STYER AUG + C-MAG?

STOP RESISTING

Does anyone know what type of c-mag if any fits a steyr aug I have found a few but they all seem to be for HKG36's or M4/M16's...would these work with a steyr???

btw I haven't bought a steyr yet but I was looking at getting the A3 version with the RIS rails.

Stercus Accidit

First off, bleugh, cough cough, gack, is that blood?

Second, no, the only guy I know who has one made it custom himself, they aren't available.

Craigsy

EVIL!!!!

Burn the heretic:D:D:D

ED E

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

First off, bleugh, cough cough, gack, is that blood?

Second, no, the only guy I know who has one made it custom himself, they aren't available.

I'm tempted to post it....XD

The Master

You should talk to "Lethal Bullet" he uses a C-mag on his AUG

Stercus Accidit

Lethal_Bullet wrote: »

I'm tempted to post it....XD

Go ahead mate, its your ultimate shame, not mine

kevteljeur

STOP RESISTING wrote: »

Does anyone know what type of c-mag if any fits a steyr aug I have found a few but they all seem to be for HKG36's or M4/M16's...would these work with a steyr???

btw I haven't bought a steyr yet but I was looking at getting the A3 version with the RIS rails.

I have the A3, it's a great piece (as anything from JG these days) but putting a C-mag on an AUG? That's practically flame-baiting in the parts!

On a serious note, even if you could find one to fit, you'll find that a bullpup-design rifle (receiver behind the trigger) of any type doesn't lend itself to C-mags. You can't comfortably fit around it to grip the handle, and why you would want one for anything other than support roles is up for debate too.

Get hi-caps or mid-caps. Much more satisfying. And you'd have to mod either your AUG's magwell to take a different mag type or the C-mag itself anyway...

Toasty113

Believe me STOP, if you want a Drum mag your gona hav to be prepared to listen to all these people that are quite outspoken of their hatred.
Drum mags are only commonly available for the G36 series, Mp5 series and M4s or anything that uses their mags.

If you like bullpups the only bullpup I know of with a practical box mag would be the P90.

NakedDex

John Madden here, lets review the tape on this play;

The rookie started out well initially with this move...

Toasty113 wrote: »

Believe me STOP

...but he seemed to stumble when selling the fake by pulling this off.

Toasty113 wrote: »

If you like bullpups the only bullpup I know of with a practical box mag would be the P90.

Whatever he did next is anyone's guess as both the opposing team and his own team turned against him and destroyed him.
Let's go to our reporter on the endzone to get a comment from one of the players.

Hi John, I'm here with Asante Samuel. Asante, have you any comment on what happened to turn everyone against him so violently?
Yes I do Bill; Horf. Spew. Reak. Cough. Splutter. Barf.
Well thanks Asante, back to you John



No, seriously. Box mags on a P90? That's actually worse than box mags on a Steyr. Jesus wept.

weeder

sigh, i see where this failure of a thread is going. the only way to get a cmag for your aug in airsoft is to make one, lethal did, it looks kinda nice on it but thats neither here nor there. if you want to do it then do it and dont listen to the haters

Stercus Accidit

Whats worse than a box mag on a p90, hmm, a c-mag on an mp7?

Genghiz Cohen

Seen a real steel one for a glock.
Anything is possible if you have no self respect!

Toasty113

Welcome to the wonderful world of box mags Mr. Stop, where people go on about how much they hate them and dont give a reasoned argument. And are you completly new to Airsoft or do you have a reasonable knowledge of what your doing?



Note: I say Mr. Stop as my previous use of the word stop was misinterpreted as telling you not to get a drum mag

NakedDex

The reasoned argument has been done to death. A quick forum search will bring it up among numerous threads. At this stage box mags have become the universal aisoft joke (with the obvious exception of actual support guns).

Stercus Accidit

Even then, m249 or not, 3000 bbs is not proportional to the gun its emulating.

The sooner there is an easy way to get a mid cap box or drum the better, and regarding the logical argument? At this stage, people should be able to get why having an electric hose is a stupid way to play a military simulation game, regardless of ammo limits, a drum and aeg becomes a single object, purely designed to saturate a target.

NakedDex

There is an easy way, use a mid cap. M249's take standard STANAG mags. I had brilliant craic running around with a handful of 100 round mids for my 249 before. It's even lighter, quieter and less bulky.

Stercus Accidit

But what about milsims? Getting an electric drum to run real capacity is more hassle than its worth.

