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And oh look, for the article you linked:General Eisenhower issued orders to preserve the building during the bombardment of Frankfurt, because he intended to use it after the war as his headquarters. However, it may have been that the building was saved by its proximity to Grüneburgpark with its prisoner of war camp holding captured American airmen.0
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lets have a proper look at this.RTDH wrote:After the war, IG Farben changed its name to Hoechst AG.
This is not entirely correct.
IG Farben was a syndicate / joint venture / conglomerate (or Cartel, as one of SKG's quoted items said) which was formed from a merger of what were effectively the 6 largest chemical dye manufacturing companies in Germany, which - as a nation - dominated the world market for chemical dye manufacture.
Its perhaps worth noting that this merger was formed from what were already two smaller conglomerates, just as it is also worth noting that such conglomeration was - at the time - nothing exceptional (in that comparable examples in other countries can readily be found).
Included in this conglomerate were Agfa, BASF, Bayer...all names we still know today.
So, when WW2 broke out, is it any wonder that the largest chemical group in Germany - which was effectively the only major chemical producer in Germany - produced most of the chemicals that the Germans used? Hardly.
After the war, IG Farben was liquidated...mostly for its role in war crimes. As well as most of its assets being seized, the conglomerate was also broken back into its former companies. The 4 largest of these - Agfa, Bayer, BASF and Hoerscht - bought many of the smaller ones.
So IG Farben wasn't renamed into Hoerscht at all. Hoerscht was one of the companies which merged into IG Farben, and was one of the companies recreated when IG Farben was split up.0 -
No because during WW2 getting anywhere inside 5 miles was good. Pilots frequently missed larger factories.
Source: "Air Power" by Stephen Budiansky, 2004, page 282
You have to remember it was the biggest office building in europe with a distinct design. I thought you don't believe in coincidence?
See how it dwarfs the modern buildings of today surrounding it
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/IG-Farben-Gebaeude_Poelzig-Bau.jpgSo there was some damage then?
See Building 7 NY 9/11/01.Hang on this was an administrative building? Those wheren't particularly high on the list of priorities.
Okay, but on the list of priorities nonetheless.
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You really have no idea how inaccurate bommbing was in WW2 do you?Sofa_King Good wrote: »You have to remember it was the biggest office building in europe with a distinct design. I thought you don't believe in coincidence?
The reason they did blanket bombing of areas was because the accuracy was so bad.
It's not a stretch to imagine the could miss.
It is however a stretch to imagine that they blanket bombed an aera but completely avoid the building.
And? Imagine it at bombing height, in the middle of the night, with no lights on, traveling very fast over the area that you're completely unfamiliar with and with flak and search lights all around.Sofa_King Good wrote: »See how it dwarfs the modern buildings of today surrounding it
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/IG-Farben-Gebaeude_Poelzig-Bau.jpg
What about it?Sofa_King Good wrote: »See Building 7 NY 9/11/01.
And how do you know that?Sofa_King Good wrote: »
Okay, but on the list of priorities nonetheless.
But it is very much missable.Sofa_King Good wrote: »By "unmissable" I meant unmistakeable
Or they didn't bomb it because it was not worth risking hitting the POW camp nearby, which would have happened if they bombed it because bombing in WW2 was incredibly inaccurate.Sofa_King Good wrote: »You can't have it both ways. Either they missed it because it was unimportant or they avoided bombing it for its importance.
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IG Farben was a syndicate / joint venture / conglomerate (or Cartel, as one of SKG's quoted items said) which was formed from a merger of what were effectively the 6 largest chemical dye manufacturing companies in Germany, which - as a nation - dominated the world market for chemical dye manufacture.However it gets a lot worse. IG chose the Auschwitz site, they even had their own concentration camp at Monowitz. Some of its directors were charged with war crimes that included "slavery" and "mass murder"Included in this conglomerate were Agfa, BASF, Bayer...all names we still know today.
Hopefully people also know that Bayer introduced Heroin to the world.0 -
Sofa_King Good wrote: »
So these directors where charged with war crimes even though they where in with the Rothschilds?However it gets a lot worse. IG chose the Auschwitz site, they even had their own concentration camp at Monowitz. Some of its directors were charged with war crimes that included "slavery" and "mass murder"
And?Sofa_King Good wrote: »Hopefully people also know that Bayer introduced Heroin to the world.
Coca Cola once contained cocaine therefore Coca Cola today must be evil.
