Thinking of getting out of ireland !!

Milkey Bar Kid

I have been back in Ireland for the past 2 years. Before that I was living in Germany for 9 years.
I have a good job here but the way the Goverment is unable to take control of the situation im thinking of going back.
I know this is a global resession but I find that i have more faith in other countries sorting themselves out way before Ireland does.
I don't want to hang around while this country goes down the toilet .
Do you think i would be doing the right thing ?

live2thewire

ye sure why not like. would be a good time to move as well considering you missed out the harsh winter. so now hot central european summer awaits you.

Nodin

Milkey Bar Kid wrote: »

I have been back in Ireland for the past 2 years. Before that I was living in Germany for 9 years.
I have a good job here but the way the Goverment is unable to take control of the situation im thinking of going back.
I know this is a global resession but I find that i have more faith in other countries sorting themselves out way before Ireland does.
I don't want to hang around while this country goes down the toilet .
Do you think i would be doing the right thing ?

The French, Germans and Scandanavians seem to have far more progressive and equitable societies than our own. We however, are lumbered with the anglo-saxon model. I'd say off to Germany, and have no regrets.

LouOB

hold on a tick

***packs bags****

Im ready, where we going again?

Brian_Uckfast

As an Irish citizen, it is your duty to stick with the shinking ship that is Ireland.

If I cant go, I'm not letting you leave *jumps onto floor and grabs your feet*

Mr Benevolent

Canada. That's the place to go. And they have a working holiday visa too!

ART6

Once again. Will the last man to leave please remember to turn out the lights?

Milkey Bar Kid

Ive talked to alot of my friends in Germany and They say in the news over their that ireland is screwed. When I lived there they always said that ''Its amazing that a small country like Ireland could become so rich in such a short time. I feel so ashamed that It was a fake .

m@cc@

Been living in the Netherlands for nearly a year now and one think I will say is that the reactions to the recession seems to be a lot calmer. What I don't understand at home is why it's on the TV EVERYDAY. We all know it's happening and it crap for people losing their jobs but it's hardly mass starvation and looting on the streets.

I wish the media would keep it in perspective instead of generating mass hysteria and only fuelling the problem.

Hazys

Brian_Uckfast wrote: »

As an Irish citizen, it is your duty to stick with the shinking ship that is Ireland.

If I cant go, I'm not letting you leave *jumps onto floor and grabs your feet*

Damn right, who do you think you are? turning your back on Ireland when it needs you the most. We should all stick it out together and fight this recession. Jumping ship is what cowards do. You make me sick*






*Posted from an office 3000 miles away from the Emerald Isle

m@cc@

Milkey Bar Kid wrote: »

I feel so ashamed that It was a fake .

This is rubbish, Ireland's boom has been managed badly but it will still come out of it better than it was 20 years ago, no matter what. It's time to eat some humble pie, learn the mistakes of the past and start again.

Milkey Bar Kid

Now if I go to another country i feel the reaction is going to be '' You come from Ireland ? What happened their ? It used to be great and now its f**ked

live2thewire

maby you and an icelandic immigrant can become friends? maby a latvian as well. 3 countries in europe with a lot in common.

m@cc@

live2thewire wrote: »

maby you and an icelandic immigrant can become friends? maby a latvian as well. 3 countries in europe with a lot in common.

Probably been done but.. what's the difference between Iceland and Ireland? One letter and 6 months.

Milkey Bar Kid

Thats true . Maybe we can create our own Goverment on a desserted Island. No money involved

Hazys

Milkey Bar Kid wrote: »

Ive talked to alot of my friends in Germany and They say in the news over their that ireland is screwed. When I lived there they always said that ''Its amazing that a small country like Ireland could become so rich in such a short time. I feel so ashamed that It was a fake .

I dont think it was fake maybe the property values we bought at and the loans we got to buy them were fake but they were a direct result of all the foreign investment we brought into the country.

Ireland was a kinda like a gold mine waiting to be harvested. We had a very educated workforce that had no jobs, we had 12% Corp tax and as soon as free trade in the EU became real, foreign companies flooded into our country. We did a lot of hard work to get where we were but like everybody else we got greeedy and thats why it affects us more. The boom wasnt a fake, the greed was.