I want a mid cap drum, a big moulded lump, with 75, 100, 200 bb's depending on model.

Then c-mags could actually hold 100 rounds, maybe jam a bit for realism, and good luck to the lad who think one is handier to carry than 3 stanags!

NakedDex

I have a design in mind, if I ever get around to getting a spring custom made for my follower I'll finish it.

Stercus Accidit

Yeah, the spring company I was on to needed some actual newton figures for the spring, which I didn't have time to look into.

I want mid cap drums!

Witcher

Anyone listen to the recent Opsec airsoft podcast?

They were talking about this exact issue,and called for a midcap box mag.

A box mag on anything other than a support gun is a universal joke and it destroys the game.

Think that's a pretty valid reason

cherubaul

best of luck with the C-mag project hope it goes well.
@ lethal I don't suppose ypu could send me a tutorial on how you refitted a c mag to fit the AUG would like to do similar to a drum mag for my H-BAR.

as for the C-mag being a universal joke on anything but a support gun several of the better equipped teams including at least 1 from this forum were using Drum magazines in AK rifles to simulate support gunning including yesterday and lo and behold there has been no grumbling about it across 2 forums.
MG 36 is a support gun there fore C-mag = OK
M16 longer barreled more ungainly to wield and heavier when it has metal body but yet C-mag = NOT OK as its an infantry mans rifle doesnt make sense.
theres a definite problem in the logic there. this is not military re-enactment its a game, doesnt need to be accurate. AND as proved yesterday and countless times before it doesnt make that much if any difference to game dynamics. I remember an established member of this forum lambasting C-mags and their tactical short comings eg rattle, cumbersome, the list went on so i dont see the problem they provided as much challenges and disadvantages for the user as they did advantages.

everything else is just either snobbery or unadulterated personal bias.

I think it depends on barrel length and ungainly ness rather than pure realism
Beta made C-mags for a reason y'know. "enhanced firepower for light support weapons". And in airsoft whether you like it or not thats potentially everything.

again if we want to go real world and discuss high capacity magazines
numerous russian acquaintances have said that AK drum mags invariably find their way to chechnya for use on standard issue assault rifles as well as The RPK and incidentally the RPK 74 has no drum mag issued.

Witcher

cherubaul wrote: »

best of luck with the C-mag project hope it goes well.
@ lethal I don't suppose ypu could send me a tutorial on how you refitted a c mag to fit the AUG would like to do similar to a drum mag for my H-BAR.

as for the C-mag being a universal joke on anything but a support gun several of the better equipped teams including at least 1 from this forum were using Drum magazines in AK rifles to simulate support gunning including yesterday and lo and behold there has been no grumbling about it across 2 forums.
MG 36 is a support gun there fore C-mag = OK
M16 longer barreled more ungainly to wield and heavier when it has metal body but yet C-mag = NOT OK as its an infantry mans rifle doesnt make sense.
theres a definite problem in the logic there. this is not military re-enactment its a game, doesnt need to be accurate. AND as proved yesterday and countless times before it doesnt make that much if any difference to game dynamics. I remember an established member of this forum lambasting C-mags and their tactical short comings eg rattle, cumbersome, the list went on so i dont see the problem they provided as much challenges and disadvantages for the user as they did advantages.

everything else is just either snobbery or unadulterated personal bias.

I think it depends on barrel length and ungainly ness rather than pure realism
Beta made C-mags for a reason y'know. "enhanced firepower for light support weapons". And in airsoft whether you like it or not thats potentially everything.

again if we want to go real world and discuss high capacity magazines
numerous russian acquaintances have said that AK drum mags invariably find their way to chechnya for use on standard issue assault rifles as well as The RPK and incidentally the RPK 74 has no drum mag issued.

But see the problem with that whole argument is that RS cmags only carry 1-200 rounds.

Airsoft cmag/box mags carry 3000 and the barrel doesnt burn out on an airsoft gun so effectively a person cant sit in a ditch hosing another team with his "l33t" m4 and boxmag, fire all 3000 rounds and basically ruin the game.

I'm all for boxmags on an RPK,M249,M60 etc etc but a guy running around with 3000 round hanging out of a JG Stubby for example is BS.

NakedDex

Edit:

Screw it, it's been done to death. It's neither relevant nor the place for this discussion. The first responses say it all, and Blay wraps up what the vast majority of us think.