At the time Bayer introduced heroin, was it illegal?0 -
You really have no idea how inaccurate bommbing was in WW2 do you?
The reason they did blanket bombing of areas was because the accuracy was so bad.
It's not a stretch to imagine the could miss.
It is however a stretch to imagine that they blanket bombed an aera but completely avoid the building.
And? Imagine it at bombing height, in the middle of the night, with no lights on, traveling very fast over the area that you're completely unfamiliar with and with flak and search lights all around.
You make it sound like its impossible.What about it?
That was damaged by the buildings around it, even came down. I think you are refering to this anyway-
http://www.3ad.com/history/cold.war/feature.pages/ig.farben.3.htm
The buildings across the street are damaged onlyAnd how do you know that?
It was the HQ of IG Farben and their role as enemies has already been established conclusively.But it is very much missable.
http://www.earthspots.com/ExploreEarthSpot.php?NID=1245&MT=1
Still think so?Or they didn't bomb it because it was not worth risking hitting the POW camp nearby, which would have happened if they bombed it because bombing in WW2 was incredibly inaccurate.
Perhaps but its unsubstantiated speculationSo why do you believe it survived the war exactly?
Okay you have Rothschild agents on both sides, the Warburg bros on "formerly" Rothschild land.0 -
Impossible to hit? Not with a large area of bombing alot of planes and a bit of luck.Sofa_King Good wrote: »You make it sound like its impossible.
So what you're saying is that they got that close and missed the building intentionally?Sofa_King Good wrote: »That was damaged by the buildings around it, even came down. I think you are refering to this anyway-
http://www.3ad.com/history/cold.war/feature.pages/ig.farben.3.htm
The buildings across the street are damaged only
Can you show where the bomb that caused that damage actually hit? Or when that photo was taken?
Or you know they could attack factories that would actually slow down production?Sofa_King Good wrote: »It was the HQ of IG Farben and their role as enemies has already been established conclusively.
Or that it wasn't worth attacking because of the proximity to a POW camp?
Or that Einsenhower wanted the building intact to serve as a base?
Yes, very much so. I don't think they had google maps on the plane.Sofa_King Good wrote: »
Oh and it was the middle of the night and all the street lights where off and the pilots where unfamiliar with the landscape and they where under fire.
Except the park continating the PWO camp was right next to the building. You can see it on the map you provided.Sofa_King Good wrote: »Perhaps but its unsubstantiated speculation
And you are one to talk about unsubstantiated speculation.
Oh look, here's some.Sofa_King Good wrote: »Okay you have Rothschild agents on both sides, the Warburg bros on "formerly" Rothschild land.
So how exactly do you know that this building was preserved on orders by the Rothschilds exactly? And how exactly is it a better explanation than any off the one I have provided?0 -
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So these directors where charged with war crimes even though they where in with the Rothschilds?
Useful Idiots I believe is the term. Look up their sentences, they were refered as sentences for "chicken thieves".And?
Coca Cola once contained cocaine therefore Coca Cola today must be evil.
Ha. We agree on something;)At the time Bayer introduced heroin, was it illegal?
1898, no. this wasn't intil 1912. are you defending the gift of heroin?0 -
And have you anything other than your own bias to show that their Rothschild connection was at play here?Sofa_King Good wrote: »Useful Idiots I believe is the term. Look up their sentences, they were refered as sentences for "chicken thieves".
No we don't.Sofa_King Good wrote: »Ha. We agree on something;)
No I'm just saying there is nothing technically wrong for producing a substance that is legal. And has absolutely no bearing on the company 100 years later.Sofa_King Good wrote: »1898, no. this wasn't intil 1912. are you defending the gift of heroin?
In fact it's a total red herring.0 -
Hang on a second. You can't use both arguments. If it is as difficult as you say then the bombing to the houses across the street remove the argument by this logic of preserving it for a base and avoiding the POW camp.0
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Sofa_King Good wrote: »Hang on a second. You can't use both arguments. If it is as difficult as you say then the bombing to the houses across the street remove the argument by this logic of preserving it for a base and avoiding the POW camp.
And you can identify bomb damage from a photo?
How do you know it wasn't fire caused by a more distant bombing?
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No I'm just saying there is nothing technically wrong for producing a substance that is legal. And has absolutely no bearing on the company 100 years later.
In fact it's a total red herring.