Milkey Bar Kid

Republic of Hippyland

live2thewire

the problem with our boom was many of it was low skilled work so people still remain dumb and uneducated. so many people dropped out in my other school to do carpentry and other work.

My name is URL

Instead of packing up and leaving, why not sign on and live it up.. like any self respecting patriot?

Milkey Bar Kid

When I was doig my leaving Cert FAS came to the school and told people to do trades as thats the future. Great for 10 years but now its game over

Hazys

live2thewire wrote: »

the problem with our boom was many of it was low skilled work so people still remain dumb and uneducated. so many people dropped out in my other school to do carpentry and other work.

Not quite, the boom wasnt caused by carpenters and plummers...i think it may have had more to do with Intel, Dell, HP coming to the country...

We were orginally a agricultural and manufacturing nation before the boom but we quickly became a manufacturing/tech/service nation during the boom. One thing we can say good about the government is that they did foresee us losing a lot of companies like Dell going to Poland and they did try to take us to the next level by developing a niche R&D market by increasing the amount of Phds given out (this may not have been the best way about it but they at least were looking to the future to sustain the boom) and tax relief for companies investing in R&D. A lot of recent foreign investment is work disguised as R&D from american companies classifing work as R&D to get it done cheaply.

projectmayhem

Funny this thread pops up as, in another tab, I'm reading Dutch job listings... and in another tab? That's right, Dutch apartments to let

KTRIC

OP, can I swop with you ??


I'd love to come home to Ireland from Germany. I'm hear nearly 2 years and starting to hate it.

I really hate the sunny weather, the German beer, the autobahn with no speed limits and of course I really hate those German women with the big boobies.


Save me from this hell !!!!

live2thewire

all my mums family are irish but they emmigrated to amsterdam in the 60's.

m@cc@

projectmayhem wrote: »

Funny this thread pops up as, in another tab, I'm reading Dutch job listings... and in another tab? That's right, Dutch apartments to let

You may struggle unless your Dutch is up to scratch. :pac:

Milkey Bar Kid

You Right about the German Women. I brought one home with me but surprize surprize she wants to stay in Ireland..It such a Lovely country while Im working my ass off to keep a roof over our head because of this rain. Thats the best part about Germany . In the summer its 30 oc and in Winter it snows

live2thewire

ye a girl i know from cologne is fascinated by ireland. she hates being german and wants to be irish. as the saying goes far away the fields are green

Disease Ridden

If you do go...can I have your job?

mac_iomhair

m@cc@ wrote: »

Been living in the Netherlands for nearly a year now and one think I will say is that the reactions to the recession seems to be a lot calmer. What I don't understand at home is why it's on the TV EVERYDAY. We all know it's happening and it crap for people losing their jobs but it's hardly mass starvation and looting on the streets.

I wish the media would keep it in perspective instead of generating mass hysteria and only fuelling the problem.

i agree one hundred percent, everywhere you turn its "recession" this "current economic climate" that, yea its bad here but the media is making it so much worse when they scare everyone to bits with "doom and gloom". most people wouldnt be doomy and gloomy if they just shut the feck up about it for a while. I bet you turn on the radio and within an half an hour you will have some gob****e telling you how bad things are, there is no escaping it, i want out!! slowly but surely starting to hate the place.

live2thewire

in the netherlands employment is low but i hear thats because employers rather than sacking workers are putting them on shorter weeks. if that was to happen in ireland(and it has) people would still be gloomy and depressed because they have massive mortgages to pay off.


my mum has the house here payed for(she lived in munich in the 80's where i was born) so she should be fine in this recession.

Taltos

Media have a part to play - they are not quite as independent as they are meant to be - too many axes to grind. Seem to be following the model in the UK where public opinion rules.

As to here just a few questions:
Why is the government paid so much?
Why do we not have a proper infrastructure? - All roads lead to Dublin - but if you want to use public transport you cannot avoid the city center.
Bike lanes - thats a joke
NCT - our most recent win - way to go on shutting down the NCT phone lines and online booking tool
Tax hikes - need to pay for the expenses somehow

Yup - I too am now seriously considering "jumping ship" - tired of our corrupt close-minded ways, there is no party out there I can trust to put the country ahead of their brown envelopes - sorry I mean incidentals...