Do what you want, noone will stop you. Enjoy airsoft.

Stercus Accidit

This is why people play milsim.

If you play with a c-mag, all 3000 bb's, and just spray everywhere, you have no respect for your fellow players who paid to play a game, its just self indulgence, and I wouldn't be making friends with such a person to whom the effort and spirit of the game means nothing, and the other players are no more than moving targets to spray wildly at. Its not snobbery, its basic respect.

Airsoft is dividing, theres milsim, regular games, and sh1tsoft, with more polarisation of both extremes, and the people who play them.

weeder

Blay wrote: »

But see the problem with that whole argument is that RS cmags only carry 1-200 rounds.

Airsoft cmag/box mags carry 3000 and the barrel doesnt burn out on an airsoft gun so effectively a person cant sit in a ditch hosing another team with his "l33t" m4 and boxmag, fire all 3000 rounds and basically ruin the game.

I'm all for boxmags on an RPK,M249,M60 etc etc but a guy running around with 3000 round hanging out of a JG Stubby for example is BS.

i would call a stupidly high rof setup stupid and unrealistic yet there is no stigma attached to this,

kevteljeur

weeder wrote: »

i would call a stupidly high rof setup stupid and unrealistic yet there is no stigma attached to this,

I second that. I've disowned my 12v battery. It's not cricket.

NakedDex

Define "stupidly high" rate of fire?

Rhinocharge

NakedDex wrote: »

Define "stupidly high" rate of fire?

When your monthly usage of bb's cost more than the initial cost of your gun.

Masada

high ROF isn't any more unrealistic simply because you are using the same amount of ammo as everyone else. most of my guns are firing around 22-23rps yet i dont actually go through that much ammo. In a way higher ROF is more realistic because you have a much faster trigger response as aposed to the whirrrrrr-Snap of lower setups. its nice to pull the trigger and have a shot instantly go off.

Stercus Accidit

I'm packing decent rof, I still fire in 3 round bursts, just my semi responce is better, and if I decide to empty a 30 round mag in one go, fair play to me, I've used up one eighth of my ammo limit already, like an eejit.

Frank the Manc

NakedDex wrote: »

Define "stupidly high" rate of fire?

well most RS Jam 4s fire at a rate of 600-800 rpm, the old micro uzis used to be circa 950 rpm, totally excessive, so much so that the later modes had tungsten weights fited to the bolt.

so if youre talking realism, anything over 16 rounds per second is ridicously fast.

but this is airsoft, where we dont have rifled barrels, recoil(worth talking about) over heating, excessive magazine weight ect., so some realism has to be sacrificed for the sake of practicallity.

that said i despise even wind ups, never mind drum mags, but if some one wants to use them let them off, its not some magical power.

its never going to make up for lack of tactics or how you apply the gun its self.

Toasty113

Right, so I'm just goin to sum everything up that I believe on the topic of box mags.

If you want a box mag get one, if not, don't go on about how much you hate them and that theyre ruining the sport, because that gets very annoying (along with shouting "you're hit" when you think someones not taking their hits, not taking hits, etc. etc.)

But if you have a box mag, dont go around spraying everything with bullets just cause you can, be tactical, be a support gunner, whatever, just not a bullet hose.

And I swear to god if someone says you should only use box mags on support guns again I will scream (internally). Sure I can go and buy a 600euro CA249, or (I assume) the lesser A&K version (or any other support gun for that matter), but then,what if one day I decide I want to be sneaky, or a regular rifleman. Sure, I can slap a regular midcap into my A&K Full Metal M249 and go in with everyone who has a M4 or G36, But the extra 30cm and 4kg puts me at a distinct disadvantage. Whereas if you have a rifle with box mag attached, you now have options.

This is my official view on box mags. I havnt even been on boards.ie a month and I'm already bored of this argument!

If anyone feels the need to add any points I've missed, please feel free to do so.

ED E

Wow, I didn't predict this would happen...no, never....

F@ck it, here she is, flame all ye want:

Stercus Accidit

It has testicles!

Toasty113

Neat, i think I can see how you did it! Does that not get in the way a bit?

And of course this was gonna happen!

kevteljeur

A large reason for people not using AUGs, or at least for expressing a liking for them, is exactly this sort of behaviour. Lethal, it's not good. How on earth can you even fire it without lying underneath it?? Never mind needing the physique of a gibbon. It is a hideous thing. I'm tempted to pass this on to a mod to delete the photo and lock the thread, just to make the point that it shouldn't have been done.