By virtue of the fact that you had to put "technically" between "nothing" and "wrong" Im going to assume you think it is actually wrong, Correct me otherwise.
You see for me it is all part of the same eugenics program, sometimes subtle sometimes not. The concentration Camps/famines/wars/abortion/drugs/man made diseases/the reduction in food quality and so on and its being going on for a hundred years.
For example
http://ecosyn.us/Bush-Hitler/Rockefeller_Institute_for_Medical_Research_Eugenics.htmlT[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]he Rockefellers helped establish the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute in Germany which housed Professor Ernest Rudin, the chief architect of the Third Reich's infamous "Sterilization Law" and the system of Hereditary Health Courts which ordered eugenics sterilizations to be carried out.[/FONT]
The Rockefeller family are covered in treasoneous dirt from this through Standard Oil and I.G.
May I ask you it always seems to be the same 20-50 people involved do you think?0 -
If they knew the harmful effects then yes it's wrong, otherwise no.Sofa_King Good wrote: »By virtue of the fact that you had to put "technically" between "nothing" and "wrong" Im going to assume you think it is actually wrong, Correct me otherwise.
Have you any evidence to show the they knew of the harmful effects of heroin when it was developed?
Then how come come the average life span has been increasing?Sofa_King Good wrote: »You see for me it is all part of the same eugenics program, sometimes subtle sometimes not. The concentration Camps/famines/wars/abortion/drugs/man made diseases/the reduction in food quality and so on and its being going on for a hundred years.
How do you know that all concentration Camps/famines/wars/abortion/drugs/man made diseases/the reduction in food quality are part of the same plot?
It's not. You are making connections that aren't there.Sofa_King Good wrote: »May I ask you it always seems to be the same 20-50 people involved do you think?
You actually gonna answer my last question?
How do you know that the I.G. Faben building survived the war because of the Rothschilds?0 -
And you can identify bomb damage from a photo?
http://www.frankfurthigh.com/history/images7/ffm49b.jpg
Well this is pretty clear and is how the rest of Frankfurt looked after years of bombing.How do you know it wasn't fire caused by a more distant bombing?
Or caused by something else later in the war?
Doesn't matter what we do kniw is that the IG building remained intact.
Here is some more on IG FarbenWhat follows is but a fractional part of the 'middle' of a story that began before the turn of the century and which was provoked by a statement contained in an "Address in Reply to the Governor's Speech to Parliament", as recorded in Victorian Hansard of 12 August 1987, by Mr. Harley Rivers Dickinson, Liberal Party Member of the Victorian Parliament for South Barwon. Hence the title.
The relevant Hansard abstract is reproduced herewith. It is emphasized that the writer imputes Mr. Dickinson with no other responsibility for the contents of this thesis than being the parliamentary 'trigger' which motivated it and the researched data which it contains.
"At the end of the Second World War, the United States Government sent Charles Eliot Perkins, a research worker in chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology, to take charge of the vast Farben chemical plants in Germany.
"While there he was told by German chemists of a scheme which had been worked out by them during the war and adopted by the German General Staff.
"This was to control the population in any given area through mass medication of drinking water. In this scheme, sodium fluoride occupied a prominent place.
"Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual's power to resist domination by slowly poisoning and narcotizing a certain area of the brain and will thus make him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. "Both the Germans and the Russians added sodium fluoride to the drinking water of prisoners of war to make them stupid and docile."0 -
Not really. It could be fire damage. Note how in the buildings near the IG building were largely intact but with their roofs collapsed. But the building in these pictures have only a wall or two left.Sofa_King Good wrote: »Well this is pretty clear and is how the rest of Frankfurt looked after years of bombing.
I'm going to hazard a guess and go with you believed that the building survived because of Rothschild orders because you couldn't provide another explaination.Sofa_King Good wrote: »Doesn't matter whaat we do kniw is that the IG building remained intact.
I however have provided three other (more likely) explanation have I not?
So how do you know the IG Fabens connections saved the building?
Source? Or did you just make this up?Sofa_King Good wrote: »What follows is but a fractional part of the 'middle' of a story that began before the turn of the century and which was provoked by a statement contained in an "Address in Reply to the Governor's Speech to Parliament", as recorded in Victorian Hansard of 12 August 1987, by Mr. Harley Rivers Dickinson, Liberal Party Member of the Victorian Parliament for South Barwon. Hence the title.