Sad - but true.

Milkey Bar Kid

What I find great is that all there other countries want to spend there way out of the resession but our Goverment want to tax the country out of it . And they say that this is just the start. So whoever still has a job will be the victim of more goverment abuse

m@cc@

Milkey Bar Kid wrote: »

What I find great is that all there other countries want to spend there way out of the resession but our Goverment want to tax the country out of it .

That's not true. Don't take the US and the UK as markers for the rest of the world.

Boskowski

Hazys wrote: »

The boom wasnt a fake, the greed was.

I happen to disagree. While the boom wasn't 'fake', it was blown out of proportion.

What happened was that due to educated workforce (English language even), the low corporation tax and relatively low wages multinational companies came here creating a lot of jobs. That was all that was there which had real substance.

On the back of that an artificial boom was created. A boom that was entirely based on the workforce having more money and spending that money and a lot more - money they didn't actually have yet, and some of them never will - on houses. That drove the hype and made 'the boom' seem a lot bigger than it actually was.

Unfortunately by letting this go with no controls and no steering it drove inflation through the roof, created a hot air balloon of a construction industry and with the increased spending (as if there's no tomorrow) it also inflated other industries and government spending. Spending all round really. But based on what? Wasn't that all of a sudden Ireland actually produced anything like cars, ships, consumer goods or anything. All we had was some multinationals that may be there tomorrow or may be not. Well, we're certainly not a low wages market anymore. All we had was a lot of tax intake from people spending a lot of money they didn't actually have yet.

But how on earth did the government think that this was going to go on forever? I don't think they did. I don't buy for one second that our political class was unable to see all that including the fact that it wasn't going to last. But their priorities weren't about containing the madness and creating a stable future. All they did was to make sure that they themselves and their vested interests (cronies) were going to get the biggest piece of this cake until the bubble bursts and the idiots (thats us, the taxpayers, the electors) remaining money is used to clean up the mess.

EastWallGirl

That's not true. Don't take the US and the UK as markers for the rest of the world.


Lets have a look at some of the rest of the countries:

UK, USA, Ireland, Iceland - 'Principles' led banking regulation - whatever that means and we now know it means nothing.

Australia, Canada, NZ, Italy, France, Germany, Canada - had properly regulated banking systems.

The first four have no money to spend on infrastructure - deceitful UK with no money is trying to ge the rest of the governments to spend via the G20, IMF, World Bank etc.

Germany for example is spending - but even they are saying that there will have to be a line drawn somewhere.

Countries that dealt with the IMF and World Bank in the 80 & 90's, SOuth America and Asia - do not want them near them again and are working on improving thier economies through their own trade agreeements.

The IMF and World Bank money will go to Ireland, Hungrary, Lithuania and perhaps in the greatest irony of all US and UK. And do not think they will NOT lead those countries on the same road of catastrophe as South America.

The world wide economy did over heat, but there are countries out there that due to their size and economic makeup (Italy and Germany) or due to decent banking regaulation will come out stronger.

Think of it this way, Iceland sacked everyone involved, In Ireland where the same thing happened barely anyone has gone and when Ireland says it will look into Banking regulation who do they hire a muppet that was bad at City regulation in London and works in Barclays. Why did they not go to a country that has had bank regualtion proven to work? Because the people that run this country are up to their necks in it.

And to think if only we had not given away all the gas on the west coast there.

I am plannning on Italy.

me-skywalker

Half the people dont even know were eyerland is anyway... ive been told its somewhere between holland and india :-s


sick of taht newstalk show that ger anc claire RECESSSION WHORES!!

big b

realcam wrote: »

I happen to disagree. While the boom wasn't 'fake', it was blown out of proportion.

What happened was that due to educated workforce (English language even), the low corporation tax and relatively low wages multinational companies came here creating a lot of jobs. That was all that was there which had real substance.