Hell, I might even notify the authorities, they'll find a reason to impound it. I'll help 'em find one.


Nice paint job, by the way. The craftsman did a great job on it for you.

The Master

Now Now lads play nice

Each to their own and all that

cherubaul

how did you attach the AUG hicap piece to the C-MAG?
I like the principal and would like to try it out. I'd probably base it on the drum type mag just to make it a little narrower.

DeBurca

i think its wonderful
it may not look pretty but you have to admire the ingenuity and skill in putting it all together and to have the ability to think out side the box (pun intended) and then put it all together regardless of what people think.
Lethal you should show it off with pride and maybe use the photo as your signature

kevteljeur

Sorry lads, it's a long running gag between a few of us about a) the AUG, b) C-mags but mostly c) Lethal, his evangelism of the AUG, and that he actually stuck a C-mag onto an AUG. And a few other things besides.

Sorry if it came off offensive to others. As for Lethal...

Sod'o swords

kevteljeur wrote: »

Sorry lads, it's a long running gag between a few of us about a) the AUG, b) C-mags but mostly c) Lethal, his evangelism of the AUG, and that he actually stuck a C-mag onto an AUG. And a few other things besides.

Sorry if it came off offensive to others. As for Lethal...

funny because you have the worst of AUGs.

Where as the A1 is actually slightly nice.

The A3...

oh my.

But on a topical Note, i doubt C-mags in a AUG would be practical.
Well, you would be firing all GaNtsA at an angle.

But realistically.
I don't see it as practical.

ED E

Two notes:
1. Its on a H-BAR Variant, not a true A1, this is a support gun.
2. I have yet to skirmish it, but I beleive it to be managable as long as you arent playing CQB, defending positions should be fun.

I made the CMAG with Resin, a plastic bar, and two screws. Its based on a 36 series AIM CMAG. Take the mag part of, cut, resin, re-attach.

cherubaul

Lethal_Bullet wrote: »

Two notes:
1. Its on a H-BAR Variant, not a true A1, this is a support gun.
2. I have yet to skirmish it, but I beleive it to be managable as long as you arent playing CQB, defending positions should be fun.

I made the CMAG with Resin, a plastic bar, and two screws. Its based on a 36 series AIM CMAG. Take the mag part of, cut, resin, re-attach.

cheers for that
will give it a try with the Drum mag and see how it goes.

irishlostboy

Sod'o swords wrote: »

The A3...

oh my.

what are you saying!!!!! :P

lol you gotta love aug threads here. the "hitler rule" thing of other forums is an "aug rule" here.

NakedDex

Frank the Manc wrote: »

well most RS Jam 4s fire at a rate of 600-800 rpm, the old micro uzis used to be circa 950 rpm, totally excessive, so much so that the later modes had tungsten weights fited to the bolt.

so if youre talking realism, anything over 16 rounds per second is ridicously fast.

I've made an active attempt to stay out of this because, lets face it, it's an argument which will never reach a conclusion. It's like that horrific "song that never ends". It's funny for the first few minutes but it becomes tedious and annoying for all involved after a short space of time.

Anyway, here's my final thought;
/me pulls up chair

With regard to the above.
You're absolutely right. If we want to be realisitc about rates of fire, we should all be doing 16 +/- 2. However, for most high end users, and even some clone users, that would mean downgrading the rate of fire on a stock gun. Your average G&G M4 does 21/22rps out of the box. I've seen JG 416's do twenty-odd on a 9.6v without upgrade. Even the Systema PTW, the self proclaimed "training rifle" has a higher rate of fire than it's RS counterpart.
Most people aren't willing to sacrifice their extra rate of fire, when controlled bursts and semi auto are their main firing modes anyway. Plus, high rates of fire are often a bigger disadvantage than an advantage.

With regard to box mags.
I, personally, hate them. I, personally, think they ruin a good game. However, only when misused. I have come against players rocking box mags on rifles who still preferred to shoot in short, controlled bursts, or even semi, and merely used the box mag as it was their only mag or they had no vest to carry mags in. My gripe isn't with the box mag as an item. My gripe is with the mindset that all-to-often follows it. These, however, are my gripes. They are shared almost universally with those I consider friends and those with whom I most often skirmish. These gripes are as valid as another persons love of said mag. Neither of us can be considered wrong for our opinions, nor should we ever have to stand for such.