The relevant Hansard abstract is reproduced herewith. It is emphasized that the writer imputes Mr. Dickinson with no other responsibility for the contents of this thesis than being the parliamentary 'trigger' which motivated it and the researched data which it contains.
"At the end of the Second World War, the United States Government sent Charles Eliot Perkins, a research worker in chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology, to take charge of the vast Farben chemical plants in Germany.
"While there he was told by German chemists of a scheme which had been worked out by them during the war and adopted by the German General Staff.
"This was to control the population in any given area through mass medication of drinking water. In this scheme, sodium fluoride occupied a prominent place.
"Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual's power to resist domination by slowly poisoning and narcotizing a certain area of the brain and will thus make him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. "Both the Germans and the Russians added sodium fluoride to the drinking water of prisoners of war to make them stupid and docile."0 -
So how do you know the IG Fabens connections saved the building?
Maybe if you try to read between the lines
At the end of the war, U.S. Justice Department attorney James Stewart Martin (author of All Honorable Men, 1950) went to Germany to sort out the relationship of American and German businesses during the war, but he was thwarted in his efforts, saying
[/QUOTE]“We had not been stopped in Germany by German businesses. We had been stopped in Germany by American business. The forces that stopped us had operated from the United States but had not operated in the open. We were not stopped by a law of Congress, by an Executive Order of the President, or even by a change of policy approved by the president…. In short, whatever it was that stopped us was not ‘the government.’[/QUOTE]
http://www.newswithviews.com/Cuddy/dennis149.htm0 -
Why is it so hard to get a straight answer?Sofa_King Good wrote: »Maybe if you try to read between the lines
At the end of the war, U.S. Justice Department attorney James Stewart Martin (author of All Honorable Men, 1950) went to Germany to sort out the relationship of American and German businesses during the war, but he was thwarted in his efforts, saying
http://www.newswithviews.com/Cuddy/dennis149.htm“We had not been stopped in Germany by German businesses. We had been stopped in Germany by American business. The forces that stopped us had operated from the United States but had not operated in the open. We were not stopped by a law of Congress, by an Executive Order of the President, or even by a change of policy approved by the president…. In short, whatever it was that stopped us was not ‘the government.’
How do you know IG faben supposed Rothchilds connection saved the building?
Have you any actual evidence?
Or was it just an accusation based solely on your inability to explain it's survival?0 -
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Gents...we appear to have shifted from the OP.
Are we done discussing the alleged connection to RU-486?
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Gents...we appear to have shifted from the OP.
Are we done discussing the alleged connection to RU-486?
Well here is a more recent connection between the Rockefeller Institute and the drug.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A53938-2000Oct11With the help of the Rockefeller Foundation and the Bangkok-based Concept Foundation, the company has been working for three years to upgrade its equipment and retrain its staff to meet international standards in order to be permitted to export the drug.
The Concept Foundation was established by the World Health Organization and World Bank in 1989 to assist factories in developing countries to make medical products at low cost for Third World health The Rockefeller Foundation gave $2 million to the group in 1997 to heh agencies. Thlp Hua Lian and China's state family planning agency upgrade the factory.0 -
It's got Rockefeller in the name, it must be a vast global conspiracy!
And imagine, bringing Chinese factories up to international safety standards. It's obviously a plot to kill us all.
Those evil bastards plan to sell a FDA approved drug in a country where abortion is legal. All part of some plot to make abortions safer and less traumatic no doubt.
So I can assume then that you had no evidence or solid basis for claiming that the IG faben building was saved by the Rothschilds.0 -
It's got Rockefeller in the name, it must be a vast global conspiracy!
And imagine, bringing Chinese factories up to international safety standards. It's obviously a plot to kill us all.
Those evil bastards plan to sell a FDA approved drug in a country where abortion is legal. All part of some plot to make abortions safer and less traumatic no doubt.
So I can assume then that you had no evidence or solid basis for claiming that the IG faben building was saved by the Rothschilds.
To summarise. Hitler's rise to power was bankrolled by Wall St. and supported by Rothschild IG Farben in German, who happened to have 10 Jews on their board as late as 1933. This is documented fact.
The House of Rothschild dominated Wall St (and the Bank of England) through its agents such as Warburg (We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it.
The only question is whether World Government will be achieved
by conquest or consent." - http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote/james_warburg_quote_bc08 ), Koen, Loeb and Schiff. It was around this time that The Rothschild Federal Reserve was setup.