On the back of that an artificial boom was created. A boom that was entirely based on the workforce having more money and spending that money and a lot more - money they didn't actually have yet, and some of them never will - on houses. That drove the hype and made 'the boom' seem a lot bigger than it actually was.

Unfortunately by letting this go with no controls and no steering it drove inflation through the roof, created a hot air balloon of a construction industry and with the increased spending (as if there's no tomorrow) it also inflated other industries and government spending. Spending all round really. But based on what? Wasn't that all of a sudden Ireland actually produced anything like cars, ships, consumer goods or anything. All we had was some multinationals that may be there tomorrow or may be not. Well, we're certainly not a low wages market anymore. All we had was a lot of tax intake from people spending a lot of money they didn't actually have yet.

But how on earth did the government think that this was going to go on forever? I don't think they did. I don't buy for one second that our political class was unable to see all that including the fact that it wasn't going to last. But their priorities weren't about containing the madness and creating a stable future. All they did was to make sure that they themselves and their vested interests (cronies) were going to get the biggest piece of this cake until the bubble bursts and the idiots (thats us, the taxpayers, the electors) remaining money is used to clean up the mess.

A reasonable summary of how we got here. Possibly of limited use to anyone deciding whether to stick it out or try their luck elsewhere. Personally, I've seen little that would reassure me that we have the quality of politician in place that will guide Ireland out of the sh*t it created for itself.

Milkey Bar Kid

I hope the head of the banks and some of the developers have criminal charges brought against them but of course they won't because they will bring some Goverment officals down with them

Hazys

realcam wrote: »

I happen to disagree. While the boom wasn't 'fake', it was blown out of proportion.

What happened was that due to educated workforce (English language even), the low corporation tax and relatively low wages multinational companies came here creating a lot of jobs. That was all that was there which had real substance.

On the back of that an artificial boom was created. A boom that was entirely based on the workforce having more money and spending that money and a lot more - money they didn't actually have yet, and some of them never will - on houses. That drove the hype and made 'the boom' seem a lot bigger than it actually was.

Unfortunately by letting this go with no controls and no steering it drove inflation through the roof, created a hot air balloon of a construction industry and with the increased spending (as if there's no tomorrow) it also inflated other industries and government spending. Spending all round really. But based on what? Wasn't that all of a sudden Ireland actually produced anything like cars, ships, consumer goods or anything. All we had was some multinationals that may be there tomorrow or may be not. Well, we're certainly not a low wages market anymore. All we had was a lot of tax intake from people spending a lot of money they didn't actually have yet.

But how on earth did the government think that this was going to go on forever? I don't think they did. I don't buy for one second that our political class was unable to see all that including the fact that it wasn't going to last. But their priorities weren't about containing the madness and creating a stable future. All they did was to make sure that they themselves and their vested interests (cronies) were going to get the biggest piece of this cake until the bubble bursts and the idiots (thats us, the taxpayers, the electors) remaining money is used to clean up the mess.

I agree with all your points and i think mine are same maybe its just the way i phrased it .

An interesting fact on greed and the excess lifestyle lead through the boom times in the US, in 1982, the average US household saved 11% of its disposable income, by 2007 the figure was 1%. I'd love to see the same figures for Ireland for before and during the boom.

projectmayhem

m@cc@ wrote: »

You may struggle unless your Dutch is up to scratch. :pac:

I'm just back from Amsterdam and having little or no Dutch (other then the key bits you pick up day-to-day from just being exposed to it) hindered me very little. I was in tourist mode but wasn't in a hotel, so had to do shopping etc. myself.

I also know a Dutch guy who's been helpful with that respect. I've been looking at jobs that require English as a language, either partly or in the odd case, as a must-have.

live2thewire wrote: »

in the netherlands employment is low but i hear thats because employers rather than sacking workers are putting them on shorter weeks. if that was to happen in ireland(and it has) people would still be gloomy and depressed because they have massive mortgages to pay off.

A lot of European cities don't have populations that own properties it seems. Most people rent, so the economy isn't as gloomy. In Holland, if you're offered fewer hours, it's likely it will only hit your savings account, rather then your rent/living.

It's the same as here, just shop in lidl instead (unless you've a hefty mortgage)