With regard to Lethal_Bullets AUG H-Bar.
While I love AUG's and I'm a big fan of variants on any rifle (my lust for a complete range of L85 variants has never left me) as well as seeing different and new things on the airsoft field, I have given LB a lot of stick over this, as have a lot of us. It was good natured but at times (specifically in IRC) mutual button pushing left things a bit sour.
While I like the H-Bar variant, I dislike the specific inclusion of the C-Mag (and, it has to be said, the paint job. Well finished but I just don't believe it suits the gun). However, I would like to let it be known that I have some serious respect for LB for getting off his ass and building what he wanted. He has talked about wanting a H-Bar for a long time, and rather than moan about no companies making them, he actively went about finding and modding kit parts to build his own, as well as scratch building a C-Mag-to-AUG adaptor in a very innovative fashion. He should be commended for his ingenuity in my opinion.

With regard to this whole argument.
How about we let it be? Or at the very least, how about we keep it civil and informed. There's been quite a bit of wild nonsense on this thread, and similar previous threads. We all have our opinions on the subject, but shouting louder than the next guy won't change a persons opinion, or make them see your side of the story. Respectful and reasoned debate, however, will.


Take care of yourselves, and each other.
/me begins to chant "Steve, Steve, Steve" along with the crowd.


Edit: I just want to say, that's the finest looking A3 I've seen. The A1 body makes a huge difference to it's aesthetics, and the rails and receiver look just beat up enough.

G3-Nut

i have to say the above aug is the only one i ever thought looked OK..

Stercus Accidit

'Black rifles' Often need the contrast between the furniture and the steel, its why I'm not a fan of the black polymer AK's, but love the plum furnitured ones.

And OD is just cool, not a tan man, I'm a dapper dan man.. I mean OD, its a functionality thing, tan just doesn't make sense in Eire, argue that point away, but its a staple of desert combat.

I like the aug a1, I like support variants, I built myself an rpk because of that, so I can respect the customisation that he did, more than me probably.
I like the l85 support variant also, it featured on an episode of top gear I think, and it was one of those, that things pretty cool moments.

C-mags though, bleugh, I've been snooping around for an rpk74 flash hider to convert my aeg so I can use the long 45 round mags, and have my drum mag up for sale, as they really are just crap, and no fun to play with. I'll buy a set of russian rpk drum pouches when a mid cap drum is released, until then, I have a drum up for sale.

irishlostboy

G3-Nut wrote: »

i have to say the above aug is the only one i ever thought looked OK..

cheque is in the post. :cool:

on the subject of augs and mags, really the whole mid-cap thing also can be discussed. or lack of them. we have the kings arms midcaps....only its pretty much impossible to find any in stock anywhere!!! its the one adition that i really really want. i just wish more manufactures would make them.

Masada

Stercus Accidit wrote: »

tan just doesn't make sense in Eire, argue that point away, but its a staple of desert combat.

Thats a common misconception, its not for the desert at all, its used simply because its neutral. black attracts the eye and OD isnt suited to most conditions outside of wooded areas or darkness.

cherubaul

Masada wrote: »

Thats a common misconception, its not for the desert at all, its used simply because its neutral. black attracts the eye and OD isnt suited to most conditions outside of wooded areas or darkness.

agreed 100%
its the same reason multicam in a very effective pattern full of neutrals. have seen people in desert marpat disappear into woods very effectively with a predominantly brown uniform.

kevteljeur

irishlostboy wrote: »

cheque is in the post. :cool:

on the subject of augs and mags, really the whole mid-cap thing also can be discussed. or lack of them. we have the kings arms midcaps....only its pretty much impossible to find any in stock anywhere!!! its the one adition that i really really want. i just wish more manufactures would make them.

The King Arms 110 round mid-caps are the only mid-price game in town, but they're not great. I've had the bottom of the spring blow out in 3 or 4 of mine so far, that part of them is quite weak. I might try the 68-round mags sometime, I think they're made by Marui? (Happy to stand corrected on that). I imagine they'd be a better quality.

I'm still trying to talk the Eirsoft lads into making a STANAG conversion kit, which would really open up the possibilities. Magpul low-caps on an AUG, anyone? I'll pay, goddamnit!!


Oh, and for the record: I, too, appreciate Lethal's ingenuity and cleverness. I just think that the drum mag on a... Oh, never mind. Fair play. But Lethal, I definitely never used the word 'mighty'. We can agree on that.