Also, there is a possible link between The Rothschilds and Hitler. His Grandmother a Ms Schicklegruber (?)worked as a maid in a Rothschild house in Vienna when she fell pregnant, possibly to a Rothschild and due to the Rothschild system of interbreeding this was unnaceptable but would make Hitler the grandchild of a Rothschild.
The International Bankers funded and profited from both sides of the war, not for the first time. Various corporations were supplying the Nazi's during the war. Rockefeller's Standard Oil (Now Exxon) was supplying Hitler with Oil through IG Farben via Switzerland for her war efforts.
This is from the disputed letter of Iluminatti Albert Pike"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm." 3
So why would Rothschild attack themselves?0 -
It's got Rockefeller in the name, it must be a vast global conspiracy!
Can I ask you why you think successive generations of The Rockefeller family who have been at the forefront of promoting Eugenics and population control programs care so much?
That is taking everything they do in the area as a given as working towards making the world a better place for everyone.0 -
Sofa_King Good wrote: »To summarise. Hitler's rise to power was bankrolled by Wall St. and supported by Rothschild IG Farben in German, who happened to have 10 Jews on their board as late as 1933. This is documented fact.
The House of Rothschild dominated Wall St (and the Bank of England) through its agents such as Warburg, Koen, Loeb and Schiff. It was around this time that The Rothschild Federal Reserve was setup.
Also, there is a possible link between The Rothschilds and Hitler. His Grandmother a Ms Schicklegruber (?)worked as a maid in a Rothschild house in Vienna when she fell pregnant, possibly to a Rothschild and due to the Rothschild system of interbreeding this was unnaceptable but would make Hitler the grandchild of a Rothschild.
The International Bankers funded and profited from both sides of the war, not for the first time. Various corporations were supplying the Nazi's during the war. Rockefeller's Standard Oil (Now Exxon) was supplying Hitler with Oil through IG Farben via Switzerland for her war efforts.
This is from the disputed letter of Iluminatti Albert Pike
So why would Rothschild attack themselves?
So no you have no evidence to show anything.
Just more ridiculous connections.
Hitler's Grandmother was a maid at their house therefore the Rothschilds controlled Hitler.? For godsake do you realise how silly that is?
Why did you have to write all that to answer the question?
Can you even admit that you only reason you believed the IG Faben Building was saved by the Rothschild was because you couldn't think of another explaination?0 -
Because they're not you are just making connection that aren't there.Sofa_King Good wrote: »Can I ask you why you think successive generations of The Rockefeller family who have been at the forefront of promoting Eugenics and population control programs care so much?
That is taking everything they do in the area as a given as working towards making the world a better place for everyone.
The Rockefeller Foundation not the Rockefellers supplied the money.
The money wasn't to develop the drug, it was to upgrade the facilities.
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And to suggest abortion = eugenics is complete nonsense.
Its certainly population control and would say it is a form of eugenics based on the demographics.
From Here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/22/AR2008092202831.htmlThe proportion of all abortions performed for white women decreased from 45 percent in 1994 to 34 percent in 2004, while the proportion for Hispanics increased from 16 percent to 22 percent and the proportion for black women rose from 35 percent to 37 percent.In 2004, there were 10.5 abortions per 1,000 white women ages 15 to 44, compared with 28 per 1,000 Hispanic women of that age and 50 per 1,000 black women. That translates into approximately 1 percent of white women having an abortion in 2004, compared with 3 percent of Hispanic women and 5 percent of black women
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So to conclude in the US poor non-whites are statistically more likely to have an abortion.We know from other research that having lower income makes a woman more likely to get an abortion. Women of color tend to be lower-income, and so in turn when confronted with an unintended pregnancy are more likely to have an abortion," Jones said.0 -
And still dodging the initial question.Sofa_King Good wrote: »Its certainly population control and would say it is a form of eugenics based on the demographics.
From Here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/22/AR2008092202831.html
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So to conclude in the US poor non-whites are statistically more likely to have an abortion.
And have you any evidence that this difference is caused by the Rothschilds or Rockefellers?
Could there be other explanations you haven't considered or do you just jump to these conclusions?0 -
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Because they're not you are just making connection that aren't there.
Please just read this substansial study by a Notre Dame Law Professor and tell me if you still believe they are not hugely influential in population control at least until 74'
http://uscl.info/edoc/doc.php?doc_id=76&action=inline0
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