT?! What are they saying that's so hurtful? Ireland's in big trouble financially? How awful of them.

It's an absolute disgraceful exercise in bullying and paddywhackery - that is what it is.

Get over yourself. Seriously.